as much as I want Illgaukus. This Dampier trade is a lot more realistic than Cleveland accepting TT + KT for him. Unless he forces his way to NY

Posted by fishmike:

well it comes down to a plan doesnt it. If we are going to for go any shot at cap space and work to improve via draft and trades then I think this is ok, only because I believe in Howard.

I think Dampier is a usefull system player, and call me crazy but I think he could benfit from Herb and Aguire. He clogs the lane, blocks shots and is great on the boards. He's athletic and can finish around the basket. I can live with the $$$ knowing I have on of the up can coming wing players in the league that comes with him. The trade balances the roster.

Dallas will offer Daniels or Stackhouse but **** them. Howard or bust. Thats an even deal. Otherwise just walk away

it does come down to a plan, you are correct, and my plan is to draft the best players in this draft, hopefully one or two of them are bigs. I really like Howard, I said this before, he is a real player, but Dampier's deal just sucks, and after watching him fold vs the suns, I have my reservations even more about him. His hands are like stone, he doesn't even impose his will vs smaller players, that kind of play worries me... I don't think he is worth it, but if IT must make this trade then you are right, they take two of our PF's and give us Howard, if they come with stackhouse, I tell them to piss off.... they are the ones holding the 70m bag of crap.....

they are not trading Josh Howard before trading Daniels who is redundant to them whereas Josh is a key part.

Hence the reason Daniels hardly played at all this year behind terry, finley & Stackhouse while Josh Howard started at SF and got his minutes and is their best inside/outside defender

OK, quick recap, we're willing to give up Rose and Kurt for Damp and Daniels?

hell no.. not me. I would move KT for MD, but no way I am taking Dampier back in that trade.

Guns... we arent underrating Howard's value to that team. I think we all know its high. Howard is one of the up and coming wing players in the league. He's got Artest potential without the idiocy. I see him as the core player in the deal, NOT as a throw in. Dampier's contract is abysmal and Howard is the price/reward for taking it off their hands.

Like I said if they dont like it than no problem. Move on to oter options. KT for MD is another options. Taking Dampier back without Howard isnt.

Posted by rvhoss:

yep, waaaay better option than ilgauskus (and I am pro getting him as well)

Damp is one of the missing pieces to our puzzle.

Imagine actually drafting the best player available with the 8th pick?

Oh, is it really possible to get daniels?

The starting lineup (which we seen, but I just gotta type it again)
C-Dampier/Butler
PF-Taylor/Sweets
SF-TT/Ariza
SG-Daniels/Houston
PG-Marbury/Crawford

and the best player available at #8

47.3 wins...easy.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06/03/2005 14:53:20]

or if you don't think Bynum's ceiling is very high you can draft Webster or Granger with Ariza as the backup and screw TT!

Posted by fishmike:

OK, quick recap, we're willing to give up Rose and Kurt for Damp and Daniels?

hell no.. not me. I would move KT for MD, but no way I am taking Dampier back in that trade.

Guns... we arent underrating Howard's value to that team. I think we all know its high. Howard is one of the up and coming wing players in the league. He's got Artest potential without the idiocy. I see him as the core player in the deal, NOT as a throw in. Dampier's contract is abysmal and Howard is the price/reward for taking it off their hands.

Like I said if they dont like it than no problem. Move on to oter options. KT for MD is another options. Taking Dampier back without Howard isnt.

you're underrating Daniels and what he would do for this Knicks team. Remember when he averaged something like 27pts in a series 2yrs ago in the playoffs with a ton of assists and rebounds and defense? He would be the perfect combo guard to play next to Marbury. He can spell Marbury at times. We've seen how well Marbury works with Penny, problem is Penny is finished. Marquis is still developing. What is he 24-25?

He was out of the rotation because they had to trade Jamison to get rid of the frontcourt glut and they got Stackhouse in return. And he had nagging injuries and never settled down with Stackhouse providing them with instant offense off the bench. 15pts off the bench

In the playoffs last year as a 23yr old Daniels averaged 15.8pts, 6.2rebs, 3asts, 43%FG% while playing good defense...on a talented offensive team! Crawford shoots 39%!

nothing wrong with adding Damps & MD and clearing our PF glut and drafting the best player available!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/03/2005 15:09:45]

Guns.. I like Daniels a lot. I would move KT for him in a heartbeat, and I have a high opinion of KT. But I dont like Daniels enough to take back Dampier. Also MD has a pretty good sized contract himself, and Dallas has no leverage with Stackhouse, Josh Howard and Finley already entrenched. KT for MD straight up makes a lot of sense for both teams.

actually it gives you more leverage. If you trade KT and Sweetney it gives you leverage to draft a PF if a guy like Ike or Simien shows star material.

Posted by fishmike:

actually it gives you more leverage. If you trade KT and Sweetney it gives you leverage to draft a PF if a guy like Ike or Simien shows star material.

if we can move two of our pF's would you be happy with draft of Blatche/petro and simien?

Dampier is awful. I'm kinda glad the knicks didn't get him last year. Like I said Kwame is just as good as Dampier is. Kwame needs a new situation and he will cost less than Dampier. This is one deal the Knicks need to walk away from and feel no remorse in doing it because Dampier is just a one year wonder. The next time you get something from Dampier will be in his contract year. People in Dallas are calling for his head in New York the fans will be calling for his head the first chance we get. Say no to Herb, KT and Dampier. He is definitely not the piece NYK is missing.

Vmart!!! I would rather have Kwame also, but how is that will help our backlog at PF???? Keep in mind that the only reason Dampier is mentioned is because Dallas has a need for what we have...

Posted by Vmart:

Dampier is awful. I'm kinda glad the knicks didn't get him last year. Like I said Kwame is just as good as Dampier is. Kwame needs a new situation and he will cost less than Dampier. This is one deal the Knicks need to walk away from and feel no remorse in doing it because Dampier is just a one year wonder. The next time you get something from Dampier will be in his contract year. People in Dallas are calling for his head in New York the fans will be calling for his head the first chance we get. Say no to Herb, KT and Dampier. He is definitely not the piece NYK is missing.