Posted by fishmike:

move KT for Wally does a lot for us. It gets TT out of the starting line up. It give you a chance to look at Sweetney for 30 minutes a game which will be huge because your whole offseason is about upgrading the frontcourt.

Posted by diderotn:

That is the first good thing that you have said in a while....I still don't agree with you on that Lenny's subject...Trade can be good, but at what point do take a good look at the coach???? We've been in many games, but coaches' decision to either call the wrong play or sit a player down have hurt us greatly.....

Posted by fishmike:

move KT for Wally does a lot for us. It gets TT out of the starting line up. It give you a chance to look at Sweetney for 30 minutes a game which will be huge because your whole offseason is about upgrading the frontcourt.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by Pike:

codeunknown: I dunno how you can say that. Then again, I have concluded that TT is completely useless and getting rid of him would be considered addition by subtraction, if you get my point?





[Edited by - Pike on 01/07/2005 15:09:19]

Subtract TT. Adding Wally is the issue. The team improves only marginally.

How can you say that? Have you really been watching TT this year? I mean he almost reached Shandon Anderson proportions this year. Are you serious? Wally would hit 50% of those ope jumpers that TT misses. You have to remember that if TT was hitting his shos he would get many more of them. Theres a huge difference dawg. Its like filling an empty spot in the roster with a good player.

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by Killa4luv:


Its like the draft, you pick the best available player thats available when you are picking. We do this because we have other tradeable pieces. This is so obvious its crazy that this thread is so long.

Kurt has been on the block for years and we never got an offer for a player that was better than him and Wally is. You have to get him. KT wont get us a the big man we want.

Kurt is better than Szczerbiak. Without question. Superior defense, setting screens, rebounding, an equally valuable shooter in screen/roll offense. Szczerbiak is better than TT. With and only with shooting. There's no love lost between me and Kurt - but he has more value as a component and a trade asset.

We will just have to disagree on this one. Wally is younger and can put up big numbers. He makes smart decisions on the offensive end. He is a good scorer. It all depends on what you want. KT can hit the open jumper and grab defensive rebounds. We need points. KT is not the defensive answer for us. We need an athletic guy who can run with steph and jump and block or alter a shot. KT cannot do any of that. JYD can do what KT can do with way more energy, athleticism and intensity, but without the jumper.

Wally is a former all-star who is young and wants to play in NY. He could actually be our 2nd or 3rd scoring option and he makes TT totally expendable and available for an upgrade for another big man. As bad as our defense is our biggest problem is scoring. No one can carry the load. We have Steph and Craw, but we need another option and KT isn't it. Wally is one solution to that problem. We still have sweets, jyd, and Nazr down low. We would a greatly improved team with Wally at the 3 and JYD and sweets splitting minutes at the 4.

For me this is not even a question. And the alternative is what? Keep KT until his contract expires? Trade KT for the better player than wally-oh I forgot there is none. You just have to do this, we will all be happy when this trade happens and we are playing much better. When we score 30 something points in a half, it isn't just defense that is a problem.

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by Killa4luv:


Trade KT for the better player than wally-oh I forgot there is none.

KT has more value than Wally - the trade makes the team worse immediately and Wally is by no definition a long-term solution. But he's tied up for 5 years at 11 mil/year. There's no consistent argument for the trade.

Wally is not the same player on our roster as when he's googling wide open looks from a double-teamed Garnett. And, if for no other reason, you don't do this trade because now GMs are overly bullish on Wally - buy low.

Offense is a problem only because Crawford and Sweetney are injured. That hurts both units.

If KT has more value than Wally then why are GM's overly bullish on him?

And if KT has more value than Wally, who else is available for him? Who? Give me a name of a team that would give us a player that is better than Wally. Who else wants him?

BTW offense was a problem when Craw was healthy also.

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by Killa4luv:

If KT has more value than Wally then why are GM's overly bullish on him?

Because perception and reality are two different animals. Wally is playing well within a system - its clear that his production and value drop on our roster. Wally doesn't create his own shot - he's a receiver. And he's a defensive liability.

Players in Kurt's range - Curry, Brown, Chandler etc. Wally as a centerpiece isn't enough bait to catch a shoe. Kurt, alone or in a package, is a more valuable trade asset than Wally.

[Edited by - codeunknown on 01/09/2005 12:40:01]

You are seriously overating this guy. If that were so, why don't we have one of those guys? It would be a no brainer to trade him for any of the guys you mentioned. WHy not try KT and a pick and Vinny B and 3 mill cash for one of those guys? Why hasn't this been done? He is not worth that, and he is older (will be 34 this year) and has a 4 year contract!! Do you think someone is gonna trade a budding center who is 22 and at least has 10 years to improve for an aging role player who can't jump, or run, and has 4 ears left on his contract? If Kurt were worth that he would have been shipped out a long time ago for one of those young guys.


Wally is 27, a former all-star and is still not yet at his prime. He has a good 5-6 years left to perform at his highest level. If Wally could get the shots H20 is getting he would be great. H20 gets open looks, he just isn't healthy and isn't hitting them. And he can't really move to get himself open, or get by his defender and cause the defense to adjust. Wally can do those things. He can pass well, and I think he would fit well with our team, and Kurt gone would allow us to develop our young talent, Sweets and would also give JYD some much needed minutes.

I really don't see the argument for keeping an aging PF whose numbers and defense could be replaced by the 2 players on our bench. He isn't all that. I like KT he plays hard, but he would be much more valuable to a team that is making a push for championship, than to us on a team that is trying to rebuild itself.

I guess it depends on what teams are trying to do if they want long term or short term help. But Kurt isn't worth any of the players you mentioned. Not even close. Teams would want Nazzy and Sweets for those young bigs. And he is only avg 11 points a game. Curry already averages more than that and the others are close to it.