We have everythign IT has promised us????

I give up, your stupidity has no bounds.

let me get this straight...this guy can call me a moron and tell me to get zeke penis out of my face and I call someone a chump and get ambushed.

Oh, I see how it is now.

Simrod, everything you say is completely correct.

laydens knicks never quit (though van gundy ran for the hills)
we should fire Isiah ASAP and we should lose the rest of our games on purpose to get a top 5 pick.

My bad...I though this was a knick board, seems more like a Net board.

Have you ever said something positive or are you one of those divorced ex college athletes that blew out his knee and takes it out on real fans?

I don't feel the need to justify my support of the knicks, I think my posts speak for themselves.

hater.

A divorced college athlete??
hahahahahahaa

Man, how do you even come up with that for an insult.

Is that like the worst thign in the world to you, to be a former college athlet and divorced?

Man, you need help before you go complelty of your rocker.

as briggs said, we had our starting PG, PF, and C (arguable the 3 best players on the team) for most of the season and we were still 8-10 games under .500.

i constantly defended marbury on this site. and i constantly defended isiah on this site. but after what has gone down this past deadline, it's obvious to me that isiah is not the "genius" GM we need. he may turn out to be a decent one but we need a top flight GM to fix what is going on here.

payroll DOES matter and at some point, it needs to become manageable. and that doesn't mean get under the cap but at least manageable. how many times are we going to be using expiring deals only to take back nastier deals in the long run? how many times are we going to acquire players solely for the fact that they expire in a certain year (and not even next)?!?!? you all know how tough it is trying to trade a player making $10+ mil. if you have a roster of players making in the $5-8 mil range, then you have some type of flexibility moving them.

we have holes at every position, whether it's a starter or bench. those that support the trades and don't think the payroll is that important for now, this would've been my proposed plan:

1. not make ANY deals this deadline.
2. BUY a late 1st round pick (giving us both our pick around #6 and one in the 20's) and draft the best PF/SG/SF/PG in that order. and another player with the 2nd round, giving us 3 rookies.
3. see if nazr + vin + moochie can get you anything via a sign and trade (swift, kwame). if they can't, i buy out moochie. nazr is still a decent player with value and who's value can go up at the deadline. you keep vin around for some deadline trade flexibility (if there's a firesale).
4. see if you can get a young big via the MLE (gadz or hunter).

now you're looking at a roster like this:

steph
jamal
ariza
kurt/sweets
nazr
rookie 1
rookie 2
rookie 3
tim
penny
vin
MLE or LLE pickups

then you let tim and penny expire. if you can't parlay nazr and vin into anything, you can let them expire or resign nazr cheap (around $5 mil/year). now you're payroll in somewhere in the $80 mil range after next season.

you try to buy another pick in the 2006 draft and get two more rookies. so after that season, we now have the same unit, with 5 players drafted the previous 2 years, ariza, and sweets along with marbury, jamal, kurt and with h20 coming off the books, the cap is now around $65 mil range.

in the meantime if a firesale deal comes along, you make it. or you see what you have in sweets and the picks and make a draft day deal. the plans i just outlined all are viable and can happen without the two deals made last week.

at this point, my confidence in isiah is definitely being questioned. i'm still in a wait and see approach to see what he does this summer but if he's going to go all out and try to use a combo tim, penny, sweets and picks and try to get some "stud" player, it still doesn't guarantee our division b/c we still have so many holes to fill. that's not the route i want to take.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02/27/2005 10:57:52]

"I can't speak for everyone else, but my problem with Isiah is these days is the plan seems to change every day. What is the plan, exactly? "

Cryzups - other than the bleatings of the press....why are people so hung up on a "plan?"

What General Manager, in his right mind, exposes his so-called "PLANS" so the same competition he's forced to make deals wtih. The NBA is a high stakes poker game not some sewing circle of old ladies playing canasta. in their spare time

There is no freakin' plan.

The plan is to win.

Something don't work... you change it.

Exactly what Isiah is doing.

Sheesh

Exactly misterearl !!! you nailed it !!

When Isiah played the point ion Detroit he was ALWAYS looking ahead to how a play would develop. It's unfortunate, that for too many crybabies who can't see past their runny noses, that the amzing transformation (that most KNEW was impossible) has not only netted a competitive team AND

a bundle of attractive draft picks for the future.

NO ONE though you could do both. Certainly not Scott Layden who failed miserably. But when did people EVER display the evnom towards Layden in his first 14 months as the Knicks slid steadily downhill?

The hand-wringing over ever transaction is living proo there is absolutely NO patience for a total rebuiold in New York.

You CAN'T blow up a franchise

I DARE any poster to describe a more feasible 14 month plan given the Knicks (inheited ) Salary Cap.

Anyone.

It is hate because the press resents the salaries the players are paid. It resents the fact they ae stuck wrting about what they perecive as spoied, ignorant kids with one-dimensional skills and absolutely no right claim to such material riches. or attention

It is hate because most general market press resents African American leadership. Period.

Its the same media that depicts the new Mets in racial terms instead of improved talent.

It's just reality

No big deal.

Earl, I like your post. You bring up deep and smart issues. But I would point to a major factor that I think you're overlooking - personality dynamics. Isiah has always, and I mean always been a guy who provokes strong reactions from people. Coming out of high school, at Indiana U, all through his playing days in the NBA, and certainly in his career since. Drama, drama, drama always follows this guy. He's a fascinating guy to me and he always always kicks up a hell of a lot of dust around himself. I loved the Bad Boys, and one thing I always thought was cool was the pairing of Joe D with Zeke. I doubt there's been any bashing of Joe in Detroit as a GM just like there was never any controversy or provocativeness about him during his career. He's got a totally different personality and style than Isiah.

"personality dynamics. Isiah has always, and I mean always been a guy who provokes strong reactions from people.

Marv - thanks for the kind words. So, let's deal with Isiah a minute. Why does George Steinbrenner evoke similar "stroong reactions" but has never been characterized by personal insults?

Yes, the Yankees have won, and won big (WITTHOUT a Salary Cap I might add) but we're talking about personality right? In the immortal words of Allan Iverson, "not the game, not even practice, we're talkin' bout personality"

Strong reactions don't bother me one bit so long as Isiah is working the phones and able to garner the respect of his peers long enough to swing another deal.

This is New York. You are either strong or you gets trampled just walking down the sidewalk.

For that reason alone, Zeke is an an honorary New Yorker because he refuses to be trampled on by the same press that resents his confident smile. What else is there to hate? Hell, Knicks fans forgave Spree for choking PJ. and welcomed him with open arms.

Strong personality? Without question.

And Spree STILL gotta feed his kids.

But Spree was simply a basketball player and not an NBA executive.

Isiah is a walking target. I am just amazed at how many people buy into the lynchmob and don't have the patienece to watch a team evolve right before their bloodshot eyes.

The fact is the Knicks are better today than they were last week.

Nazr was tall, but a stiff. who blew FAR too many inside shots. He improved from his days in Atlanta (where I watched him) but not enough for Isiah to take him into the future. No big deal, You gots to go son. It's business.

Besides, since when was having a strong personality in New York a crime?

I STILL dare anyone to present a better 14 month plan for the Noo Yawk Knicks.....

I double dog dare you.



[Edited by - misterearl on 02/27/2005 11:50:51]

Posted by misterearl:

Why does George Steinbrenner evoke similar "stroong reactions" but has never been characterized by personal insults?

Earl, I remember GS getting hammered mercilessly. He was as vilified and hated and showered with personal insults as GWB is now by us blue-staters . When he pulled that sh#t with the illegal contributions to the Republican party and got suspended, when he hired that moron goon to tail and nail Winfield, his BS with Billy Martin and Reggie, the guy was seen as the freaking anti-Christ! the 2 things that saved him were that smart baseball people finally overrode his idiotic decisions and that our culture became so money-obsessed and conservative.