martin wrote:One man's thought process, Thread

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Yea, I follow this guy and like some of his opinions. I also like that he says it and does not worry about peoples feelings. I see all his points and mostly agree. The only trade for Mitchell I would do is one for picks and none of the main young players. My reasoning is that I believe the young will grow into the quality role players we would need. Actually the last season it was them holding our team up from completely bottoming out. Every game it seemed like the starters would be down by at least 10 for the bench to bring us back into it. Can you imagine the record jump if the starters could actually win their matchup every now and then?

If we trade both picks and young players we will be thinned out with no way to build our roster. No pick, no cap space and no bench. We would be like the Lakers taking on old past their prime players on one year deals. The problem would be we would have Brunson and Mitchell instead of Lebron and AD. So no chance at a title. If after a Mitchel trade our bench includes Grimes, Quick and Obi I would be willing to role with that team. Mitchell and Brunson alone would drastically improve our Starters. The lone problem being Randle and how he fits. That is a topic for another day. One good thing about Randle is he is a hard worker. Hopefully he is working on his shot and not being ball dominant.

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Embarrassing stuff, some of these bball writers are an absolute disgrace, what did Ainge do to inspire such servitude?!

Yeah, as much as this board craps on Fournier, his deal is still much better than Robinson's. Fournier has a team option next season and would be easier to flip if desired. Also a better player, though that would be detrimental to a tank. Herro is off the table because of his upcoming extension.. Even if the Heat managed to flip Herro for picks (which would be protected) the Knicks could still trump that deal. This is Danny using his influence to try and pressure the Knicks. But the leverage isn't there. The teams who could legitimately offer a better deal aren't interested.

nycdan wrote:A fun outcome would be Ainge not being able to make any trade and Mitchell plays well enough to win them 30+ games and cost him a high lottery pick. In fact, watch Ainge start getting desperate to move Mitchell out if that starts to happen.

I was thinking the same thing, Mitchell is a nice guy and wont dirty his image with the Jazz. This trade drama is so exhausting iv lost interest, would rather keep the young line up and see how it does with Jalen. Anyway, what if Mitchell makes a bold statement like he vows to carry what ever team he is in straight to the playoffs. His image still intact but i think Danny A's leverage can take a hit.

Help the knicks out, Mitchell. This is taking way too long to happen.

nycdan wrote:A fun outcome would be Ainge not being able to make any trade and Mitchell plays well enough to win them 30+ games and cost him a high lottery pick. In fact, watch Ainge start getting desperate to move Mitchell out if that starts to happen.

I don't know about 50 win season but I believe Utah is still good enough to make the western playoffs as currently constructed

Kemet wrote:The real question is .. why are Ainge turning a 5 year 50 win season Jazz team into a 25 to 30 win season team ???

I believe Brunson will have a hard time his first season as a Knicks trying to keep the ball out of Randles hands.
I too, don't believe D.Mitchell and Randle will fit well in a lineup.
Every time Randle grab a defensive rebound he dribble (walk) the ball down court. Why?
Randle's passing skills the past 3 seasons lead to 4 to 6 turnovers.
Plus, Brunson & D.Mitchell will never be able to push the ball when Randle rebounds.

Brunson and Randle can probably coexist. No way D-Mitch, Brunson and Randle all 3 can coexist. Too many primary ball handlers on the court together

I hope enjoys getting fleeced at the deadline next February

As for Knick Karma, or anything in the past thats stuff of superstition and cop outs. I said this years ago:”change the decision making process and you change the outcome. If you want to increase “luck” you have to increase opportunity”. Nothing special there, just logical basic stuff. Granted, Post Isiah/Grunwald we did change but did not execute. As often noted, PHil only had 2 of four of our picks. KP and Frank. He was hired and fired. Mills was not here long enough to effect change and if he wanted to leverage it up then he was fired for it. Leon walked in redid the organization both FO and coaches. WE develope now for on court and as trade fodder. This is a very different take.

Randle under Fiz was not so great, but neither was fiz. Under Thibs he was all NBA. Last year was phuched up. Randle was very uneven as was the whole team. Leon and CO was genius year one but hardly year two. Obviously Kemba was a placeholder for Brunson that did not work. We installed Burks then panic and do something stupid. That is a new twist. Patience!! Grow IQ, and we let RJ have run of the house and he excelled.

I see risks on both sides of doing a big trade for DM. I get why Utah wants to do it and this is our time to spend on a luxury item like DM. There are reverberations to such trades. Such as are we to pay RJ or do we test his value and trade him for picks in return?

The current mania in the NBA is to trade picks. One can say hold on or keep turning over the value until Milwaukee needs to move Giannis and do a teardown in a year or so?

There are 100 thoughts/combos of scenarios to consider besides DM. What is the right thing to do or what will Dolan instruct his president to persue?

Right or wrong, Dolan can tell Leon what to do and its his team.

GustavBahler wrote:Randle had games where he was dishing out double-digit assists. Doubled his assist total with 5 extra minutes pgm from the previous season. One big reason for the improvement. Was instead of Randle grabbing a rebound, and trying to do a one on five fastbreak, and turning the ball over. He would grab a rebound, and set up his teammates.

If Randle has the rebound, and wants to lead the break. Kick it out for a 3, dish it to Brunson/RJ for the finish. Im all for it. Cant really play uptempo, if you always have to let the PG touch the ball first.

Not to say I want Randle running the point, but I also want him to have the green light to lead the break from time to time. Randle has shown he can do it well, when he isnt walking the ball upcourt. Like he did for most of last season.

Wait, what? Randle leading a fast break is something that never happened. We are one of the slowest teams in the league with Randle and Robinson. He walks the ball up. I have rarely ever seen Randle run or play with pace.

nycdan wrote:A fun outcome would be Ainge not being able to make any trade and Mitchell plays well enough to win them 30+ games and cost him a high lottery pick. In fact, watch Ainge start getting desperate to move Mitchell out if that starts to happen.

I'm actually hoping he becomes a malcontent and hurts his open market value. I don't know why anyone deals with Ainge, he should be out of the league the way he operates. If he calls, a team should just hang up, no one should transact with him.