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SergioNYK
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6/6/2022  3:00 PM

I like this kid and is 2nd on my list after Mathurin.
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6/6/2022  3:08 PM
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Regarding Malakai i am intrigued by guys who can shoot but very suspicious of OSU. Long history of players not translating to NBA well-- many under-performing expectations

i am equally mindful that if we pass on him he is destined to become a superstar

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6/6/2022  3:17 PM
Chandler wrote:
martin wrote:

Regarding Malakai i am intrigued by guys who can shoot but very suspicious of OSU. Long history of players not translating to NBA well-- many under-performing expectations

i am equally mindful that if we pass on him he is destined to become a superstar

I don't watch college at all... What is Malaki doing that Grimes is not? And we know Grimes plays good D and can hit from distance.

Just seems to me that there are a ton of kids in the 15-30 range that may be able to do exactly the same things Malaki can do while offering some defense.

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6/6/2022  3:39 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:
martin wrote:

Regarding Malakai i am intrigued by guys who can shoot but very suspicious of OSU. Long history of players not translating to NBA well-- many under-performing expectations

i am equally mindful that if we pass on him he is destined to become a superstar

I don't watch college at all... What is Malaki doing that Grimes is not? And we know Grimes plays good D and can hit from distance.

Just seems to me that there are a ton of kids in the 15-30 range that may be able to do exactly the same things Malaki can do while offering some defense.

I don't watch much college basketball either. I think the one knock on Grimes at the moment is he's 3 & D, and not a lot after that. I've seen reference to Malakai and midrange so maybe they thing he's a bit more fluid and can create a shot. I'd steer clear

at the moment, i think there has to be a deal with Dallas. As much as they like Brunson it's a luxury they can't afford given their lack of a decent center, anchor for D. How can they justify allocating 20 mill or whatever to a secondary ball handler.

On the flip side, i love Mitch but Knicks are in a similar position. they needs a true, dynamic pg. it's tough to see how they rationalize given him 15-20+ when they need a pg

Don't know exactly how the mechanics woudl work but it seems we should get Jalen and then draft the Memphis center, Dallas should get mithc and draft a secondary ball handler

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6/6/2022  4:46 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:
martin wrote:

Regarding Malakai i am intrigued by guys who can shoot but very suspicious of OSU. Long history of players not translating to NBA well-- many under-performing expectations

i am equally mindful that if we pass on him he is destined to become a superstar

I don't watch college at all... What is Malaki doing that Grimes is not? And we know Grimes plays good D and can hit from distance.

Just seems to me that there are a ton of kids in the 15-30 range that may be able to do exactly the same things Malaki can do while offering some defense.

Malachi can run the PnR and create for himself in the midrange. Given his youth, it's not out of the question that he will turn into a legit secondary playmaker. Grimes shouldn't really factor into this pick. Trash teams like the Knicks should go with the BPA. Not saying it will be Branham, but it's a possibility. I'd like Daniels, but chances are he won't be there when the Knicks pick. I'm still high on Sochon and Eason, tho their stocks seem to have taken a bit of a hit of late. I wouldn't mind trading down, but what team is out there to make deal with this draft? Charlotte seems unlikely to trade their picks. You suggesting the Knicks trade down and grab a first this year and some future assets?

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6/6/2022  4:47 PM
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Stevo718 wrote:Gimme TyTy Washington… he’s young and I know that injury turned a lot of people off but he probably didn’t fully heal. This guy has the winning mentality and has nice speed and passing, a good shot and a nice little step back. Think he would be great on the Knicks. Don’t know why everyone passing on him. I don’t like Dyson I think he’s too slow don’t like Malaki he’s nothing special Sochan is okay but I don’t see star potential in him, I think TyTY will be better than any of those guys. I like Manthirin but he won’t be available, and I’d rather keep TYTy and not draft up. And save our resources for some other trade.

I know there’s not much love for TyTy in the Knicks universe, but looking at the players who are projected to be there when we pick (Sochan, Branham, Duren, Agbaji, Eason) I don’t see where any of them are any more of a sure thing or have a better looking “floor” or “ceiling” as they say. And TyTy plays the position we’ve been biotching about as long as I’ve been on this board (and longer). I hear he’s too much like Quickley but is that a bad thing?

It’s not that I’m certain about anything here and I maybe would lean towards Eason. Maybe someone falls who we really want. But if we picked TyTy I’d be good with it and excited to see how it plays out. And then get the mop for all the pants wetting.


TyTy is kinda redundant to IQ, which wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a bunch of two guards on the roster. Im not sure Ty is a real "point," and I think there are several guys with ceilings. TyTy is probably a third guard off the bench if he reaches ceiling. The guys you mentioned (with the exception of maybe Again) have the potential to be high level starters. I'd be good with TyTy if the Knicks traded down and maximized the value of their pick. But TyTy as #11 is a reach.

I’d rather Ty than some of the other mediocre wing players people keep drooling over. I thought the people who knew everything hated Frank- so why do they want Frank 2.0 and 3.0?


At least Ty might solve the pg problem tho I prefer Kennedy


You don't reach on a player just to fill a position a need. You can argue that's how the Knicks ended up with Frank in the first place. The reality is that the player the Knicks pick at 11 likely isn't going to help push them in the playoffs. TyTy is nice, but very few draft analysts have him going that high. If you like him that much, then just trade down and get another asset Also, you need to watch more Dyson tape. I don't think he's point guard, but that dude has no hesitation getting into the paint. He's a lot more aggressive than Frank was.


Dennis Smith Jr and Donovan Mitchell are both pgs. We drafted Frank because the previous season Phil saw opposing pgs run circles around a disinterested Derrick Rose


BPA sounds great. Problem is in the real world you can’t win games without a team and a team with serious gaping holes like our current roster at pg is missing the playoffs again next season. But hey, let’s give Thibs get another excuse to bury Cam on the bench and draft another SF
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6/6/2022  5:01 PM
Philc1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Stevo718 wrote:Gimme TyTy Washington… he’s young and I know that injury turned a lot of people off but he probably didn’t fully heal. This guy has the winning mentality and has nice speed and passing, a good shot and a nice little step back. Think he would be great on the Knicks. Don’t know why everyone passing on him. I don’t like Dyson I think he’s too slow don’t like Malaki he’s nothing special Sochan is okay but I don’t see star potential in him, I think TyTY will be better than any of those guys. I like Manthirin but he won’t be available, and I’d rather keep TYTy and not draft up. And save our resources for some other trade.

I know there’s not much love for TyTy in the Knicks universe, but looking at the players who are projected to be there when we pick (Sochan, Branham, Duren, Agbaji, Eason) I don’t see where any of them are any more of a sure thing or have a better looking “floor” or “ceiling” as they say. And TyTy plays the position we’ve been biotching about as long as I’ve been on this board (and longer). I hear he’s too much like Quickley but is that a bad thing?

It’s not that I’m certain about anything here and I maybe would lean towards Eason. Maybe someone falls who we really want. But if we picked TyTy I’d be good with it and excited to see how it plays out. And then get the mop for all the pants wetting.


TyTy is kinda redundant to IQ, which wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a bunch of two guards on the roster. Im not sure Ty is a real "point," and I think there are several guys with ceilings. TyTy is probably a third guard off the bench if he reaches ceiling. The guys you mentioned (with the exception of maybe Again) have the potential to be high level starters. I'd be good with TyTy if the Knicks traded down and maximized the value of their pick. But TyTy as #11 is a reach.

I’d rather Ty than some of the other mediocre wing players people keep drooling over. I thought the people who knew everything hated Frank- so why do they want Frank 2.0 and 3.0?


At least Ty might solve the pg problem tho I prefer Kennedy


You don't reach on a player just to fill a position a need. You can argue that's how the Knicks ended up with Frank in the first place. The reality is that the player the Knicks pick at 11 likely isn't going to help push them in the playoffs. TyTy is nice, but very few draft analysts have him going that high. If you like him that much, then just trade down and get another asset Also, you need to watch more Dyson tape. I don't think he's point guard, but that dude has no hesitation getting into the paint. He's a lot more aggressive than Frank was.


Dennis Smith Jr and Donovan Mitchell are both pgs. We drafted Frank because the previous season Phil saw opposing pgs run circles around a disinterested Derrick Rose


BPA sounds great. Problem is in the real world you can’t win games without a team and a team with serious gaping holes like our current roster at pg is missing the playoffs again next season. But hey, let’s give Thibs get another excuse to bury Cam on the bench and draft another SF


Yeah, but honestly, I don't see any of the PGs taking the team into the playoffs. This team needs talent and assets, first and foremost. If they want to trade down and grab your guys, fine.
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6/7/2022  10:10 AM
Uncle Wes learned from the best and giving the prospects the Phil Jackson octopus/calamari test

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6/7/2022  10:33 AM
martin wrote:Uncle Wes learned from the best and giving the prospects the Phil Jackson octopus/calamari test

It's a test. Wes wants to see which one of these prospects has the discipline to say no. Or he could be trying to fatten up Dyson.

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6/7/2022  12:03 PM
^^^ Supposedly, Thomas Edison used to do something like this. Take candidates to lunch and order soup for everyone. Spoiler: if you wanted to get hired don't season the soup until after you tasted it
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6/7/2022  12:41 PM
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Rafael Barlow called him Mikal Bridges type on defense on Knick Fan TV last night. Said the shot was shaky, but thinks he can guard multiple positions in the league.

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6/8/2022  8:44 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:

Rafael Barlow called him Mikal Bridges type on defense on Knick Fan TV last night. Said the shot was shaky, but thinks he can guard multiple positions in the league.

Although not as NBa ready, maybe this drafts Herb Jones?
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6/8/2022  9:42 AM
Knixkik wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
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Rafael Barlow called him Mikal Bridges type on defense on Knick Fan TV last night. Said the shot was shaky, but thinks he can guard multiple positions in the league.

Although not as NBa ready, maybe this drafts Herb Jones?


I can see that. Would consider buying a pick to nab him if the roster wasn't already congested at the wing position.
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6/8/2022  9:58 AM
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And to think Phil got ripped to shreds by the media for trying to do a KP for Tatum trade and then Ainge counteroffering with Jaylon Brown plus picks
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Rafael Barlow called him Mikal Bridges type on defense on Knick Fan TV last night. Said the shot was shaky, but thinks he can guard multiple positions in the league.

Please, please, no more hard working wings who can’t shoot.
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6/8/2022  10:21 AM
My Filipino homerism is kicking in and hopefully the Knicks draft Kai Sotto in the 2nd round.
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6/8/2022  10:47 AM
Have the knicks shown any interest on Jaden Hardy? He could be a trade down candidate.he might not have played that well in the Gleague but he was the #1 guard in his class coming out of high school. Maybe his adjustment period for the pros is his GLeague stint. He has flashed some potential with the ignite maybe he is ready put everything together in the NBA. I think he could be a sleeper.
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6/8/2022  12:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2022  12:36 PM
Philc1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:

Rafael Barlow called him Mikal Bridges type on defense on Knick Fan TV last night. Said the shot was shaky, but thinks he can guard multiple positions in the league.

Please, please, no more hard working wings who can’t shoot.

Speaking of wings who CAN shoot, I’m really warming to malaki branham. Just seems like a pretty complete skill set and major upside. His small sample size and sort of coming out of no one is preventing him from climbing above us in mocks. If he’s at 11, just seems like a good bet. High ceiling but still a high floor with the shooting. I think at worst he’s a future 6th man. At best he’s a Middleton type.
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