gradyandrew wrote:

Nalod wrote:
First off I am not predicting who will win. I stated that.
This country has a lot emotionally unintelligent voters.
Im not looking to have a discussion. Thus I respect your opinion as the one you have and not looking to debate trumps validity.
That Fox News is the leader in ratings demonstrates the illiteracy in this country. ATLAS polls are pretty accurate but that is information based on current numbers. I never debated that Trump has a bit more momentum now. Trump cult followers like to tilt and debate with little regard to context. Trump himself makes up a lot of stuff and embellishes all the time. We all see it. You do also but he serves your values so you ignore it. Harris is not a perfect candidate to me nor does she check all my boxes. But its what we got and in my view she better represents what I want.
No debate. Im not changing your mind. I think Trump is a sorry sack of ****. You don't. His rap sheet speaks for itself. Trump cult is idol worship. He incites the worst in us.

January 6th.
Charlottesville, Virginia
34 felonies
Bank/tax fraud
"Covid will go away like magic"
Putin love

One can go on and on but that short list is it for me. Fanboys buy his rhetoric that he is a victim. No debating this if thats what you believe. Sorry if my view puts you in with he deplorable. I want to believe most conservative voters are not fanboys of this cult. Thats its a religious thing, or a financial thing and he serves their needs. I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders views on politics nor Elizabeth Warrens policies. But then are well intended. AOC? Not a fan of her policies. But they are not ignorant backward power grabbing morons pandering to the lowest who buy into conspiracies.
I see too much racism and antisemitic rhetoric and the seeds of fascism being planted. For that there is little to debate.

The polls do show Trump ahead. Im well aware.

If you're not looking for a discussion, why are you posting here? I think we have built up s certain amount of mutual respect over our shared love for the Knicks that we can exchange our views honestly without doubting peoples intentions.

Harris has out fund raised Trump 2-1. Trump said at ap debate Haitian immigrants are eating dogs and cats. If Knicks lose to the Nets. I'm not getting pissed at Cam Thomas because he had a good game.

Im venting I suppose. Only post on the UK btw.

Polls I follow: https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model

Nate says its too close to call. The poll you cited has been around only 6 years. They picked the 2020 election. Fox tells you its accurate and make you happy.
They might be correct.
Really the polls margin of error is too thin which is why Nate says its too close to cal

Post hear so perhaps others understand why I vote as I do. I was a registered Republican until 2016 but really voted both ways. I changed to independent as the mail I was getting was crazy.
McCain had my vote until he picked Sarah Palin. He was way down in the polls but I liked him. Same for Romney. Moderates with a track record.

When I see a trump MAGA Head I see someone who is in need of hope and is clinging to a false prophet. Someone who does grabs the American Ideal as white privilege. Understand he has made strides with black men and Latin Americans. The Democratic party has not spoken for a lot of people. My take is trump did not help them 4 years ago and I have my doubts he will going forward. He panders to the unempowered and appeals to their lack of self esteem.
Climate change is bad. science is bad. EV are bad. Medicine is bad. Weather is bad. etc. Things you can't control and thus must be a conspiracy behind it.
Why is Marjorie Taylor Green in congress? Jewish Laser's? Jews/Gov't control weather? For real?

Bottom line is every president on either side had dogs in the white house. Not Trump.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Nalod wrote:
First off I am not predicting who will win. I stated that.
This country has a lot emotionally unintelligent voters.
Im not looking to have a discussion. Thus I respect your opinion as the one you have and not looking to debate trumps validity.
That Fox News is the leader in ratings demonstrates the illiteracy in this country. ATLAS polls are pretty accurate but that is information based on current numbers. I never debated that Trump has a bit more momentum now. Trump cult followers like to tilt and debate with little regard to context. Trump himself makes up a lot of stuff and embellishes all the time. We all see it. You do also but he serves your values so you ignore it. Harris is not a perfect candidate to me nor does she check all my boxes. But its what we got and in my view she better represents what I want.
No debate. Im not changing your mind. I think Trump is a sorry sack of ****. You don't. His rap sheet speaks for itself. Trump cult is idol worship. He incites the worst in us.

January 6th.
Charlottesville, Virginia
34 felonies
Bank/tax fraud
"Covid will go away like magic"
Putin love

One can go on and on but that short list is it for me. Fanboys buy his rhetoric that he is a victim. No debating this if thats what you believe. Sorry if my view puts you in with he deplorable. I want to believe most conservative voters are not fanboys of this cult. Thats its a religious thing, or a financial thing and he serves their needs. I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders views on politics nor Elizabeth Warrens policies. But then are well intended. AOC? Not a fan of her policies. But they are not ignorant backward power grabbing morons pandering to the lowest who buy into conspiracies.
I see too much racism and antisemitic rhetoric and the seeds of fascism being planted. For that there is little to debate.

The polls do show Trump ahead. Im well aware.

If you're not looking for a discussion, why are you posting here? I think we have built up s certain amount of mutual respect over our shared love for the Knicks that we can exchange our views honestly without doubting peoples intentions.

Harris has out fund raised Trump 2-1. Trump said at ap debate Haitian immigrants are eating dogs and cats. If Knicks lose to the Nets. I'm not getting pissed at Cam Thomas because he had a good game.

Im venting I suppose. Only post on the UK btw.

Polls I follow: https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model

Nate says its too close to call. The poll you cited has been around only 6 years. They picked the 2020 election. Fox tells you its accurate and make you happy.
They might be correct.
Really the polls margin of error is too thin which is why Nate says its too close to cal

Post hear so perhaps others understand why I vote as I do. I was a registered Republican until 2016 but really voted both ways. I changed to independent as the mail I was getting was crazy.
McCain had my vote until he picked Sarah Palin. He was way down in the polls but I liked him. Same for Romney. Moderates with a track record.

When I see a trump MAGA Head I see someone who is in need of hope and is clinging to a false prophet. Someone who does grabs the American Ideal as white privilege. Understand he has made strides with black men and Latin Americans. The Democratic party has not spoken for a lot of people. My take is trump did not help them 4 years ago and I have my doubts he will going forward. He panders to the unempowered and appeals to their lack of self esteem.
Climate change is bad. science is bad. EV are bad. Medicine is bad. Weather is bad. etc. Things you can't control and thus must be a conspiracy behind it.
Why is Marjorie Taylor Green in congress? Jewish Laser's? Jews/Gov't control weather? For real?

Bottom line is every president on either side had dogs in the white house. Not Trump.

Many keep saying, as I did, that we are voting for Biden/Harris because Trump is such a piece of ****! Pretty good reason.
However, the far right talking point has even us fooled. Meaning that Biden/Harris has run this country into drug addicted homeless migrants and addicts. Yea, that exists but we have many areas and towns that are better than they were and flourishing.
Trumpers will point to what Trumps says. That the country is a crime infested, homeless populated country in financial shambles. We are not.
I am now voting for Harris because of the Biden Harris record.
Best stock market in history.
Lower crime rates than with Trump pre Covid.
Gas prices down to $2.69 a gallon. If Trump was in office Trumpers would falsely claim it was all because of him. But hey, will use that logic despite what I know about micro and macro influences.
Unemployment rate at record lows.
Recession averted despite high inflation rates and free covid Trump
Money.
Just about every medium size city is prospering and has had growth and an increase in per capita income.
Our homes are worth more than ever.
Biden/Harris were the first to put together a bi partisan immigration bill. Which his majesty forced his stooges to reject. Can’t have the only platform he is running on improve.
Live in Tampa and in NYC. Tampa is booming and people have very good paying jobs, good schools and paradise for average weather. Minus hurricanes.
NYC is going through its life long cycle of increased crime and continued high cost of living.
Remember in the 80’s when everyone that had money moved out. Then moved back in the late 90’s.
Travel across the nation. There is no longer an “up and coming city “. They all came.
Are there problems? Absolutely!! But not the **** hole Trump wants everyone to believe it is.

Then you have people that can’t understand why their opinion is not fact. Same guys that will try to convince you why you should not be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, gay or straight.

Politics is an opinion. We have elections. Trump being a piece of **** grifter is not an opinion. It’s a fact.
He found out that the most lucrative business in the world is politics and misinformation.
I believe he would rather lose though.
Another fight the steal campaign where he raises billions and spends a few thousand in legal fees filing fake suits is the best business he has ever known.

Just a couple of quick clarifications. A lot of this is due to where you get your information For instance:

The Biden administration will release unemployment numbers before they are finalized. Two weeks later when they are finalized the sources that you get your information from will NOT report that unemployment is not 2.6% as initially reported but 4.6% and that the majority of the jobs created were by adding government jobs and not private sector jobs. The stock market will also predictably react to both sets of numbers.

The crime numbers were also released when they were incomplete and the sources that you get your information from did not tell you that they did not include large Democratic Cities like NYC or Chicago. So when the missing information is added for major crime riddled cities you find that the crime rate went up and not down and also predictably the murder rate went up and not down. The news source that you get your information from will not report the updated and accurate national numbers.

When people started returning to NYC in the 90's it was because everyone got so tired of the quality of life under Democratic Mayors that they actually elected a Republican Mayor. His name was Rudy Giuliani, you've probably heard of him but might only be old enough to know him from the clown show he turned into later in life. Back in the 90's he cleaned NYC up and started the turn around of Times Square clearing out all the porn and crime. He made NYC safe and brought back tourism.

These are just a few examples but you get my point. The numbers are being manipulated to control a narrative.

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Nalod wrote:
First off I am not predicting who will win. I stated that.
This country has a lot emotionally unintelligent voters.
Im not looking to have a discussion. Thus I respect your opinion as the one you have and not looking to debate trumps validity.
That Fox News is the leader in ratings demonstrates the illiteracy in this country. ATLAS polls are pretty accurate but that is information based on current numbers. I never debated that Trump has a bit more momentum now. Trump cult followers like to tilt and debate with little regard to context. Trump himself makes up a lot of stuff and embellishes all the time. We all see it. You do also but he serves your values so you ignore it. Harris is not a perfect candidate to me nor does she check all my boxes. But its what we got and in my view she better represents what I want.
No debate. Im not changing your mind. I think Trump is a sorry sack of ****. You don't. His rap sheet speaks for itself. Trump cult is idol worship. He incites the worst in us.

January 6th.
Charlottesville, Virginia
34 felonies
Bank/tax fraud
"Covid will go away like magic"
Putin love

One can go on and on but that short list is it for me. Fanboys buy his rhetoric that he is a victim. No debating this if thats what you believe. Sorry if my view puts you in with he deplorable. I want to believe most conservative voters are not fanboys of this cult. Thats its a religious thing, or a financial thing and he serves their needs. I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders views on politics nor Elizabeth Warrens policies. But then are well intended. AOC? Not a fan of her policies. But they are not ignorant backward power grabbing morons pandering to the lowest who buy into conspiracies.
I see too much racism and antisemitic rhetoric and the seeds of fascism being planted. For that there is little to debate.

The polls do show Trump ahead. Im well aware.

If you're not looking for a discussion, why are you posting here? I think we have built up s certain amount of mutual respect over our shared love for the Knicks that we can exchange our views honestly without doubting peoples intentions.

Harris has out fund raised Trump 2-1. Trump said at ap debate Haitian immigrants are eating dogs and cats. If Knicks lose to the Nets. I'm not getting pissed at Cam Thomas because he had a good game.

Im venting I suppose. Only post on the UK btw.

Polls I follow: https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model

Nate says its too close to call. The poll you cited has been around only 6 years. They picked the 2020 election. Fox tells you its accurate and make you happy.
They might be correct.
Really the polls margin of error is too thin which is why Nate says its too close to cal

Post hear so perhaps others understand why I vote as I do. I was a registered Republican until 2016 but really voted both ways. I changed to independent as the mail I was getting was crazy.
McCain had my vote until he picked Sarah Palin. He was way down in the polls but I liked him. Same for Romney. Moderates with a track record.

When I see a trump MAGA Head I see someone who is in need of hope and is clinging to a false prophet. Someone who does grabs the American Ideal as white privilege. Understand he has made strides with black men and Latin Americans. The Democratic party has not spoken for a lot of people. My take is trump did not help them 4 years ago and I have my doubts he will going forward. He panders to the unempowered and appeals to their lack of self esteem.
Climate change is bad. science is bad. EV are bad. Medicine is bad. Weather is bad. etc. Things you can't control and thus must be a conspiracy behind it.
Why is Marjorie Taylor Green in congress? Jewish Laser's? Jews/Gov't control weather? For real?

Bottom line is every president on either side had dogs in the white house. Not Trump.

Many keep saying, as I did, that we are voting for Biden/Harris because Trump is such a piece of ****! Pretty good reason.
However, the far right talking point has even us fooled. Meaning that Biden/Harris has run this country into drug addicted homeless migrants and addicts. Yea, that exists but we have many areas and towns that are better than they were and flourishing.
Trumpers will point to what Trumps says. That the country is a crime infested, homeless populated country in financial shambles. We are not.
I am now voting for Harris because of the Biden Harris record.
Best stock market in history.
Lower crime rates than with Trump pre Covid.
Gas prices down to $2.69 a gallon. If Trump was in office Trumpers would falsely claim it was all because of him. But hey, will use that logic despite what I know about micro and macro influences.
Unemployment rate at record lows.
Recession averted despite high inflation rates and free covid Trump
Money.
Just about every medium size city is prospering and has had growth and an increase in per capita income.
Our homes are worth more than ever.
Biden/Harris were the first to put together a bi partisan immigration bill. Which his majesty forced his stooges to reject. Can’t have the only platform he is running on improve.
Live in Tampa and in NYC. Tampa is booming and people have very good paying jobs, good schools and paradise for average weather. Minus hurricanes.
NYC is going through its life long cycle of increased crime and continued high cost of living.
Remember in the 80’s when everyone that had money moved out. Then moved back in the late 90’s.
Travel across the nation. There is no longer an “up and coming city “. They all came.
Are there problems? Absolutely!! But not the **** hole Trump wants everyone to believe it is.

Then you have people that can’t understand why their opinion is not fact. Same guys that will try to convince you why you should not be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, gay or straight.

Politics is an opinion. We have elections. Trump being a piece of **** grifter is not an opinion. It’s a fact.
He found out that the most lucrative business in the world is politics and misinformation.
I believe he would rather lose though.
Another fight the steal campaign where he raises billions and spends a few thousand in legal fees filing fake suits is the best business he has ever known.

Just a couple of quick clarifications. A lot of this is due to where you get your information For instance:

The Biden administration will release unemployment numbers before they are finalized. Two weeks later when they are finalized the sources that you get your information from will NOT report that unemployment is not 2.6% as initially reported but 4.6% and that the majority of the jobs created were by adding government jobs and not private sector jobs. The stock market will also predictably react to both sets of numbers.

The crime numbers were also released when they were incomplete and the sources that you get your information from did not tell you that they did not include large Democratic Cities like NYC or Chicago. So when the missing information is added for major crime riddled cities you find that the crime rate went up and not down and also predictably the murder rate went up and not down. The news source that you get your information from will not report the updated and accurate national numbers.

When people started returning to NYC in the 90's it was because everyone got so tired of the quality of life under Democratic Mayors that they actually elected a Republican Mayor. His name was Rudy Giuliani, you've probably heard of him but might only be old enough to know him from the clown show he turned into later in life. Back in the 90's he cleaned NYC up and started the turn around of Times Square clearing out all the porn and crime. He made NYC safe and brought back tourism.

These are just a few examples but you get my point. The numbers are being manipulated to control a narrative.

Giuliani got all the credit but it was really his police commissioner William Bratton who did all the work. Giuliani knew people were starting to understand Bratton did everything for him so he got rid of Bratton now Bratton works as a contractor being hired by cities throughout the US to do what he did in New York. Bratton is the Pat Riley of police commissioners.

Rudy Giuliani was always a clown show you are just seeing him now with Bratton doing everything for him it’s like Belichick without Brady or Phil Jackson with Michael Jordan, Kobe and Shaq

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:The last time the Dems put up a progressive candidate they won five presidential elections in a row and a coalition that stood strong for 40 years. This isn't rocket science. Tax the **** out of the rich and build up the working class. That's what America wants.

How do you tax the **** out of the rich when those same representatives of the voters that keep getting gerrymandering into elected positions actually then don't vote for what their voters actually want?

Cause it's not the voters who are making those things not happen.

You dig?

Yeah man, I remember 2009 as well. And I remember Barry's victory lap at the 2014 White house correspondents dinner when he and Seth Meyers decided to invite and dunk on Trump.

There a lots of instances in life where all of us are not wrong, does not mean it was right.

Know the difference, or that it even exists.

My opinion is that Obama was elected with a once in a generation mandate for change and instead sold out for that sweet, sweet corporate money. You see how Trump has remade the republican party in his image. Instead, Barry was back to business as usual by summer of 2009.

gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:The last time the Dems put up a progressive candidate they won five presidential elections in a row and a coalition that stood strong for 40 years. This isn't rocket science. Tax the **** out of the rich and build up the working class. That's what America wants.

How do you tax the **** out of the rich when those same representatives of the voters that keep getting gerrymandering into elected positions actually then don't vote for what their voters actually want?

Cause it's not the voters who are making those things not happen.

You dig?

Yeah man, I remember 2009 as well. And I remember Barry's victory lap at the 2014 White house correspondents dinner when he and Seth Meyers decided to invite and dunk on Trump.

There a lots of instances in life where all of us are not wrong, does not mean it was right.

Know the difference, or that it even exists.

My opinion is that Obama was elected with a once in a generation mandate for change and instead sold out for that sweet, sweet corporate money. You see how Trump has remade the republican party in his image. Instead, Barry was back to business as usual by summer of 2009.

Obama inherited 2 wars and a recession from the republicans. What was he supposed to do? Universal healthcare? Obamacare was actually capitalist and yet it still was attacked by the corporate media and republicans as socialized medicine. Let me guess? Obama would institute UBI? Abolish the police? He inherited a disaster from Bush and still had a country to manage and he still being smeared by republicans and the media as being a communist when he governed like a mainstream democrat

gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:The last time the Dems put up a progressive candidate they won five presidential elections in a row and a coalition that stood strong for 40 years. This isn't rocket science. Tax the **** out of the rich and build up the working class. That's what America wants.

How do you tax the **** out of the rich when those same representatives of the voters that keep getting gerrymandering into elected positions actually then don't vote for what their voters actually want?

Cause it's not the voters who are making those things not happen.

You dig?

Yeah man, I remember 2009 as well. And I remember Barry's victory lap at the 2014 White house correspondents dinner when he and Seth Meyers decided to invite and dunk on Trump.

There a lots of instances in life where all of us are not wrong, does not mean it was right.

Know the difference, or that it even exists.

My opinion is that Obama was elected with a once in a generation mandate for change and instead sold out for that sweet, sweet corporate money. You see how Trump has remade the republican party in his image. Instead, Barry was back to business as usual by summer of 2009.

Your opinion extends to making note of how long lines are at a McDonald's where Trump was taking in a photo op to gauge something about popularity.

After that, people stop reading your opinions with any relevance. That's how that works.

gradyandrew wrote:You lost me martin. You're saying crowd size has no relation to popularity and enthusiasm?

No. Stop staring at illusionary pictures of nothing and drawing conclusions.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:I read it like this: NY Times is somehow gravitating towards the same themes that Fox News started back in 2015.

Same with Wash Post and you heard the Opinion debacle over at the LA Times over the last 48 hours.

This is all very strange. Or not.

Nalod wrote:NY Times "The Daily" has a good podcast this morning as to why younger men are gravitating to Trump.
Men are not making enough money and they are not able to fill the stereotype that was their father or grandfather. Go work, get a pension, and retire. The american middle class was easy post World War 2 and the boom of demand. Mom stayed at home and took care of the kids, dad went to work and felt like a man!!!
The publication cites young men think cutting corp taxes would create more jobs and bring some of that back. That did not really work in his first administration. He cut taxes but the jobs did not come as expected. Trickle down theory we all hope for.
Tarrifs could do that but its so inflationary and will take a long time to accomplish.
Men want to feel like men. Women are outperforming in school and and making great strides in the workforce. Cold reality is if migrant workers with little language and technical skills are taking your job you need to think about retraining yourself. When Hilary said that she was vilified.
Remember inflation in post ww1 germany drove men to low self esteem and Nazi gave them hope. Bully the educated, dehumanize non Aryan's and blame the German citizens that were Jewish for their problems. It was "Patriotic" to do so. When leadership promotes immoral activity in it becomes "patriotic". sound familar? Nazi's had great uniforms that bully's could wear with pride and feel good about themselves.
White men entitlement is threatened. Trump misogamy speaks to this. His fear mongering about immigrants is an age old tactic we have used over and over. Assign blame is necessary.
So when generals and other former staffers say he is a "fascist" this is in part what they are talking about. He will go for media, create enemies, and divide us so he can consolidate his power. Sociopaths think only of themselves. The vacuum he creates feeds the insecure white male. You need guns. You need to be part of something that soothes and feeds your self esteem. Hating on the educated is part of this. creating conspiracy to hate on things you don't understand so its has to be deliberate. "Deep State" or our ring leader of all things including the weather on George Soros! Fox news feeds this.
Not saying all trump supporters BTW. But enough to tip the balance. Unfortunately we all learn from mistakes. Lets hope Trump is one that is not elected and if so may it not be all I fear!

You suggesting using Fox tactics to incite fear? The LA Times "Editorial: Election denialism could spark violence after a close race" Op-Ed" as example?

I am suggesting that participation at the ownership level of those media outlets is propagating something that is not as independent as one would expect.

Who is the LA Times endorsing this election? And why haven't they? The paper that is based out of Kamala country? Who is that owner?