StarksEwing1 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:If the Knicks end up in free agency with someone like Kemba and Middleton getting max contracts then this trade is a colossal failure and we are stuck on the treadmill for at least the next 5 years.

All you do is get angry. Its possible things turn out great this offseason even though it doesnt fit your negative narrative

Everything is possible.

But swinging for the fences and hitting a groundball to first every time isn't the way to build a successful franchise. Sometimes all you need is a single.

KP basically said that he was gonna sign a QO then walk unless they traded him. We ended up with 2 firsts,a recent lottery pick,and ability to sign two top free agents. Not sure what more they could of done

Dennis Smith Jr isn't a good prospect.

The 2 firsts - especially rhe one in 2021 - will not be anything more than a mid-round pick.

You could have gotten better young players and better picks for Porzingis but we went for the cap space over the future.

JamesKPolk wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:If the Knicks end up in free agency with someone like Kemba and Middleton getting max contracts then this trade is a colossal failure and we are stuck on the treadmill for at least the next 5 years.

All you do is get angry. Its possible things turn out great this offseason even though it doesnt fit your negative narrative

Everything is possible.

But swinging for the fences and hitting a groundball to first every time isn't the way to build a successful franchise. Sometimes all you need is a single.

KP basically said that he was gonna sign a QO then walk unless they traded him. We ended up with 2 firsts,a recent lottery pick,and ability to sign two top free agents. Not sure what more they could of done

Dennis Smith Jr isn't a good prospect.

The 2 firsts - especially rhe one in 2021 - will not be anything more than a mid-round pick.

You could have gotten better young players and better picks for Porzingis but we went for the cap space over the future.

I wonder if word got out Durant was coming, KP was upset because they play the same position and would have to take a back seat to Durant and kyrie .

Would playing third fiddle be in KP’s best interest ?

fitzfarm wrote:Now that nba executives think kid gave the Knicks. Was KP not interested in playing with Durant and kyrie plus a very probable top 3 pick?

I wonder if word got out Durant was coming, KP was upset because they play the same position and would have to take a back seat to Durant and kyrie .

Would playing third fiddle be in KP’s best interest ?

Before the KP trade, the Knicks did not have cap space to sign both Durant and Kyrie, in fact, they would have struggled to free up space for just Durant. So KP was looking at teaming up with Kyrie, Klay or Kawhi, plus Zion in a best case scenario for the next 4 years. And a lot of chips would have had to fall right for that to have happened. I guess he decided that teaming up with Luka Doncic for 10 years under Dirk's tutelage was a more promising prospect.

And looking at max contract rules, top flight FAs who are really wanted by their current teams, would really need a very strong reason to come to the Knicks. Switching teams means leaving $6m on the table, plus a guaranteed fifth year at over $40m. That's a lot of dough just for the "privilege" of forming a superteam in NY. Not to mention that NY taxes are some of the highest in the country and the city is not blessed with great weather.

I am beginning to realize that the only FAs that we are likely to get are those that are not wanted by their teams so badly as to be offered max deals by their own teams. KD, Kawhi and Kyrie would definitely get the 5 year maxes from their current teams and have zero reason to come to NY. So at best we a staring at a combination of 2 out of Klay, Cousins, Kemba, Butler, Tobias Harris, Middelton. Enough to get us maybe to conference semis every year, or conference finals in a good year, but probably short of serious championship contention, even if we land Zion in the draft.

So, unless four years of possible mediocrity is what we want, the most rational scenario for us may very well be to sit out this historic FA class entirely despite having loads of cap space, and continue patiently building from the ground up, with cap space for a top-flight FA being a supporing opportunistic tool, rather than our core strategy.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

LegendD wrote:The New York Knicks have not re-signed a 1st round pick since Charlie Ward, who was drafted in 1994.
I loved Knicks since 2015 draft day, but when my favorite player goes I go with him. Im Mavs fan now!

Pathetic

In all fairness, and given the grammatical errors in his post, the bloke is probably Lithuanian.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Now that nba executives think kid gave the Knicks. Was KP not interested in playing with Durant and kyrie plus a very probable top 3 pick?

I wonder if word got out Durant was coming, KP was upset because they play the same position and would have to take a back seat to Durant and kyrie .

Would playing third fiddle be in KP’s best interest ?

Before the KP trade, the Knicks did not have cap space to sign both Durant and Kyrie, in fact, they would have struggled to free up space for just Durant. So KP was looking at teaming up with Kyrie, Klay or Kawhi, plus Zion in a best case scenario for the next 4 years. And a lot of chips would have had to fall right for that to have happened. I guess he decided that teaming up with Luka Doncic for 10 years under Dirk's tutelage was a more promising prospect.

And looking at max contract rules, top flight FAs who are really wanted by their current teams, would really need a very strong reason to come to the Knicks. Switching teams means leaving $6m on the table, plus a guaranteed fifth year at over $40m. That's a lot of dough just for the "privilege" of forming a superteam in NY. Not to mention that NY taxes are some of the highest in the country and the city is not blessed with great weather.

I am beginning to realize that the only FAs that we are likely to get are those that are not wanted by their teams so badly as to be offered max deals by their own teams. KD, Kawhi and Kyrie would definitely get the 5 year maxes from their current teams and have zero reason to come to NY. So at best we a staring at a combination of 2 out of Klay, Cousins, Kemba, Butler, Tobias Harris, Middelton. Enough to get us maybe to conference semis every year, or conference finals in a good year, but probably short of serious championship contention, even if we land Zion in the draft.

So, unless four years of possible mediocrity is what we want, the most rational scenario for us may very well be to sit out this historic FA class entirely despite having loads of cap space, and continue patiently building from the ground up, with cap space for a top-flight FA being a supporing opportunistic tool, rather than our core strategy.

Welpee wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:If the Knicks end up in free agency with someone like Kemba and Middleton getting max contracts then this trade is a colossal failure and we are stuck on the treadmill for at least the next 5 years.

All you do is get angry. Its possible things turn out great this offseason even though it doesnt fit your negative narrative

Everything is possible.

But swinging for the fences and hitting a groundball to first every time isn't the way to build a successful franchise. Sometimes all you need is a single.

KP basically said that he was gonna sign a QO then walk unless they traded him. We ended up with 2 firsts,a recent lottery pick,and ability to sign two top free agents. Not sure what more they could of done

You could have gotten better young players and better picks for Porzingis but we went for the cap space over the future.

Like who? Give us some names.

LegendD wrote:The New York Knicks have not re-signed a 1st round pick since Charlie Ward, who was drafted in 1994.
I loved Knicks since 2015 draft day, but when my favorite player goes I go with him. Im Mavs fan now!

Welpee wrote:There are already reports that Ainge doesn't want to give Irving a max deal. KD has been quoted as saying he's not obsessed with championships (guess he can say that now that he has two rings and two finals mvps). So I think both are possible.

That would be good. KD+Kyrie or Kawhi+Kyrie would make us a contender.

CrushAlot wrote:

LegendD wrote:The New York Knicks have not re-signed a 1st round pick since Charlie Ward, who was drafted in 1994.
I loved Knicks since 2015 draft day, but when my favorite player goes I go with him. Im Mavs fan now!

He wanted to go. The Knicks would have committed to him. He didn’t eat to commit to the Knicks.