Nalod wrote:Back to Kat on Defense.........Adderal?
He holds blame but his offensive and rebound numbers are really really good.
I'd rather put energy into rooting for him to get his head right or medicate it so he can at least be in the team concept. He is a good dude and likable.

Im thinking perhaps Dolan can hire Oak and basically hold Kats girlfriend and for every time Kat blows an assignment he cuts off a small part of her pinky. "Drop Back KAT and see what happens". Kat makes all Defense team!!!!

I don't think in his 10/11th year he can all of the sudden learn how to be a defensive guy. You have it or you don't. You can have it internally and lack the skills/understanding but there is a desire and effort that needs to be there. I just don't see it and haven't for his entire career. He is amazing offensively and rebounds well - but he just doesn't have that instinct to take it personally when he gets scored on or blows coverage. His body language, comments and response to physicality says it all.

Philc1 wrote:Trading for Durant = closing the window

This doesn’t really make sense to me. Do you expect Towns to be here beyond his contract and ink another extension with us?

If not then the window is exactly the same.

As these big contracts get close to expiring and our picks get close to replenishing that’s when we retool either by positioning ourselves to have cap space or by make trades to extend the window. We are working in 2-3 year periods now. None of these guys besides Brunson should be projected to be here for 6-8 years.

Dragon wrote:We have a very good team, inspite of all the craziness, we reached the East finals. we just need them to have better communication and better bench and I think we are good to go. JB and KAT should be having intensive defence training, neither will be DPOY, but we don't want them to be, just be little bit better on Defence

The anti-KAT stuff is really out of control. Did he make dumb mental mistakes? Yes but he’s a very good player in the prime of his career at 29. Got us within two wins of the Finals.

Philc1 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Trading for Durant = closing the window

This doesn’t really make sense to me. Do you expect Towns to be here beyond his contract and ink another extension with us?

If not then the window is exactly the same.

As these big contracts get close to expiring and our picks get close to replenishing that’s when we retool either by positioning ourselves to have cap space or by make trades to extend the window. We are working in 2-3 year periods now. None of these guys besides Brunson should be projected to be here for 6-8 years.

Durant will be 37 beginning of next season and is a documented cancer. He will get Thibs fired within 6 months of hitting ground and I doubt he and the Nova clique will get along. Yes I’d much rather extend towns who is 29.

Knicks have 3 years left in this window. Keep KAT.

plus why are we assuming KAT here for only 3 years. The way he plays can age well. We're not talking Ja Morant

And why is it harder to think KAT can get better at defense (either with a personal adjustment or scheme adjustment) than it is to get Durant to not be chemistry killer.

I'd like to keep KAT. He's smart and has his head screwed on straight, but if we don't let's avoid 37 year old Divas

ToddTT wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Trading for Durant = closing the window

This doesn’t really make sense to me. Do you expect Towns to be here beyond his contract and ink another extension with us?

If not then the window is exactly the same.

As these big contracts get close to expiring and our picks get close to replenishing that’s when we retool either by positioning ourselves to have cap space or by make trades to extend the window. We are working in 2-3 year periods now. None of these guys besides Brunson should be projected to be here for 6-8 years.

Durant will be 37 beginning of next season and is a documented cancer. He will get Thibs fired within 6 months of hitting ground and I doubt he and the Nova clique will get along. Yes I’d much rather extend towns who is 29.

Knicks have 3 years left in this window. Keep KAT.

plus why are we assuming KAT here for only 3 years. The way he plays can age well. We're not talking Ja Morant

And why is it harder to think KAT can get better at defense (either with a personal adjustment or scheme adjustment) than it is to get Durant to not be chemistry killer.

I'd like to keep KAT. He's smart and has his head screwed on straight, but if we don't let's avoid 37 year old Divas

KAT is 29. His knees are 79.

BTW… KD in orange and blue would mark the day I stop watching Knicks basketball.

No mention of stopping the cheerleader pics, so we good

Knicks approached it from a different way, with 3 great wing defenders around him. It was pretty clear by January that this wasn't working, and you saw Thibs increasingly turning to the Robinson/ KAT pairing during the playoffs. Those lineups didn't have defensive problems.

I'm still going back to the coaching here. Rose gave Thibs a great roster! Between Hukporti, Achiuwa, and two halves of Sims and Robinson, there was plenty of opportunity to try out the two big lineup and more importantly develop some other play styles.

Indiana wasn't an unsolvable offense. Robinson, Wright, Hart, Deuce, and Shamet were able to solve them. There's no way you're telling me that a Brunson, Deuce, Bridges, OG, and Hukporti lineup couldn't have similar success.

The issue has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with coaching. Whenever Knicks were in a rut, Thibs would trot out the Brunson, Hart MB, OG, KAT lineup. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't but there was a ton of data showing that it no way was this a lineup other teams should fear. It was average.

This has been the case with Thibs for years. There were 3 years of data showing IQ was a +/- god. Same with Deuce this year. I love Thibs, he's a great coach. He got a ton out of players but now it's time to move on.

I think Brunson - Mikal - OG - Durant - Mitch would be frontrunner to win the East next year by a large margin the minute that lineup is solidified.

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:We generally have a 3 yr window with this core- till 27/28. Thats when the OG/Brunson player options kick in. KAT has a player option the year before (he will likely pick that up) and Josh has a team option (we would likely pick that up assuming his level of play is the same as the contract would be under market) and if that happens, those guys have another year past that on the cap...and Mikal's extension may take him till then as well.

My read on it at a glance was that 2028 offseason is when the cap will open up significantly. And you could probably get to significant cap space a year early if you traded KAT for a KD and set that up for basically a 2 year run. So basically you could set up KD for a 2 year window before getting some flexibility, and staying the course gives us a 3 year window before getting some flexibility. And it seems we prudently set it up so we could give Brunson his next deal the year AFTER that post-KAT offseason. So basically load up again on FAs and then re-sign Brunson after you have used all your cap space.

Knicks need to extend Brock Aller NOW

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:We generally have a 3 yr window with this core- till 27/28. Thats when the OG/Brunson player options kick in. KAT has a player option the year before (he will likely pick that up) and Josh has a team option (we would likely pick that up assuming his level of play is the same as the contract would be under market) and if that happens, those guys have another year past that on the cap...and Mikal's extension may take him till then as well.

My read on it at a glance was that 2028 offseason is when the cap will open up significantly. And you could probably get to significant cap space a year early if you traded KAT for a KD and set that up for basically a 2 year run. So basically you could set up KD for a 2 year window before getting some flexibility, and staying the course gives us a 3 year window before getting some flexibility. And it seems we prudently set it up so we could give Brunson his next deal the year AFTER that post-KAT offseason. So basically load up again on FAs and then re-sign Brunson after you have used all your cap space.

I don't think cap space is useful with the current CBA. As long as Brunson is here the Knicks shouldn't be targeting free agency.