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7/20/2012  6:57 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Omer Asik's offer sheet with Houston is same terms as Jeremy Lin's -- $5M, $5.2M, $14.9M. Bulls have three days to match.
From Berger.

Chicago would be in the same pickle as the Knicks in 3 years:

Rose: Max
Booz: $16.8
Noah: $13.1
Omir: $15
Taj: ? ~$8-10M

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7/20/2012  7:08 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Omer Asik's offer sheet with Houston is same terms as Jeremy Lin's -- $5M, $5.2M, $14.9M. Bulls have three days to match.
From Berger.

Chicago would be in the same pickle as the Knicks in 3 years:

Rose: Max
Booz: $16.8
Noah: $13.1
Omir: $15
Taj: ? ~$8-10M

Yeah houston is definitely. Out of the Howard sweepstakes.

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7/20/2012  9:23 PM
Morey may be the worst GM on the league.
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7/20/2012  11:04 PM
Jordan hill resigns with lakers.
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7/20/2012  11:28 PM
Hill got two years 8 million. I had heard speculation that the lakers were holding off signing him while they worked out something with d12.
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7/21/2012  1:48 AM
CashMoney wrote:Morey may be the worst GM on the league.

The difference is that Chicago isn't owned by an idiot and they will match, knowing they have two full years to address their luxury tax issue.

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7/21/2012  6:47 AM
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CashMoney wrote:Morey may be the worst GM on the league.

The difference is that Chicago isn't owned by an idiot and they will match, knowing they have two full years to address their luxury tax issue.

Chicago has done some very strange moves this offseason IMHO. With Rose down and out until January next year, they have let both CJ Watson and John Lucas go - those 2 PGs really eased Rose's injuries last year.... they are left with Marquis Teague who as drafted 29th? They have no other PGs.

Also let Bonnie Brewer and Korver go and replaced with Radmanovic, all for $ reasons. Their only SG is Rip Hamilton who is constantly injured and will be 35 next season. Who else shoots for them?

So you have to wonder if they really match Omer Asik.

Here is their current salary situation in 3 years, and it's as brutal as any in the league:

Rose - $18M (or some max $)
Booz - $17M
Deng - ? UFA
Noah - $13M
Asik - $15M
Taj - RFA and will get top offer ~$10-12M

Poison pill that is worse than Lin's.

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7/21/2012  9:23 AM
The Knicks have cap room in 2014 right. So could the Knicks in theory offer poison pill contracts and lump money into those years were they have cap room. So use their mid level as a start off and then poison pill the money into a year with cap room. Then use there bird rights of Melo and Chandler to go over the cap to resign them. Im trying to figure out how the Knicks rebuild this team in a few years. They have no draft picks and no young players whatsoever. We will have cap room but not really if we plan on resigning Melo and Chandler. Then we will only have 12 million or so to fill out the rest of the roster. Kidd ,Camby,Thomas will retire so we get no assets and no bird rights for them. The team will be left with Felton,Jr Smith, Chandler,Melo. We are seriously FD
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7/21/2012  9:42 PM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Morey may be the worst GM on the league.

The difference is that Chicago isn't owned by an idiot and they will match, knowing they have two full years to address their luxury tax issue.

Chicago has done some very strange moves this offseason IMHO. With Rose down and out until January next year, they have let both CJ Watson and John Lucas go - those 2 PGs really eased Rose's injuries last year.... they are left with Marquis Teague who as drafted 29th? They have no other PGs.

Also let Bonnie Brewer and Korver go and replaced with Radmanovic, all for $ reasons. Their only SG is Rip Hamilton who is constantly injured and will be 35 next season. Who else shoots for them?

So you have to wonder if they really match Omer Asik.

Here is their current salary situation in 3 years, and it's as brutal as any in the league:

Rose - $18M (or some max $)
Booz - $17M
Deng - ? UFA
Noah - $13M
Asik - $15M
Taj - RFA and will get top offer ~$10-12M

Poison pill that is worse than Lin's.

I have a feeling Chicago sees their regular season record as over achieving the last 2 years. No doubt they're a good team, but look what happened without Rose. Maybe they think this is a good chance to see how they start without Rose, and if they're out of the hunt just hold him out and improve their draft status. They're still a very good player away from being a true championship contender I think. Maybe they see it the same way.

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7/22/2012  1:03 AM
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martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Morey may be the worst GM on the league.

The difference is that Chicago isn't owned by an idiot and they will match, knowing they have two full years to address their luxury tax issue.

Chicago has done some very strange moves this offseason IMHO. With Rose down and out until January next year, they have let both CJ Watson and John Lucas go - those 2 PGs really eased Rose's injuries last year.... they are left with Marquis Teague who as drafted 29th? They have no other PGs.

Also let Bonnie Brewer and Korver go and replaced with Radmanovic, all for $ reasons. Their only SG is Rip Hamilton who is constantly injured and will be 35 next season. Who else shoots for them?

So you have to wonder if they really match Omer Asik.

Here is their current salary situation in 3 years, and it's as brutal as any in the league:

Rose - $18M (or some max $)
Booz - $17M
Deng - ? UFA
Noah - $13M
Asik - $15M
Taj - RFA and will get top offer ~$10-12M

Poison pill that is worse than Lin's.

I have a feeling Chicago sees their regular season record as over achieving the last 2 years. No doubt they're a good team, but look what happened without Rose. Maybe they think this is a good chance to see how they start without Rose, and if they're out of the hunt just hold him out and improve their draft status. They're still a very good player away from being a true championship contender I think. Maybe they see it the same way.

They may view this as a lost year. Curious what their cap situation is nexy year if the amnesty Boozer...Dwight will be a FA

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7/22/2012  1:31 AM
crzymdups wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Morey may be the worst GM on the league.

The difference is that Chicago isn't owned by an idiot and they will match, knowing they have two full years to address their luxury tax issue.

If the Bulls match that contract they are fools. The Rockets could have $30 million dollars wrapped into Lin and Asik in the 2014-2015 season. Who in the hell in their right mind would pay over $14 mil for Asik? Guess it's okay though since if Lin and Asik don't work out it's only $10 million a season for 3 years.

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7/22/2012  1:32 AM
Jmpasq wrote:The Knicks have cap room in 2014 right. So could the Knicks in theory offer poison pill contracts and lump money into those years were they have cap room. So use their mid level as a start off and then poison pill the money into a year with cap room. Then use there bird rights of Melo and Chandler to go over the cap to resign them. Im trying to figure out how the Knicks rebuild this team in a few years. They have no draft picks and no young players whatsoever. We will have cap room but not really if we plan on resigning Melo and Chandler. Then we will only have 12 million or so to fill out the rest of the roster. Kidd ,Camby,Thomas will retire so we get no assets and no bird rights for them. The team will be left with Felton,Jr Smith, Chandler,Melo. We are seriously FD

Let's worry about this year before we fast forward to the 2014-2015 season.

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7/22/2012  2:19 AM
CashMoney wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Morey may be the worst GM on the league.

The difference is that Chicago isn't owned by an idiot and they will match, knowing they have two full years to address their luxury tax issue.

If the Bulls match that contract they are fools. The Rockets could have $30 million dollars wrapped into Lin and Asik in the 2014-2015 season. Who in the hell in their right mind would pay over $14 mil for Asik? Guess it's okay though since if Lin and Asik don't work out it's only $10 million a season for 3 years.

No, Houston would be spending $16M combined for Lin and Asik in year 3. The team offering a poison pill contract doesn't get a poison pill; they pay the average amount spread over the life of the contract.

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7/22/2012  5:34 AM
VCoug wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Morey may be the worst GM on the league.

The difference is that Chicago isn't owned by an idiot and they will match, knowing they have two full years to address their luxury tax issue.

If the Bulls match that contract they are fools. The Rockets could have $30 million dollars wrapped into Lin and Asik in the 2014-2015 season. Who in the hell in their right mind would pay over $14 mil for Asik? Guess it's okay though since if Lin and Asik don't work out it's only $10 million a season for 3 years.

No, Houston would be spending $16M combined for Lin and Asik in year 3. The team offering a poison pill contract doesn't get a poison pill; they pay the average amount spread over the life of the contract.

Actually. they pay the same as the players' previous team would pay but the cap number is 16 mill. So they are still paying 30 mill give or take in year three.

So does this mean that the owner of the bulls is an idiot or that the Knicks owner is smart. lol.

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7/22/2012  9:53 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Morey may be the worst GM on the league.

The difference is that Chicago isn't owned by an idiot and they will match, knowing they have two full years to address their luxury tax issue.

If the Bulls match that contract they are fools. The Rockets could have $30 million dollars wrapped into Lin and Asik in the 2014-2015 season. Who in the hell in their right mind would pay over $14 mil for Asik? Guess it's okay though since if Lin and Asik don't work out it's only $10 million a season for 3 years.

No, Houston would be spending $16M combined for Lin and Asik in year 3. The team offering a poison pill contract doesn't get a poison pill; they pay the average amount spread over the life of the contract.

Actually. they pay the same as the players' previous team would pay but the cap number is 16 mill. So they are still paying 30 mill give or take in year three.

So does this mean that the owner of the bulls is an idiot or that the Knicks owner is smart. lol.

Who cares how the contract is structured? They're going to pay the same amount over three years anyway. What matters is the cap hit which would be about $16M/year.

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7/23/2012  11:10 PM
Randy Foye signs with Utah. Hopefully we can swing Delfino somehow......
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7/23/2012  11:14 PM
MSG3 wrote:Randy Foye signs with Utah. Hopefully we can swing Delfino somehow......

what did he get?

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mrKnickShot wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Randy Foye signs with Utah. Hopefully we can swing Delfino somehow......

what did he get?

1 year. Not sure how much.

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7/24/2012  1:20 AM
MSG3 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Randy Foye signs with Utah. Hopefully we can swing Delfino somehow......

what did he get?

1 year. Not sure how much.


2.5 mil is what I seen and Belineli signed with Chicago. The SG market is closing fast.

Delfino, Miles, Brewer, and West would be my top candidates. Delonte is well we know but veteran contending teams love him. Delfino is good but stands around to much. Brewer gives you D and Miles is young. I also think Pietrus should get a look and his options with a contending team seems to be closing.

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yellowboy90 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Randy Foye signs with Utah. Hopefully we can swing Delfino somehow......

what did he get?

1 year. Not sure how much.


2.5 mil is what I seen and Belineli signed with Chicago. The SG market is closing fast.

Delfino, Miles, Brewer, and West would be my top candidates. Delonte is well we know but veteran contending teams love him. Delfino is good but stands around to much. Brewer gives you D and Miles is young. I also think Pietrus should get a look and his options with a contending team seems to be closing.

Yep, $2.5mil for Bell, and the BAE for Belinelli ($1.96mil). So the prices are dropping- unfortunately we still have to wait it out for a while longer, and hope there's still an okayish player left who has to sign for the minimum.

What teams still have money at this point?

Also, what's Raja Bell like these days? I haven't noticed him playing in years. If he can still play defense and still shoot, he might be worth a look. I'd rather we get someone younger, but he's played with Amar'e and Kurt while on the Suns and should be cheap.

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