All the stars need to be aligned for TT to play good defense. He needs to try first which he does once in a blue moon, and even when he does it isn't very good. At least KVH tried. TT just doesn't care. To him, his contract is guaranteed so it need not be earned. There's no sense of pride whatsoever. KVH is not going to be shutting down Vince or LeBron, but at least you know he's going to try his best. I'll take a talentless choker who tries over a talented prima donna who's fugazy.

Nazy is far from quality too. He works hard, which is commendable, but he has proven that he, like Doleac is no answer to our frontcourt problems. I wouldn't give up a second rounder for him.

I was actually one of the proponents of the deal, but I'm now willing to admit it was a BAD deal. As for the original thread topic, if Marbury had anything to do with this, it is another sad indictment of his poor personality.

[Edited by - nykdunk on 02/18/2005 23:37:23]

i hope this signature trade is not reason why some say tank season for lottery picks

I am convince that Solace is somehow related to KVH or possibly is KVH. He is like a forgetten man in Terry Porter's world. Just some stiff taking up space. If you guys like to make fun of TT, why do you stop there. Why don't you repeat the stuff that K-Mart said about him, or Kidd, or Byron Scott, or Marbury. Also Solace you want to trade Marbury but according to you, he put up big numbers with Marbury, so I don't understand your logic. BTW, I wouldn't quote, that Telfair book too much it has been discredited by so many people. It accuse Georgia Tech of trying to bribe him to come there, Paul Hewitt got the author to admit he wasn't able to check out the source. Several newspapers other than NY papers of course have discredit the book as not being supported. Bascially they are calling the author and the Telfairs a bunch of liars. Why would Marbury hide that he has let everyone else know what he thought of them before.

I don't know, Pharzeone1997.

I'd gladly be Keith Van Horn and take that sort of money. I'll say that. But something tells me if I was Van Horn, I wouldn't waste my time considering the amount of money I'd be making. Just a thought.

Truth is that we're terrible this year and this team has no future as-is. Like Van Horn or not, you can't deny that. Anyone who disagrees just isn't watching.

I buy that theory more, than he was out to get KVH out of here. Look don't get me wrong, I use to be a fan of KVH and TT when they first came in the league together. It was that whole, big men can do it all thing. But the truth of the matter is that both players have never live up to the their true potential. TT is soft but KVH is just as soft. Though I will say this, TT is a better late game player than KVH while KVH gets going in the 1st quarter. Don't know what to make of that. Just looking at ESPN stats, both players are near equal in stats. So it is a wash. Plus, I think KVH needs players to get him the ball much like H20. That is the problem I had with the KVH, Spree trade. That is the problem I had with TT just sitting out by 3 pointland when he first got here. KVH needs a slasher like Marbury to be very effective. Marbury hates players that need him to penetrate to get off their shot, that is the problem he has with KT, KVH and TT. He wears down like that. I mean I don't even understand KT, he doesn't even try to post up anymore. That is why Marbs love Sweet, Marion, Big Stout, Riz, they play the post, take the punishment or they slash to the basket for themselves.

Posted by Marv:

Well then maybe Marbs can get Craw to move more without the ball, cut towards the hoop. Then find him.

That is something Herb should be doing during the first quarter of these games. Turning Crawford into a slasher at the start to make guys respect him early in the game and then in the third quarter have him shoot from the outside. Don't understand, why they just don't drill it into the young man, to mix it up early so the defense can't adjust to you late. I mean, he is the rare talented player who can play a traditional 1, 2, and swingman without trying to do so. Him and Riza are the two best slashers but everyone knows Riza jumper is spotty, so they just bare down and try to get a charge on him.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

The point is that Tim Thomas sucks and Marbury is a jerk and needs to be traded.



Yes, we would've been considerably better with a healthy Van Horn putting up 17 and 7. Next question.

If you're gonna live in the past rather than Van Horn's current abilities, then why not just pretend we have a 25/6/6 superstar named Penny Hardaway?

LOL

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Solace:

The point is that Tim Thomas sucks and Marbury is a jerk and needs to be traded.



Yes, we would've been considerably better with a healthy Van Horn putting up 17 and 7. Next question.

If you're gonna live in the past rather than Van Horn's current abilities, then why not just pretend we have a 25/6/6 superstar named Penny Hardaway?

I can't argue with broken logic, Bonn. I submit to the powers of anti-logic. You and Pharzeone can form a clan: dumb and dumber.