Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by fishmike:

an ex alkie center that Isiah signed for $8mm. Its not like he replaced some Layden mistake. He replaced his own mistake with a bigger mistake. Maybe he will trade Mo Taylor and another draft pick for Adonal Foyal.

Was there ANY truth to the rumour tha signing Baker was a package deal to get Crawford to sign a favorable contract to get here since they share the same agent? I remember that going around for a little bit over the summer.

Fish...It is a second round pick! You can pick up a second round pick in this league for a future pick 100 years (exaggeration) down the road...We didn't give up an unprotected first round pick coming off a 20 win season......That has to be taken into perspective.

joe, if frank williams, deke, othella, and cezary can return a 24 year old jamal crawford, don't you think vin, moochie, #2 can yield something better than a non defensive playing 29 year old PF that likes to shoot?

Posted by simrud:

What does Houston have to do with this?

Why are you bringing up Houston and Layden, we are talkin about IT's track record here.

Layden stunk, but IT has not been much better.

Maybe you should get over Houston and Layden man.

The reason some of us are so upset is because we had to actually watch Mo fuc@cking taylor play tonight! He is pathetic, his futility is in the league of Fatspoon and Shanderson!

And we got him 2 WEEKS AGO! We might has well have gotten Webber if we were gonna take on salary, at least Webber can play.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by fishmike:

an ex alkie center that Isiah signed for $8mm. Its not like he replaced some Layden mistake. He replaced his own mistake with a bigger mistake. Maybe he will trade Mo Taylor and another draft pick for Adonal Foyal.

Was there ANY truth to the rumour tha signing Baker was a package deal to get Crawford to sign a favorable contract to get here since they share the same agent? I remember that going around for a little bit over the summer.

Fish...It is a second round pick! You can pick up a second round pick in this league for a future pick 100 years (exaggeration) down the road...We didn't give up an unprotected first round pick coming off a 20 win season......That has to be taken into perspective.

joe, if frank williams, deke, othella, and cezary can return a 24 year old jamal crawford, don't you think vin, moochie, #2 can yield something better than a non defensive playing 29 year old PF that likes to shoot?

Correction....those players netted us Crawford and an overpaid energy player...Frank WAS a promising PG at one time, Deke, Czary were expiring contracts,and the Bulls actually wanted Othella for his work ethic and attitude....

At Best, Vin, Mooch and a #2 can yeild us a player like Donyell Marshall at best...and I would rather have a 28 (29) yr old mo than a 33 year old Donyell (if all other things are equal)...Obviously this comaprison doesn't take into account the fact that Marshall does carry a premium this year because of his contract.

Posted by Nalod:

Its funny when "layden" is bought up. Layden make Saddam look good!

Its like you can't get on Isiahs ass, without the "oh yeah, what about Shanden, Eyes, Knight, blah blah. Then Layden gets blamed for shoyt he didn't even do.

Looks to me like same old Knick bullshoyt no matter who is in the GM seat. The hopeful hype is greater than reality.

I'm not happy with Isiah because it's unlikely that he will be able to get a dominant big man in his prime, who has never been injured, any time soon, acquring Marbury is at odds with all his other moves.

Posted by simrud:

Ahm, Taylor goes till Houston.

Rose a yar PAST Houston.

JYD also a year PAST Houston.

Marbury and Craw are signed forever.

TT and Penny were here for 3 years counting next year.

Thats pretty damn long man.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by fishmike:

an ex alkie center that Isiah signed for $8mm. Its not like he replaced some Layden mistake. He replaced his own mistake with a bigger mistake. Maybe he will trade Mo Taylor and another draft pick for Adonal Foyal.

Was there ANY truth to the rumour tha signing Baker was a package deal to get Crawford to sign a favorable contract to get here since they share the same agent? I remember that going around for a little bit over the summer.

Fish...It is a second round pick! You can pick up a second round pick in this league for a future pick 100 years (exaggeration) down the road...We didn't give up an unprotected first round pick coming off a 20 win season......That has to be taken into perspective.

joe, if frank williams, deke, othella, and cezary can return a 24 year old jamal crawford, don't you think vin, moochie, #2 can yield something better than a non defensive playing 29 year old PF that likes to shoot?

Correction....those players netted us Crawford and an overpaid energy player...Frank WAS a promising PG at one time, Deke, Czary were expiring contracts,and the Bulls actually wanted Othella for his work ethic and attitude....

At Best, Vin, Mooch and a #2 can yeild us a player like Donyell Marshall at best...and I would rather have a 28 (29) yr old mo than a 33 year old Donyell (if all other things are equal)...Obviously this comaprison doesn't take into account the fact that Marshall does carry a premium this year because of his contract.

then why not wait till this offseason to make the deal?
why make it now with 4 PF's already on the roster?

this deal would still be available this summer.

we don't even know what would've been available. and now we'll never know b/c we have mo taylor.

if you truly believe that if we held on to these expiring deals, and waited this summer to see what was out there, and the best thing was mo taylor...and you still want him...then there's no point discussing this anymore.

btw, as for marshall...i would take him any day of the week over mo b/c marshall can play the 3. mo plays the 4 and ONLY the 4. marshall can play both AND hit the 3. with tim stinking it up all season, we coudlve used yell, especially in place of penny.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by fishmike:

Joe, in that case why not include Ariza instead? We can always just get another guy like him in the 2nd round. Its just another 2nd rounder.

Its not the pick or the players, its the philosophy. I had hoped after Layden we would stop doing 2 things: Stop including picks in trades and stop taking on players with BAD contracts; ie not giving production for what they are paid. Is Mo Taylor going to ruin the team? Probably not. Is the philosophy that brought Mo Taylor here going to ruin the team? It certainly can (its already ruined, at this point we are talking just delaying the recovery)

Fish for every Ariza there are 25 Steve Logans and Vonteego Cummings.

I agree I want Zeke to stick to one philosophy, but technically he really didn't veer to far from what he has been saying. He took on a younger big man and didn't touch any of our top 10 guys. Obviously Zeke has an eye for talent....is there a difference if he picks a guy in the second round, or if the guy slips through the draft and he signs him as a rookie FA?

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by joec32033:

Actually my perspective is if I have to eat crap, I want to get it over with as quickly as possible and if there is anything I can do to make the experience more pleasurable to me, I would do it.

JYD and Malik are the two players that are redundant. KT, Sweets, and Mo bring something different to the table, IMO.

I assume you aren't talking to me about Houston so I'll refrain from responding to that part.

if thats the case its still bad. Moochie and Vin would have just been gone at the end of next year. Now you have Mo Taylor for 2 more years. Thats more time to eat crap. No biggie, most Knick fans are used to it I know.

Its a bad way to build a team. Show me one other team anywhere in NBA history that has had success by bringing in overpaid underachieving players with long term deals. Its assanine to quote Clyde.