STOP TALKING ABOUT BRINGING OVER THE HILL FORMER STARS HERE!

He is 32!!!!!!!!!

Unless your trading Allan Houston for him- Stop!

All his numbers are going down

Posted by franco12:

STOP TALKING ABOUT BRINGING OVER THE HILL FORMER STARS HERE!

He is 32!!!!!!!!!

Unless your trading Allan Houston for him- Stop!

All his numbers are going down

We're giving up a more over the hill, less talented to begine with player in Kurt Thomas. You can't live by the rule "never trade for old players" without considering what you're giving up.

Posted by TMS:

when someone can come up w/a trade of KT for Dwayne Wade, let me know...until then, deal w/trade ideas like this because these are the only realistic options we have at this point.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.

And Finley's getting paid about 3x what KT is.

Not my money; I don't care

How long are we going to be maxed out cap-wise?

About another five thousand years, give or take two seasons

Finley is not the answer.

No one player has to be "the" answer; was a flawed (but good) player like Walker "the" answer in the long-term for Boston? Was a flawed (but good) player like Jamison "the" answer in Washington? No, these were both lottery or borderline playoff teams that needed more than just that one player to win a championship. However, when you can grab much more talent than you're giving up in a trade (especially without getting older), you have to do it. It will be *one of many answers* (or moves) that push you in the right direction.

We need to get younger, not older.

That's perfect; Finley plays like he's about ten years younger than Kurt!



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/17/2005 16:05:36]

Posted by TMS:

when someone can come up w/a trade of KT for Dwayne Wade, let me know...until then, deal w/trade ideas like this because these are the only realistic options we have at this point.

New York trades: PG Stephon Marbury (21.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 8.2 apg in 39.7 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.8 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.6 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (17.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.0 apg in 36.4 minutes)
PF Mike Sweetney (8.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.5 minutes)
SF Trevor Ariza (6.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.2 apg in 17.5 minutes)
New York receives: SG Eddie Jones (12.8 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.6 apg in 35.8 minutes)
SG Dwyane Wade (23.8 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 7.0 apg in 38.7 minutes)
PG Damon Jones (11.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 31.5 minutes)
C Michael Doleac (4.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 13.9 minutes)
SF Rasual Butler (6.2 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 18.4 minutes)
SG Dorell Wright (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes)
C Wang Zhizhi (2.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.1 apg in 4.2 minutes)
SG Shandon Anderson (4.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.7 minutes)
Jerome Beasley (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -2.0 rpg, and +0.7 apg.

Miami trades: SG Eddie Jones (12.8 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.6 apg in 35.8 minutes)
SG Dwyane Wade (23.8 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 7.0 apg in 38.7 minutes)
PG Damon Jones (11.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 31.5 minutes)
C Michael Doleac (4.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 13.9 minutes)
SF Rasual Butler (6.2 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 18.4 minutes)
SG Dorell Wright (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes)
C Wang Zhizhi (2.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.1 apg in 4.2 minutes)
SG Shandon Anderson (4.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.7 minutes)
Jerome Beasley (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Miami receives: PG Stephon Marbury (21.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 8.2 apg in 39.7 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.8 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 36.6 minutes)
SG Jamal Crawford (17.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.0 apg in 36.4 minutes)
PF Mike Sweetney (8.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 18.5 minutes)
SF Trevor Ariza (6.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.2 apg in 17.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and -0.7 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED....

You asked.......sorry...couldn't resist

[Edited by - joec32033 on 03/18/2005 00:18:28]

Josh Howard led the MAVS lastnight with 21pts/11rebs/2blks

Still think Ariza is better?

Josh Howard is about four years older than Ariza. Could Howard have put up the 11/4 in the NBA at age 19 that Ariza put up as a starter? Did Howard even put up those #s at 19 in college? Anyone comparing Howard to Ariza doesn't appreciate how impressive what Ariza is doing *at age 19.* He's basically putting up similar #s in similar playing time to what Kobe did at that age. Unless we get a star back, I'd rather just let Ariza develop.

(And no, I'm not saying Ariza will definitely be the next Kobe Bryant!)

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Josh Howard is about four years older than Ariza. Could Howard have put up the 11/4 in the NBA at age 19 that Ariza put up as a starter? Did Howard even put up those #s at 19 in college? Anyone comparing Howard to Ariza doesn't appreciate how impressive what Ariza is doing *at age 19.* He's basically putting up similar #s in similar playing time to what Kobe did at that age. Unless we get a star back, I'd rather just let Ariza develop.

(And no, I'm not saying Ariza will definitely be the next Kobe Bryant!)

i don't trust that ariza can do enough offensively to put up a consistent 11 & 4 since he not capable of going 1 on 1. He scores most of his points because of his speed like Camby as he drives through an open lane for a dunk or gets a putback dunk. Howard can do it all and he's a good passer and great defender whereas Ariza is too wirey.

but Ariza is 19......Howard is 23....Ariza may not even be done growing yet!

for me, the point from the start was that Howard helps this team improve sooner & is more of a sure thing...at least, from what i've seen of his game, that's what i feel in my gut...i think Ariza has some real nice qualities, but i also see alot of deficiencies in his game...i'm just not as certain that he'll reach his potential, whereas i think Howard is just about on the cusp of realizing his...i don't want to be sitting here talking about Ariza's potential 4 years from now while this team finishes in the lottery every year...i want to start winning games & competing for a championship...i think Josh Howard can be an integral piece in achieving that goal alot sooner than Ariza will...

just my opinion

Posted by TMS:

for me, the point from the start was that Howard helps this team improve sooner & is more of a sure thing...at least, from what i've seen of his game, that's what i feel in my gut...i think Ariza has some real nice qualities, but i also see alot of deficiencies in his game...i'm just not as certain that he'll reach his potential, whereas i think Howard is just about on the cusp of realizing his...i don't want to be sitting here talking about Ariza's potential 4 years from now while this team finishes in the lottery every year...i want to start winning games & competing for a championship...i think Josh Howard can be an integral piece in achieving that goal alot sooner than Ariza will...

just my opinion

a beautiful post! exactly what I was getting at! of course I still love Trevor Ariza but if a good trade surfaces then he's far from untradeable for all the reasons you brought up especially the fact that he's got so many holes in his game and its not a guarantee that he will become a good shooter and he'll bulk up and start taking people on 1 on 1.

Posted by Bonn1997:

What 19 year old other than Lebron doesn't have deficiencies? You could have looked at Kobe as a rookie putting up 7 PPG and 2 RPG and said "I don't know if this guy will improve. Let's trade him for a guy like Josh Howard."

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/18/2005 13:09:56]

kobe was a clear cut offensive talent. He was able to take on guys like Jordan 1 on 1. Same thing with Lebron. They were clear cut stars even at 18. Ariza is a nice project. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!