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Bonn1997
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4/7/2005  3:26 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
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If that's all it took to get Zach, I'd be SO happy.

Thats always good to know.

More realistically I'd do TT, Sweetney and late 1st rounder for Zach and DA, but without the ending contract of Moochie Norris (see Houston Rockets), the deal isn't workable.

[Edited by - codeunknown on 04/07/2005 14:21:47]
I'm sure Isiah understand that. Maybe he plans to offer TT and Penny in a larger deal instead of your TT and Sweetney offer. Who knows? We could debate whether Isiah's trades have been good or bad, but we can agree that he's never had a problem making salaries match to pull off trades.
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4/7/2005  3:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


We could debate whether Isiah's trades have been good or bad, but we can agree that he's never had a problem making salaries match to pull off trades.

So far. What do you propose when you have no ending contracts to work with? TT and Penny in a larger deal? Ok, make it work with Portland.
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4/7/2005  3:51 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:


We could debate whether Isiah's trades have been good or bad, but we can agree that he's never had a problem making salaries match to pull off trades.

So far. What do you propose when you have no ending contracts to work with? TT and Penny in a larger deal? Ok, make it work with Portland.
I'd have to be talking with Portland's GM to know what he wants and with other GMs because I'd consider the possibility of a 3 team trade.
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4/7/2005  4:01 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


I'd have to be talking with Portland's GM to know what he wants and with other GMs because I'd consider the possibility of a 3 team trade.

Try anything. With any team. Any plausible deal involving both TT and Hardaway. Make something up if you have to.
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4/7/2005  4:19 PM
I see your TT & Penny for Odom and Grant and raise you a Mo Taylor & Sweetney for Carlos Boozer. And A KT our later pick and our 2nd rd pick for Tyson Chandler. And draft Gerald Green.

Marbury/Crawford
Green/Crawford
Odom/Ariza
Boozer/Rose/JYD
Chandler/Grant/Butler

Lets go.
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4/7/2005  4:25 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:


I'd have to be talking with Portland's GM to know what he wants and with other GMs because I'd consider the possibility of a 3 team trade.

Try anything. With any team. Any plausible deal involving both TT and Hardaway. Make something up if you have to.
how about no trade and just letting 2 bad players with bad contracts go away?
Leave them on the roster... if someone wants to dump a star for crapola (see Baron Davis) then we are your guys. If you want picks back or want us to take back a slightly better player with a long crap deal then no thanks
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4/7/2005  4:31 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Bonn1997:


I'd have to be talking with Portland's GM to know what he wants and with other GMs because I'd consider the possibility of a 3 team trade.

Try anything. With any team. Any plausible deal involving both TT and Hardaway. Make something up if you have to.
how about no trade and just letting 2 bad players with bad contracts go away?
Leave them on the roster... if someone wants to dump a star for crapola (see Baron Davis) then we are your guys. If you want picks back or want us to take back a slightly better player with a long crap deal then no thanks

I wouldn't mind doing that myself Fish, what if Portland came to the Knicks with a Zach Randolph trade, would you do that or tell them to take a walk?
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4/7/2005  4:53 PM
I think Zach can be salvaged.
My offers would be along these lines:
Sweetney + Mo Taylor for Zach
possibly some combo of Penny/TT/Sweetney and JYD/Rose/Mo T
I might be willing to take back Patterson if I get a pick or prospect back
TT + Mo T for Zach, Patterson and Outlaw or 2006 #1

If they dont like those options fine. Thanks for calling and anytime your moving a player or want one of mine please call, you never know.

I didnt look at matching $$$ but you get the idea.

On a side note this is another reason Mo T was bad. If nothing else Vins $4mm and Moochies $3mm are good salaries to help money match in trades. Mo Taylor's $10mm isnt.
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4/7/2005  4:56 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I see your TT & Penny for Odom and Grant and raise you a Mo Taylor & Sweetney for Carlos Boozer. And A KT our later pick and our 2nd rd pick for Tyson Chandler. And draft Gerald Green.

Marbury/Crawford
Green/Crawford
Odom/Ariza
Boozer/Rose/JYD
Chandler/Grant/Butler

Lets go.

i think you're bluffing...ok, i call...whatchoo got meng?
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4/7/2005  5:02 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I see your TT & Penny for Odom and Grant and raise you a Mo Taylor & Sweetney for Carlos Boozer. And A KT our later pick and our 2nd rd pick for Tyson Chandler. And draft Gerald Green.

Marbury/Crawford
Green/Crawford
Odom/Ariza
Boozer/Rose/JYD
Chandler/Grant/Butler

Lets go.

i think you're bluffing...ok, i call...whatchoo got meng?
I don't think that's enough to get Boozer or Ty Chandler. I'd gladly do both of those deals, though.
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4/7/2005  5:05 PM
The Blazers have space
Damon, Shareef, Nick the Quick
All expire this year

The Lakers are strapped
Cap relief might be desired
We can help them clear

Marbs, Odom: in Greece
impressed briefly, strong play
We'd move up a tier

...yeah, so like I was trying to say. The Blazers don't need our help clearing space, the Lakers do. Marbs and Odom seemed to work well at the Olympics. I'd say they were our best tandem on Team USA. I think Odom would be great on the Knicks. He'd definitely improve our team.
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4/7/2005  5:24 PM
Aw man, now I'm going to go into the offseason with expectations of getting a deal like this done.
I would love to get Odom. He's an extremely talented and versatile player that could bring some stability from our 3/4 position.
I love the lineup that was mentioned earlier, the
Marbury
Ariza
Odom
Kurt (if we assume we still have Sweets, I would make the switch)
Petro, or whatever C we draft.

That lineup would definately be easier on the eyes than some of the garbage we've seen this season.
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4/7/2005  6:17 PM
Posted by eViL:

The Blazers have space
Damon, Shareef, Nick the Quick
All expire this year

The Lakers are strapped
Cap relief might be desired
We can help them clear

Marbs, Odom: in Greece
impressed briefly, strong play
We'd move up a tier

...yeah, so like I was trying to say. The Blazers don't need our help clearing space, the Lakers do. Marbs and Odom seemed to work well at the Olympics. I'd say they were our best tandem on Team USA. I think Odom would be great on the Knicks. He'd definitely improve our team.
It's not a matter of space. It's a matter of whether the Blazers (who don't have as much money to burn as the Knicks) want to have $84 mil committed to Zach.

I still can't imagine us getting Zach without giving up our lottery pick.
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4/7/2005  6:30 PM
Posted by fishmike:


Leave them on the roster... if someone wants to dump a star for crapola (see Baron Davis) then we are your guys.

Thats right. If crapola is your market, give us a call. Not one GM will give us a run for our money. So if you want your fix of crapola, call the Knicks main office and ask for Isiah.

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4/7/2005  6:41 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by eViL:

The Blazers have space
Damon, Shareef, Nick the Quick
All expire this year

The Lakers are strapped
Cap relief might be desired
We can help them clear

Marbs, Odom: in Greece
impressed briefly, strong play
We'd move up a tier

...yeah, so like I was trying to say. The Blazers don't need our help clearing space, the Lakers do. Marbs and Odom seemed to work well at the Olympics. I'd say they were our best tandem on Team USA. I think Odom would be great on the Knicks. He'd definitely improve our team.
It's not a matter of space. It's a matter of whether the Blazers (who don't have as much money to burn as the Knicks) want to have $84 mil committed to Zach.

I still can't imagine us getting Zach without giving up our lottery pick.

I know for a fact I don't want Zach over Bogut, Green and maybe even Taft but if those 3 guys are gone by the time we pick, I'd definitely trade our late lottery pick for him if thats what it took. Unless his Knee injury is more serious which I doubt since he's only 23. Like someone said Ewing missed the majority of his rookie season because of a minor knee problem. Its not like Zach destroyed his knee the way dice & webber did when they got injured.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/07/2005 19:02:27]
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4/7/2005  6:41 PM
For clarification purposes, neither TT nor Hardaway will yield us as much as people are expecting. Fiscal responsibility is important not just to get that mysterious roster flexibility (antonym - see Mo Taylor), which we all just love to talk so much about. Letting those buffoons (TT etc.) expire is the obvious logical step to getting under the cap at some point in the future. And, yes, that's important. Why? Because it makes life easier. So we don't have to concoct delirious trades sending TT and Hardaway for Dampier, Finley and Cuban.
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4/7/2005  6:47 PM
if the best we could do is simply draft wisely and use the MLE and let their contracts expire that would be perfectly fine. I really don't see Isiah trading for finley and a disappointing Dampier at this point.
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4/7/2005  6:59 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by eViL:

The Blazers have space
Damon, Shareef, Nick the Quick
All expire this year

The Lakers are strapped
Cap relief might be desired
We can help them clear

Marbs, Odom: in Greece
impressed briefly, strong play
We'd move up a tier

...yeah, so like I was trying to say. The Blazers don't need our help clearing space, the Lakers do. Marbs and Odom seemed to work well at the Olympics. I'd say they were our best tandem on Team USA. I think Odom would be great on the Knicks. He'd definitely improve our team.
It's not a matter of space. It's a matter of whether the Blazers (who don't have as much money to burn as the Knicks) want to have $84 mil committed to Zach.

I still can't imagine us getting Zach without giving up our lottery pick.

I know for a fact I don't want Zach over Bogut, Green and maybe even Taft but if those 3 guys are gone by the time we pick I definitely trade our late lottery pick for him if thats what it took. Unless his Knee injury is more serious which I doubt since he's only 23. Like someone said Ewing missed the majority of his rookie season because of a minor knee problem. Its not like Zach destroyed his knee the way dice & webber did when they got injured.
I'd agree with all of that.

Going after Zach vs Eddy Curry is an issue I've been wondering about

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/07/2005 19:00:40]
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4/7/2005  7:04 PM
Bonn, where are the 3-team trades involvimg TT and Hardaway?
Is there a single, even remotely possible trade out there?
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4/7/2005  7:18 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

if the best we could do is simply draft wisely and use the MLE and let their contracts expire that would be perfectly fine. I really don't see Isiah trading for finley and a disappointing Dampier at this point.

Whatever Isiah does in the future will be readily apparent. What he cannot do is trade for a bonafide superstar because expiring contracts won't be nearly enough.
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