Posted by MX25:

How can you guys like these trades? You act like Suns,Rockets and Spurs picks will be such great spots. They'll get fringe 1st rounders. Big deal. Draft picks are overrated when you have no centers,undersized pf's,no cap room and no chance of winning with this group of misfits.

Knicks are screwed for years.

The Rockets are barely holding on to the 7th seed in the west. Their pick should be, at worst, mid first round and possibly even a lottery pick if LA and Minnesota can pass them in the standings. Let's start rooting for Kobe and Garnett to play like MVPs

Solace: I like the deals, even though this guarantees we're not getting under the cap until the year after Allan Houston expires.

You and I are both in our mid 20s. If we both live to be 100, I still don't think we'll ever see the Knicks be under the cap.

That Spurs trade is horrible. It is absolutely horrible!! Malik isnt even that good!! Who will play center now? KT? We really didnt need to make the San Antonio trade.

Posted by MX25:

How can you guys like these trades? You act like Suns,Rockets and Spurs picks will be such great spots. They'll get fringe 1st rounders. Big deal. Draft picks are overrated when you have no centers,undersized pf's,no cap room and no chance of winning with this group of misfits.

Knicks are screwed for years.

MX25, you miss the big picture. Let me break it down for you.

First, let's say this year we finish with a terrible record and get a #6 pick. Next year we're bad again and get a #8. With me so far?

Now we trade Nazr and Brewer for Rose, the Suns 2005 first rounder (approx. #29 overall pick) and the Spurs 2006 first rounder (approx. #30 overall).

We trade Vin and Moochie for Taylor and the Rockets first rounder (approx. #20 overall).

So, pick-wise we have the following:
2005 Knicks pick (#6)
2005 Rockets pick (#20)
2005 Suns pick (#29)
2006 Knicks pick (#8)
2006 Spurs pick (#30)

Now then, between 2006 and 2015, we owe the Suns a pick to complete the Marbury trade. Well, in 2006 we now have the Spurs pick, likely the last pick of the first round. Now we use the Spurs pick to complete the Marbury trade. Done. The alternative is waiting a while to give the Suns their pick or using a pick we didn't want to give up. That's HUGE!

That leaves us with:
2005 Knicks pick (#6)
2005 Rockets pick (#20)
2005 Suns pick (#29)
2006 Knicks pick (#8)

Next, we can package picks together to move up in the draft OR package picks together with expiring contracts at the draft to get a superstar, if one becomes available. These are just possibilities.

Let's say we move up:

We could package #6 + #20 + #29 and get in the top three for a team looking to trade with us. Then we get a top 3 pick this year and the #8 next year.

Those are just a few scenarios for you. Yes, we're strapped down with bad contracts. What else is new? At least we're trying to push some youth in there to counteract this.

Also, I'm convinced Isiah will buy out Malik Rose, so that could be a big factor.

Rockets are actually the 6th seed, 1.5 ahead of Memphis, 2.5 ahead of the Lakers, 4.5 ahead of Minnesota and 6.5 ahead of Denver. They are pretty solidly in the playoffs and will likely yield us a low 20'3 to mid 20's pick as long as TMac or Yao don't get hurt.

That sucks if we don't get Houston's pick, I mean seriously if we don't get their first rounder I question why we did that deal.

I have very mixed feelings about this trade.Cant be unhappy about the draft picks but will it be worth taking on more baggage?

Right now its hard to guage whether this is a good deal or not because there are so many variables.

Isiah might try to trade up picks or package them in a deal or take them and try develop talent.He is all over the map with these deals,taking on larger contracts and getting picks.

We dont know how this deal will affect the final standings this season.Maybe they squeek into the playoffs,then we lose a possible high pick and are left with lower ones in what is not considered a very strong draft.Those picks might get us some real talent and Isiah does have an eye for it.

All I know is that this deal can go bad in so many ways and Isiah could have been more patient and gotten more rewards with less risk.
The plot thickens.....

Posted by s3231:

That sucks if we don't get Houston's pick, I mean seriously if we don't get their first rounder I question why we did that deal.

No no, we definately got a 1st rd pick from houston.

The Knicks also traded Vin Baker and Moochie Norris to the Rockets for Maurice Taylor and a first-round pick, Ford reports.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1998814

Posted by djsunyc:

i have no clue WTF is going on.

Lets hope the dust settles soon cause I am a little confused too.

I think people need to chill and wait til the Knicks game tonight to get the real details.