Posted by Allanfan20:

Ray Allen is one of them.

in what way is Ray Allen one dimensional? He is MUCH more than just a jump shooter. He can break down a D, he can pass the ball, he can shoot with anyone, he can fly into the paint to grab 5 rebounds a game. He isnt a great defensive player but he is better than Houston even at that!

There's a reason I haven't posted on this thread. If you never heard of Allan Houston before, you'd think that he was a friggin' terrorist after reading some of the anti Houston comments on this thread.

Wow, you have no idea what a terrorist is! But he does get bashed just like Layden, Eisley and Shandon Anderson. They were murdered on these boards. They all had big contracts (other than Layden) and got a TON of playing time because of that and we kept getting L's!

Posted by Allanfan20:

Yes, Ray ia better than Houston (WHen he was healthy) but it really wasn't by too much.

The point is that Ray Allen is not 1-dimensional. Houston does nothing other than jumpshoot on offense and doesnt play D. Ray can, rebound, pass, dribble penetrate, run without the ball (which Houston hasnt done since his contract year) and shoot. If you think Ray Allen is 1-dimensional, Houston is .1-dimensional.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Allanfan20:

You don't make sense man. He's not a model citizen? Kinda like how he's done all sorts of charity work, is the teams spokesman (Ohh, I don't know why, b/c he's smart and actually knows what he's talking about?) was through many Knicks playoff battles, and increased his level of play during the playoffs and has hit tons of big shots? It's really amazing how some of the NY fans think. It's amazing how Houston has done more good and less bad than anyone else on this team, including Marbury, yet he's catching all this shyat, b/c he's not Kobe and b/c of his contract.

Back it up. Other than that 99 Miami shot where did Allan put his stamp on a playoffs series, btw, he was having a so so series and it was the 1st round. I think you are confusing him with John Starks. Second Marbury has been on this team for like a year and a half and he catches more flap for them losing than Houston ever has. Like he was on this team when the Raptors swept them or something. Allan's has been sort of gliding along here. Ewing took the load, then Spree took the load and now Marbury. Most people in the press don't even acknowledge him. Hey don't get me wrong, you take the money if you given the money but better players have been injured and criticized for their decisions. Ewing played most of his career on two bad knees and still took all the criticism that came his way, he said that comes with the territory of being the money man on a team.

What a great post. I want to make it my signature..

just go basketballreference.com and you'll see that Sprewell averaged more than Houston in that 99 playoff run while Sprewell guarded the opposing team's best perimeter player.

Yeah you go to the same site and look at their last year together and click on the box score's for the best teams and see who was the high scorer fro our teams in the overwhelming majority of those games.

Ewing got a hell of alot of heat, but he was very well respected at the same time by most people. H20 doesn't get much respect from fans. I almost cried when Ewing came to MSG as a supersonic, and he was very warmly recieved. Houston just could never do enough to plase fans, his contract was all they saw.

All of this paying out of position stuff is overblown. Who was he guarding at the 3? Who are all these great 3's he was guarding? He was guarding the best player between the 3 and the 2 and guess what, if it was a mismatch for him on D, it was a mismatch for them on D too.

And you know who the opposing teams best defender was guarding?
H-2-muthaphucking-0!

So whatever really. BTW Allan was putting up 22 ppg and sprewell was putting up 16, and H@) was still getting so much heat. Its illogical really.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 06/07/2005 14:09:00]

It's not worth it Killa. People like certain people and dislike others and have their rights, but the thing is, they wont change their opinion, no matter how strong the arguement is, which is why I don't really bother anymore. I've been saying the same stuff about him for years now. Wont work. Just move on to a more thoughtful thread.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Back it up. Other than that 99 Miami shot where did Allan put his stamp on a playoffs series, btw, he was having a so so series and it was the 1st round.

in all fairness, allan was doing work vs. indiana and the spurs. spree did well also but h20 was dropping 30+ in many of those games.

and the last time we remember a healthy h20, it was the 2nd half of the 02/03 season when he was dropping 20+ and many 30, 40, and two 50 point games trying to get the last playoff spot while spree was putting up many 3-15, 3-16 nights.

allan is good.
he's not worth his contract.
ALOT of fans don't like him.
he gets booed all the time.
media gives him a pass b/c he's a good guy.

he is what he is. we're a better team tenfold if h20 is healthy. but he's not.

marbury gets sh tted on non-stop. people don't like him - media, fans, everybody. it was the same with iverson when he started but his hard work on both ends of the court, plus his team's starting to win, changed that. marbury needs to do the same.

and there was never a more underappreciated star player than patrick ewing. he was my favorite bball player of all time and i can't tell you how many times i had to defend him when talking bball with my friends. ALOT of people didn't appreciate him - all those years of playoffs, 2nd rounds, were all taken for granted.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Back it up. Other than that 99 Miami shot where did Allan put his stamp on a playoffs series, btw, he was having a so so series and it was the 1st round.

in all fairness, allan was doing work vs. indiana and the spurs. spree did well also but h20 was dropping 30+ in many of those games.

and the last time we remember a healthy h20, it was the 2nd half of the 02/03 season when he was dropping 20+ and many 30, 40, and two 50 point games trying to get the last playoff spot while spree was putting up many 3-15, 3-16 nights.

allan is good.
he's not worth his contract.
ALOT of fans don't like him.
he gets booed all the time.
media gives him a pass b/c he's a good guy.

he is what he is. we're a better team tenfold if h20 is healthy. but he's not.

marbury gets sh tted on non-stop. people don't like him - media, fans, everybody. it was the same with iverson when he started but his hard work on both ends of the court, plus his team's starting to win, changed that. marbury needs to do the same.

and there was never a more underappreciated star player than patrick ewing. he was my favorite bball player of all time and i can't tell you how many times i had to defend him when talking bball with my friends. ALOT of people didn't appreciate him - all those years of playoffs, 2nd rounds, were all taken for granted.

Yeah, but they missed him when he was gone though. After he was gone and we really sucked things became pretty f.ucking clear to people...Pat was the man and played so hard for us. And 1 of 2 times we really had a shot he was hurt. But the knicks never surrounded him with the right talent until it was too late and he was in the twilight of his career. He carried us for like 15 years. We should have had a dynasty!

I'm done with the Houston argument, its like being in love, you see what you wanna see.

Yeah, and I think Briggs loves Andrew Bynum. lol