We didn't get another no.1 in the Taylor trade. The Rose trade was not contingent on anything that happened in the Taylor trade. Why are people viewing this as a single entity? I'm happy with the Rose trade, but the Taylor trade was unnecessary, a bad deal and is being judged as such.

i look at it this way, this past summer, we used 4 expiring deals to get jamal crawford and jyd.

this deadline, we used 3 expiring deals AND a high 30's to low 40's 2nd round pick (which they would've been this summer) to get rose, mo taylor, and 2 late #1's.

that's not good enough for those expiring deals. i love those #1's, but i sincerely thought we could buy one (at probably a better position) and or at least buy a high #2 in the range (maybe 5-10 spots lower). i also sincerely thought we could've turned nazr+vin+cash into a sign and trade for swift or a frontcourt player that's DIFFERENT than what we had.

so now, instead of opening the spot up for sweets, we bring in 2 more players that play the same position, get rid of some nice chips (the same chips isiah keeps harping about, expiring deals) and 2 really late #1's which we may have been able to buy with strictly cash.

nazr is a legitimate deal, i can understand b/c of the picks coming back.

the mo deal i absolutely hate b/c $8 mil in expiring deals AND a #2 should get you a better player than mo taylor. a guy that's a soft PF. heck, we would've been better off BUYING out vin and moochie and just playing sweets - at least then we would've still had our #2. it makes no sense.

so now we're looking at tim and penny as the only expiring deals left, and with their bloated salaries, expect even NASTIER contracts to come back.

i made a post this morning on how i think the dolan's are going to start paring down the $$$'s. man, i couldn't have been more wrong.

we gave up 3 deals that would've been expiring in 2 months. the nazr deal, like i said, is palatable b/c we did get 2 #1's back. heck, i can't even remember any knick deal where we got a #1 back BUT that mo taylor deal was absolutely useless. what will he do for us? seriously. having the $8 mil in expiring deals this summer still would've given us some options. now we don't have any.

Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks gave up 0 expiring deals today. None of those contracts were expiring ones.
The 2nd round pick was originally Houston's and will probably be around #50, not late 30s.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02/24/2005 23:06:19]

Bonn's right it is the Houston's 2nd round pick that they gave us for Spoon so it should be in the late 40s so not as devastating.

Too expect a 1st round pick for Baker/Moochie is crazy even with Taylors contract

So why make the trade in the first place? Isiah doesn't even sound too optimistic about Mo T.

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Posted by Allanfan20:

So why make the trade in the first place? Isiah doesn't even sound too optimistic about Mo T.

because his contract will be a valuable trade commodity after the 2006 season because he will be in his expiring year!

If his contract that is expiring in 2006 is valuable isn't moochie and bakers contract more valuable because they expire in 2005? (The answer is YES). The only reason to pick up Taylor is for is talent - and that is a dubious reason at best.

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mister.earl - 9:31 AM ET February 25, 2005 (#426 of 426)

Dunce Cap

Predictible venom from Mitch Lawrence.

Silly people regarding the current Salary Cap with self-righteous indignation as if Isiah was spending their family life savings.

Read my lips, "it ain't YOUR money"



Then, on the other hand...

Energetic body language from Tim Thomas

The talent-level on Knicks roster rises with the contribution of Mo Taylor over Vin Baker and the professionalism of Malik Rose where Moochie Norris once roamed.

Steph and Jamal are still learning to play together as co-existant point guards with more crayons than they know what to do wtih. What happens once they figure it out?

Kurt is still a Knick.

Trevor Ariza is only 19

Mike Sweetney fights for the ball

And there are two first round draft picks for Isiah to demonstrate he knows what he's looking at when he's looking at potential big men.

Knicks win.

What's the problem?

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mister.earl - 9:31 AM ET February 25, 2005 (#426 of 426)

Dunce Cap

Predictible venom from Mitch Lawrence.

Silly people regarding the current Salary Cap with self-righteous indignation as if Isiah was spending their family life savings.

Read my lips, "it ain't YOUR money"



Then, on the other hand...

Energetic body language from Tim Thomas

The talent-level on Knicks roster rises with the contribution of Mo Taylor over Vin Baker and the professionalism of Malik Rose where Moochie Norris once roamed.

Steph and Jamal are still learning to play together as co-existant point guards with more crayons than they know what to do wtih. What happens once they figure it out?

Kurt is still a Knick.

Trevor Ariza is only 19

Mike Sweetney fights for the ball

And there are two first round draft picks for Isiah to demonstrate he knows what he's looking at when he's looking at potential big men.

Knicks win.

What's the problem?

What is the problem? OK, tell me one reason why we *HAD* to rush into a deal for Mo Taylor? What exactly is his function to the Knicks in these last 28 games that we had to take on 133mm in long term payroll for? You say it's not your money, but smart organizations*value* their money and we don't, that is why we have gone around in circles. Isiah said he would not commit sins of the past, and yet he sure did yesterday. I mean isnt there a posibility, a rather LARGE posibility that someone who doesnt play PF, where we now literally have 5 of them, would come available , OR could ve been used as conduits to move up in the draft. We lose the smaller ending contracts with this deal which makes us lose quite a bit of flexibility. Mo Taylor was not worth the extra money and flexibility. he is an undersized PF who doesnt play D. Is he better than Baker? yes! But you can say that about 95% of the league right now. Is Udonis Haslem better than Mo taylor? yes, will he make 10 mm over the next 3 years? NO the bottom line, just like Lenny Wilkens, just like the yadyayda talk, we do things to fast without thinking about it. its just something we didnt need.

Tim Thomas sure looked good last night. you know what Tim thomas sure looks good/great 10-20 times a year every year, but the problem is is there are 82 games. What did TT do diffrently last night that he hasnt done his entire career? he's a wildy inconsistent soft as touchy player.

Kurt is still a Knick--great, what is the Knicks record with him in the SL the last 5 years? he looked great last night against a team that was not willing to guard him. To bad he weighs 230 pounds and gets bthced around by real 5s. Wait until we play the next few games to see just what we have! Philly was predictable, we always beat them--but now we are goingt o play teams who give effort for 48 minutes with sizeable players.


I agree with the malik trade, I also think that the Taylor trade epitomoisez everything that is wrong with the current regime, they dont take the time to think.

i want just 1 person to explain to me why we needed to trade for mo taylor right now. One succinct response on why it was necessary yetserday? 1 person