mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:I guess this is just human nature for some..we could be 23 and 1 and this board would over react to the one loss. I know my expectations coming into this season and they have more than surpassed that so far. For me that's good enough for me right now.

Who is complaining about one game? I have been complaining about Felton for a while.

This season (and last years ending (reg season)) has way surpassed my expectations.

I still worry about a glaring problem.

I worry that Felton and JR will kill us in the playoffs. That is a valid worry.

I know we will make the playoffs but what can we do once we get there? Do you want to live and die with Felton and JR? I don't.

Melo can't be the sole scorer while players like JR and Felton shoot 30 percent. We won't and can't win that way.

Those are very valid concerns. But can't be blind to the fact some of our injuries escalate those concerns. Amare injured most of season and melo out 3 games had put Felton in a position he wasn't brought here for. That at least has to be recognized. And to not recognize in Amare absence Felton's good perfomances is bias. He has done a commendable job most nights in providing offense and initiating offense. JR the same. Outside his 7 game slump he hasn't been bad.

JR Smith is a steal! Who can argue that? I would prefer that he not be allowed to shoot us out of games.

Felton has a TS of 47 percent (this includes games with Melo) that can't get much worse. ITS AWFUL. I think that we may be winning despite him and that JKidd has been saving our ass. Take away kidd and we probably are pretty mediocre.

What if Amare is not the player that we all hope he will be? What if he is injured Amare? Are we screwed?

Again, I am not worried at all about the regular season. We will make the playoffs and get a decent to high seed.

I just want to have a team that can/will be successful in the playoffs.

You take Felton away from Kidd and what u have is a guard who can't penetrate. It goes both ways. You have seen that at least when Kidd is on the court with no Felton right? Felton is just as important to team as Kidd. Felton and melo are the only two who actually take the drive all the way to Thr rim. The threat alone is important for those open 3s we've seen all season.

And u should worry about the regular season. Last year showed how important the regular season is towards playoff success.

mrKnickShot wrote:

NYDiva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:I guess this is just human nature for some..we could be 23 and 1 and this board would over react to the one loss. I know my expectations coming into this season and they have more than surpassed that so far. For me that's good enough for me right now.

Who is complaining about one game? I have been complaining about Felton for a while.

This season (and last years ending (reg season)) has way surpassed my expectations.

I still worry about a glaring problem.

I worry that Felton and JR will kill us in the playoffs. That is a valid worry.

I know we will make the playoffs but what can we do once we get there? Do you want to live and die with Felton and JR? I don't.

Melo can't be the sole scorer while players like JR and Felton shoot 30 percent. We won't and can't win that way.

Those are very valid concerns. But can't be blind to the fact some of our injuries escalate those concerns. Amare injured most of season and melo out 3 games had put Felton in a position he wasn't brought here for. That at least has to be recognized. And to not recognize in Amare absence Felton's good perfomances is bias. He has done a commendable job most nights in providing offense and initiating offense. JR the same. Outside his 7 game slump he hasn't been bad.

Yeah. I think we're a team that can get by and even be successful with a couple of guys hurt. But, 5 guys hurt? Including the superstar and second scoring option? And our perimeter defensive specialist? And a key guy off the bench (Sheed)? It starts to add up. It's not about making excuses. But, the injuries catch up to a team. There's only so much you can do when more and more guys are sitting on the bench in street clothes instead of being out on the court.

Who is our second option?

This team is good but most expected many injuries due to our age. Did we not expect Sheed, Camby and Stat to be injured most of the season? I did.

The guy who averaged 17.5 ppg for the Knicks last year, Amar'e.

I had no expectations of Sheed or Camby, but I didn't expect Amar'e to be injured for most of the season. I was hoping he'd be healthy, finally.

NYDiva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NYDiva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:I guess this is just human nature for some..we could be 23 and 1 and this board would over react to the one loss. I know my expectations coming into this season and they have more than surpassed that so far. For me that's good enough for me right now.

Who is complaining about one game? I have been complaining about Felton for a while.

This season (and last years ending (reg season)) has way surpassed my expectations.

I still worry about a glaring problem.

I worry that Felton and JR will kill us in the playoffs. That is a valid worry.

I know we will make the playoffs but what can we do once we get there? Do you want to live and die with Felton and JR? I don't.

Melo can't be the sole scorer while players like JR and Felton shoot 30 percent. We won't and can't win that way.

Those are very valid concerns. But can't be blind to the fact some of our injuries escalate those concerns. Amare injured most of season and melo out 3 games had put Felton in a position he wasn't brought here for. That at least has to be recognized. And to not recognize in Amare absence Felton's good perfomances is bias. He has done a commendable job most nights in providing offense and initiating offense. JR the same. Outside his 7 game slump he hasn't been bad.

Yeah. I think we're a team that can get by and even be successful with a couple of guys hurt. But, 5 guys hurt? Including the superstar and second scoring option? And our perimeter defensive specialist? And a key guy off the bench (Sheed)? It starts to add up. It's not about making excuses. But, the injuries catch up to a team. There's only so much you can do when more and more guys are sitting on the bench in street clothes instead of being out on the court.

Who is our second option?

This team is good but most expected many injuries due to our age. Did we not expect Sheed, Camby and Stat to be injured most of the season? I did.

The guy who averaged 17.5 ppg for the Knicks last year, Amar'e.

I had no expectations of Sheed or Camby, but I didn't expect Amar'e to be injured for most of the season. I was hoping he'd be healthy, finally.

When Amare returns during the season he will need time to catch up (team chemistry/rehab) but you hope he may show up a little better in the playoffs. So I am not expecting much from Amare this year. People got their hopes up when Barron was returning from his injury and you know where that ended.

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:so let me get this straight... felton is the scapegoat now?

Nope.

Its not his fault - it EVIL MELO'S FAULT

LOL

dude felton is not a bad guy, pretty good player,but he and brewer were the same guys I thought they were.. yet we had multiple love threads for felton and brewer while trashing lin and fields..

go figure..

Not a bad guy. Agreed.

You like or dislike guys but I am never sure why. Are you a stat geek or not? Is a TS of 47 percent a "pretty good" player? How about WS? Or, only when it is convenient? It is not bad for 4 mil though.

Fields was/is trash - I know you stick to our picks but you gotta cut the chord on this one.

Brewer is better than he has shown (IMHO)

i use stats to help reinforce the eye test....

when healthy fields is better than brewer..

nehemiah wrote:You know, you're not quite the guy to judge who's dumb or not with your "let's trash Lin thread" (it was named something different, but that's what it was.

That thread was supposed to be objective and about numbers. Numbers for this game was lopsided as Lin clearly outplayed Felton. Yet you're still here trashing Lin and propping up Felton -- this denial is not good for the Knicks. Be a damn man for once -- Lin didn't get lucky tonight -- that's his game. What did he do tonight that is anomalous? He is not a great shooter, but shoots adequately at times. He dishes the ball well and gets to the basket well. He plays hard and not selfish. These are evident to most everyone but you.

Stop being such a vagina.

NUPE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

I don't believe Felton is dumb. That is a pretty childish statement. Felton's TO are generally low. Felton generally makes smart plays. Felton's shooting is not great but Felton's primary role in the offense is not to shoot when we have a healthy team. What part of this simple statement don't you understand.

In a situation like today, who else was gonna take the shots. Brewer can't create. Chandler can't create. Kidd can't create. Novak can't create. Prig generally does not create. The only creators were JR, Copeland and Felton so they were the ones that were going to take the shots and dominate the ball. It's literally common sense.

There are a few Knicks that did not play great today but for some reason the focus is on Felton. LoL!

As for Lin. He is inferior to Felton across the board, stat wise. Lin has been a debacle and absolute disappointment. The fact that people are in this thread and pretending otherwise is ABSURD and reeks of bias.

yea, he goes out of the way time and time again to trash lin.. it is over the top... I may not like carmelo, but I don't say he sucks..nupe has a hard time giving credit especially if it goes against his agenda..

blkexec wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:We didn't just lose. We got blown at from the start.

Sorry, I expect to be competitive to the 4th qtr.

The problem is melo is our best 1 on 1 offensive player....Sheed is our best 1 on 1 low-post defensive player (yes Sheed).....Shump is our best 1 on 1 guard defensive player.....

All we had was our complimentary players, against a motivated Lin and Rockets team.....

Since we couldn't score, it affected our defense!

I don't disagree we didn't have the specific players you mentioned but how did this mostly same players do against Miami?

Mray20 wrote:

rp wrote:

blkexec wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:We didn't just lose. We got blown at from the start.

Sorry, I expect to be competitive to the 4th qtr.

The problem is melo is our best 1 on 1 offensive player....Sheed is our best 1 on 1 low-post defensive player (yes Sheed).....Shump is our best 1 on 1 guard defensive player.....

All we had was our complimentary players, against a motivated Lin and Rockets team.....

Since we couldn't score, it affected our defense!

I don't disagree we didn't have the specific players you mentioned but how did this mostly same players do against Miami?

That game Felton was able to get to the rim at will and The Knicks were just knocking down a ton of 3's

Good point Mray20 but is your argument saying felton and the team played bad? If so, I don't disagree. I just can't justify fans who use the excuse that some players were not available as the cause of the loss.

NUPE wrote:
I don't believe Felton is dumb. That is a pretty childish statement. Felton's TO are generally low. Felton generally makes smart plays. Felton's shooting is not great but Felton's primary role in the offense is not to shoot when we have a healthy team. What part of this simple statement don't you understand.

In a situation like today, who else was gonna take the shots. Brewer can't create. Chandler can't create. Kidd can't create. Novak can't create. Prig generally does not create. The only creators were JR, Copeland and Felton so they were the ones that were going to take the shots and dominate the ball. It's literally common sense.

There are a few Knicks that did not play great today but for some reason the focus is on Felton. LoL!

As for Lin. He is inferior to Felton across the board, stat wise. Lin has been a debacle and absolute disappointment. The fact that people are in this thread and pretending otherwise is ABSURD and reeks of bias.

Felton has a GREAT handle, but that is not synonymous with smarts. I wouldn't say Felton is dumb, but he sure ain't on the smart side. I guess average to below average smart wise. To win, it really helps to have a smart pg, like Kidd, Lin, etc. Felton does not take chances with bad passes though, he is great there also. He doesn't see the court anywhere near Lin though.

Lin has had a mostly bad year, by last years standards anyway. But he is a 24 year old, in his second year and putting up 11pts, 6assists, 4reb, 2stls and that is playing next to a ball dominant G in Harden. Lin's FG% is up to 41% after that horrid start - guess what, that is slightly above Feltons FG%. Lin is playing a lot better than some 2nd year pg's drafted in the first half of the draft around when he came out into the NBA (Fredette, etc.)

You are right, Felton is playing pretty good, but if anything happens to Melo or Stat in the playoffs and we need a new #1 or just #2 in general (not depending on Stat making his 3rd or 4th injury comeback in 2 or 3 seasons) we are in hot water. We can't overlook that and we saw it last night. The playoffs are a different animal - I do like our chances though. I think like many people here, we are just saying it was stupid to let a talent like Lin go for nothing. Lin is getting better and better as the season goes on, his health is almost back to where it needs to be. I just think we would be a better team with him on it - He can create...

When you watch Lin and Felton both play, don't make it into a stat argument (e.g. - There is no stat for court vision, will, etc.) - Lin still has "IT"...