Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by raven:

Posted by joec32033:


The one major risk is that the Knicks would be sacrificing defense. Kurt Thomas, a natural power forward, is the team's best low-post defender.

that is a true joke. we stop nobody, so i really don't know what we could lose here.

I still think that KT's defense is sooo overrated.

I agree. Opposing players are shooting around 55% against Kurt. It's because he has such slow feet; everyone can get by him easily. He's our WORST man-to-man defender among the PFs who get playing time (Kurt, JYD, and Sweetney). The team would be better on defense if JYD or Sweetney or Marshall (if we got him) started at PF.

Ok I have to stand up for Kurt. When this team was still capable of playing Defense Kurt was a big part of it. I really don't think his defense has changed. Kurt is not quick but he's tough and he hustles knows how to play team defense. I agree he does not have the physical ability to shutdown players one on one - his strength is playing defense within a system. But all good defensive teams play good team defense within a system and if we're ever going to be good we going to have to also.

I like JYD but I think the over-rated tag applies much more to him that KT. JYD is 31 and has been in the league a long time. He's a nice hustle player - but his game is more limited then KTS. Even though he's played on some bad teams only once as he gotten more then
28 minutes a game. He has never been a coveted asset and has been availabe to obtain at almost any point in his career. Do you think that's because all the GMS and coaches in the league don't recognize talent or maybe it's because he's only an OK player.

Sweets has potential - but sorry he is NOT a good defense player. He needs to learn how to play in the league and I think has slower feet then KT.

KT only shoots 15 footers because that's what he is capable of. I admit it would be nice if he could do more. But I would rather a player recognize his limitations and play within them. KT is not a great power forward but he's better then most posters give him credit for.

As far as this trade - it's noise. We won't be a good team until we have players who consistently play hard on defense and have discipline on offense. I don't see how this trade addresses either issue and there is no upside both these guys are 31 they're not improving.

If we become a really good team - not one of these guys would be a starter. And if that happens in a few years I'd much rather have Kurt coming off the bench at 7-8 mil a year then a discontented Rose at 16 mil.

Posted by gunsnewing:

thats a no brainer. of course KT is better than Jerome. I've said countless times how KT would be valuable to a team like San Antonio or Miami because he would spread the floor for Duncan and shaq. Jerome wouldn't have the same impact. It is all about the identity of the team. KT's game is so out of place here on this team. He really holds them back with his lack of athletism defensively and offensively. On a team like this you need an athletic shotblocker. Man I am sick of saying the samethings over and over again! ZEKE PLEASE MAKE THIS TEAM BETTER! I want to let the results do the talking. I'm only basing this team on it's 17-21 record! and guess who have been constant starters on these 30win mediocre high played teams of the past 3 years... Kurt Thomas and Allan Houston!!!! The fans and the front office overrated their abilities and now I have to suffer! they are nice players but they really hold us back because of their contract!

Posted by franco12:

Posted by gunsnewing:

It is all about the identity of the team. KT's game is so out of place here on this team. He really holds them back with his lack of athletism defensively and offensively. On a team like this you need an athletic shotblocker.

KT is not holding this team back- its the team holding the team back.

And instead of an athletic shot blocker, you could argue you need better defensive perimeter players.

And what identity? Its a bunch of players that were thrown together held together with duct tape- I applaud Isiah for the upgrade of the roster, but the team needs to come together and play as a unit with a will to win.

The 6-11 Marshall

Posted by diderotn:

The way it looks right now, there will not be any trade. Isiah is trying to play it safe, and he will even retain Lenny around until next season....Buckle up fans, we are in for an extrem bumpy ride.