martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

Who also is a raging ant-semite

No he’s not

Obviously you aren't Jewish. Get informed.

Help me understand why you thing he is raging ant-semite.

Anyone can google this but i am surprised that more people on here are not aware of this, but here are some examples,

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-expresses-alarm-over-nyc-mayoral-candidate-zohran-mamdanis-continued-problematic-rhetoric

https://www.timesofisrael.com/what-nyc-mayor-elect-zohran-mamdani-has-actually-said-about-jews-israel-and-antisemitism/

https://lawler.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4782

https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/your-friends-and-neighbors-in-the-mamdani-era/

https://nypost.com/2025/11/05/us-news/anti-defamation-league-launches-mamdani-monitor-to-check-mayor-elects-administration-for-antisemitism/

I read the last 2 articles. They just label him something.

I can google. I want to know your opinion because what I understand does not match the rhetoric you are using or what the articles are saying at all. For me, those articles are flimsy at best.

The articles are stating quotes attributed to Mamdani. If you want to write off all the articles and quotes as flimsy then continue to stick your head in the sand and ignore it. Do you have any Jewish friends? Have you sat down and talked with anyone Jewish about this topic? I am sure there are a lot more people that could educate you better than I am doing, but the belief will be the same

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Ok, lets talk a few generalities.

Its a big leap to go from an assemblyman to Mayor. He had a staf of 6 people. Now he the mayor of the largest city in the USofA!
He in over his head? Lincoln? That old timey **** is not a good comp. Lets talk CEO. YOu think a divisional sales manager, who has but a staf of six is able to lead a major corp? If it was a public company it might be a breach of fiduciary duty by its board!!!!
No clear path for the internet but it was born from demand. Well it was grown basically from porn industry. LOL....but the success of it was not the internet itself, but those who leveraged with precision! Like Amazon. Sold books then CD's.....as the capacity grew, so did the offerings.

Mandami is the Mayor elect and I do with him well. Really. Thats the reality. I recall a Briggs statement of Trump to the tune of "hey, might as well try it, what can go wrong!".........even as Jewish man I am not phobic to Mandami being a muslim. I expect he'll uphold integrity and treat all properly. Shame on Fox and Trump for speaking otherwise. Mandami has pandered to enough to make one suspicious.

As for Trump? I have to use him as a baseline for voting and support from millions that I deem politically illiterate, or bsically naive his lies......but you can't rule that out becuase it exists. He lies. His base eats it up. The hypocrisy that exists is staggering to me! When Marjorie Taylor Green starts to make sense you know we have issues!

Trump has zero to do with what the mayor can do or what his prerogative will be. You keep looping back to a dead topic that has nothing to do with what is at hand in NYC. It's a side show act to this particular topic but you keep edging back there. Have at it.

Its not a dead topic given it speaks to voter ignorance. Many of Mandami's supporters think he will bring magic.
LIke Trump voters did. Like many who voted for Obama.
Thus, its relevant. Modern elections are full of style over subtance.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Ok, lets talk a few generalities.

Its a big leap to go from an assemblyman to Mayor. He had a staf of 6 people. Now he the mayor of the largest city in the USofA!
He in over his head? Lincoln? That old timey **** is not a good comp. Lets talk CEO. YOu think a divisional sales manager, who has but a staf of six is able to lead a major corp? If it was a public company it might be a breach of fiduciary duty by its board!!!!
No clear path for the internet but it was born from demand. Well it was grown basically from porn industry. LOL....but the success of it was not the internet itself, but those who leveraged with precision! Like Amazon. Sold books then CD's.....as the capacity grew, so did the offerings.

Mandami is the Mayor elect and I do with him well. Really. Thats the reality. I recall a Briggs statement of Trump to the tune of "hey, might as well try it, what can go wrong!".........even as Jewish man I am not phobic to Mandami being a muslim. I expect he'll uphold integrity and treat all properly. Shame on Fox and Trump for speaking otherwise. Mandami has pandered to enough to make one suspicious.

As for Trump? I have to use him as a baseline for voting and support from millions that I deem politically illiterate, or bsically naive his lies......but you can't rule that out becuase it exists. He lies. His base eats it up. The hypocrisy that exists is staggering to me! When Marjorie Taylor Green starts to make sense you know we have issues!

Trump has zero to do with what the mayor can do or what his prerogative will be. You keep looping back to a dead topic that has nothing to do with what is at hand in NYC. It's a side show act to this particular topic but you keep edging back there. Have at it.

Its not a dead topic given it speaks to voter ignorance. Many of Mandami's supporters think he will bring magic.
LIke Trump voters did. Like many who voted for Obama.
Thus, its relevant. Modern elections are full of style over subtance.

You think that the ideas and posture of Trump Obama Mayor elect are on the same scale? That why you keep bringing it up?

Every single politician has to have some flare to them to get elected. Every big idea is going to need to get funded big time with questions on how it’ll get paid for. Grouping Trump into Obama and the rest into one large pot gets you nowhere in discussion.

If you want to wail on about voter ignorance, that’s great, we got heapings of that in the USA. Help me understand how that ties back to grocery store idea. Otherwise you are dead ending pretty much everything.

BigRedDog wrote:

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

Who also is a raging ant-semite

No he’s not

Obviously you aren't Jewish. Get informed.

Help me understand why you thing he is raging ant-semite.

Anyone can google this but i am surprised that more people on here are not aware of this, but here are some examples,

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-expresses-alarm-over-nyc-mayoral-candidate-zohran-mamdanis-continued-problematic-rhetoric

https://www.timesofisrael.com/what-nyc-mayor-elect-zohran-mamdani-has-actually-said-about-jews-israel-and-antisemitism/

https://lawler.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4782

https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/your-friends-and-neighbors-in-the-mamdani-era/

https://nypost.com/2025/11/05/us-news/anti-defamation-league-launches-mamdani-monitor-to-check-mayor-elects-administration-for-antisemitism/

So he criticized an on going ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Same nonsense false dilemma fallacy republicans and the media have been pushing for 2 years. If you aren’t pro bombarding, blockading women and children you must hate Jews.

Of course there are many Jewish people here in America and throughout the world who are opposed to genocidal slaughter but let’s not talk about that.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Ok, lets talk a few generalities.

Its a big leap to go from an assemblyman to Mayor. He had a staf of 6 people. Now he the mayor of the largest city in the USofA!
He in over his head? Lincoln? That old timey **** is not a good comp. Lets talk CEO. YOu think a divisional sales manager, who has but a staf of six is able to lead a major corp? If it was a public company it might be a breach of fiduciary duty by its board!!!!
No clear path for the internet but it was born from demand. Well it was grown basically from porn industry. LOL....but the success of it was not the internet itself, but those who leveraged with precision! Like Amazon. Sold books then CD's.....as the capacity grew, so did the offerings.

Mandami is the Mayor elect and I do with him well. Really. Thats the reality. I recall a Briggs statement of Trump to the tune of "hey, might as well try it, what can go wrong!".........even as Jewish man I am not phobic to Mandami being a muslim. I expect he'll uphold integrity and treat all properly. Shame on Fox and Trump for speaking otherwise. Mandami has pandered to enough to make one suspicious.

As for Trump? I have to use him as a baseline for voting and support from millions that I deem politically illiterate, or bsically naive his lies......but you can't rule that out becuase it exists. He lies. His base eats it up. The hypocrisy that exists is staggering to me! When Marjorie Taylor Green starts to make sense you know we have issues!

Trump has zero to do with what the mayor can do or what his prerogative will be. You keep looping back to a dead topic that has nothing to do with what is at hand in NYC. It's a side show act to this particular topic but you keep edging back there. Have at it.

Its not a dead topic given it speaks to voter ignorance. Many of Mandami's supporters think he will bring magic.
LIke Trump voters did. Like many who voted for Obama.
Thus, its relevant. Modern elections are full of style over subtance.

A couple cheap grocery stores and possibly free buses is not “magic.”

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

Who also is a raging ant-semite

No he’s not

Obviously you aren't Jewish. Get informed.

Help me understand why you thing he is raging ant-semite.

Anyone can google this but i am surprised that more people on here are not aware of this, but here are some examples,

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-expresses-alarm-over-nyc-mayoral-candidate-zohran-mamdanis-continued-problematic-rhetoric

https://www.timesofisrael.com/what-nyc-mayor-elect-zohran-mamdani-has-actually-said-about-jews-israel-and-antisemitism/

https://lawler.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4782

https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/your-friends-and-neighbors-in-the-mamdani-era/

https://nypost.com/2025/11/05/us-news/anti-defamation-league-launches-mamdani-monitor-to-check-mayor-elects-administration-for-antisemitism/

I read the last 2 articles. They just label him something.

I can google. I want to know your opinion because what I understand does not match the rhetoric you are using or what the articles are saying at all. For me, those articles are flimsy at best.

The articles are stating quotes attributed to Mamdani. If you want to write off all the articles and quotes as flimsy then continue to stick your head in the sand and ignore it. Do you have any Jewish friends? Have you sat down and talked with anyone Jewish about this topic? I am sure there are a lot more people that could educate you better than I am doing, but the belief will be the same

So let’s actually read the content of the Times of Israel article. Mamdani says he supports the BDS movement- which is literally the only way to stop the genocide in Gaza. Israel is using our weapons and munitions to wholesale slaughter and starve women and children. Maybe we stop giving them these weapons unless they agree to stop.

Next up from the Times of Israel article. Mamdani says Israel has a right to exist. However, Mamdani never expressly and affirmative stated Israel should be a “Jewish State” and somehow that is anti-semetic. First off, the founders of Israel in 1948 founded Israel as a secular state, similar to the US. Second, Israel’s population is 20% Muslim (that does not even count Muslims residing in the West Bank or Gaza) and also has a significant population of Christians and Druze Arabs. Israel is a secular country based on its founding, constitution and demographics

So no, Mamdani is not an anti-Semite. If Mamdani really ever said anything anti-semetic the republicans and the media would be running with it.

All this is total BS. There is no genocide, Israel is NOT slaughtering or starving women and children. This is ALL PROPAGANDA.If you really believe this then I have nothing to discuss with you. Hamas slaughtered women and children. Hamas burned babies in ovens. Hamas sexually abused hostages. Get educated.

You’re delusional. The October 7th attack which had 1,700 victims doesn’t excuse 100,000+ civilians being killed and starved to death.

Just like 9/11 didn’t excuse the Iraq War

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

martin wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

Who also is a raging ant-semite

No he’s not

Obviously you aren't Jewish. Get informed.

Help me understand why you thing he is raging ant-semite.

Anyone can google this but i am surprised that more people on here are not aware of this, but here are some examples,

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-expresses-alarm-over-nyc-mayoral-candidate-zohran-mamdanis-continued-problematic-rhetoric

https://www.timesofisrael.com/what-nyc-mayor-elect-zohran-mamdani-has-actually-said-about-jews-israel-and-antisemitism/

https://lawler.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=4782

https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/your-friends-and-neighbors-in-the-mamdani-era/

https://nypost.com/2025/11/05/us-news/anti-defamation-league-launches-mamdani-monitor-to-check-mayor-elects-administration-for-antisemitism/

I read the last 2 articles. They just label him something.

I can google. I want to know your opinion because what I understand does not match the rhetoric you are using or what the articles are saying at all. For me, those articles are flimsy at best.

The articles are stating quotes attributed to Mamdani. If you want to write off all the articles and quotes as flimsy then continue to stick your head in the sand and ignore it. Do you have any Jewish friends? Have you sat down and talked with anyone Jewish about this topic? I am sure there are a lot more people that could educate you better than I am doing, but the belief will be the same

So let’s actually read the content of the Times of Israel article. Mamdani says he supports the BDS movement- which is literally the only way to stop the genocide in Gaza. Israel is using our weapons and munitions to wholesale slaughter and starve women and children. Maybe we stop giving them these weapons unless they agree to stop.

Next up from the Times of Israel article. Mamdani says Israel has a right to exist. However, Mamdani never expressly and affirmative stated Israel should be a “Jewish State” and somehow that is anti-semetic. First off, the founders of Israel in 1948 founded Israel as a secular state, similar to the US. Second, Israel’s population is 20% Muslim (that does not even count Muslims residing in the West Bank or Gaza) and also has a significant population of Christians and Druze Arabs. Israel is a secular country based on its founding, constitution and demographics

So no, Mamdani is not an anti-Semite. If Mamdani really ever said anything anti-semetic the republicans and the media would be running with it.

All this is total BS. There is no genocide, Israel is NOT slaughtering or starving women and children. This is ALL PROPAGANDA.If you really believe this then I have nothing to discuss with you. Hamas slaughtered women and children. Hamas burned babies in ovens. Hamas sexually abused hostages. Get educated.

You’re delusional. The October 7th attack which had 1,700 victims doesn’t excuse 100,000+ civilians being killed and starved to death.

Just like 9/11 didn’t excuse the Iraq War

Israel isn't starving anyone. Hamas is blocking aid to the people and stealing the food. Get educated. This is the last response I will have on the topic. It is apparant that you are ignorant and not willing to learn the truth. If 41,000 Americans (same % of Israelis killed) were killed by some terrorist group in one day, what do you think Americas response would have been? Again 41,000 Americans in ONE day??? We would have done anything needed to assure that this would never happpen again.

Israel’s military is currently blockading Gaza. Repeat whatever delusional talking points you have heard. The goal of the Likud government in Israel is to annex the Gaza Strip and restart the Gush Katif settlements but on a much larger scale while forcibly displacing the entire population of Gaza which was 2.2 million people but is now down to maybe around 1.8 million. That is ethnic cleansing and I am sorry if I disagree with that I believe ethnic cleansing of any group under any circumstances is morally repugnant.

Anyway I thought this thread was about how a couple city operated grocery stores and rent freeze was going to cause the end of the world.

Nalod wrote:Since 2001, Palestinian militants have launched tens of thousands of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip as part of the continuing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The attacks, widely condemned for targeting civilians, have been described as terrorism by the United Nations, the European Union, and Israeli officials, and are defined as war crimes by human rights groups Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. The international community considers indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets to be illegal under international law. Palestinian militants say rocket attacks are a response to Israel's blockade of Gaza, but the Palestinian Authority has condemned them and says rocket attacks undermine peace.

The blockade is to thwart the importation of guns and rockets given by Iran to both Hamas and Hezbolah in Lebanon.
The Palestinian refugees who live in Gaza, as others left Isreal decades ago thinking they would return and isreal/jewish population would be "driven into the sea". Then and now they are victims of failed and currpt regimes who use women and childrens as shields while they sling rockets into civilian territories.
Many tunnels dug were found over years. Some by schools as plans were to murder children. Some are wide enough to drive vehicles thru and miles long. Those are expensive BTW. Money not spend on its people.

Im not saying isreael as a gov't has been totally pure. its policy of expansion into territories on the West bank has not been always honest.

Know your history/timeline before pointing and accpeting rehtoric about who is the rightful owners of the lands.

The corrupt regimes that "govern" as a sovereign entitty called Hammas has opressed its people and sees them as pawns to sacrifice for the destruction of Israel an its population.

The scorecard of Gazan's killed is awful but understand they launch rockets and house its military leaders in hospitals and amung civilians knowing Isreael will at exhaust all other efforts but then be forced to attack them. We all love the underdog and for decades Israel, who gained its independance in 1947 (remember why?) in a land with no formal government from british occupation and drew the ire of the arab world. No Oil, no natural resources, and no agri base yet. Petty tribal jelousey in the Arab world blame isreael and the jews for many of their own failures to provide for its people. This has more or less been eliminated over time. Only Iran reamains the last aggressor. Israel has made its peace with its neighbors who are focused on doing other things in modern times.

As yourselves what would be gained from Israel who won those lands in wars they did not start and gave back territories in the name of peace? There is no oil. Then look at what Iran has installed in Lebanon and Gaza and the activities there? How they treat women and children? Look at the money to dig tunnels and buy missiles vs. spending on health care/education/economic expansion and the ask WTF? Look at peace treaties and economic trade with others. Look at Hamas leders living abroad in luxury telling the NY Times they see the sacrifice of 60,000 civilians as an accpetable price to get the message out. What message? That israel thwarts their freedom becuse they dig tunnels and launch rockets? How does Israel trust a neighbor whose charter includes its death and destruction?

I’m in agreement w Nalod.

The ignorance and illogic on this topic are staggering. Media will literally do anything for clicks and many are gullible

I lost count but just want to remind people that Palestinians have rejected two state solutions like 8 times. Just for ****s and giggles look back at what Clinton has said on this. Even when offered the ability to identify territory they have rejected it and its promise of a permanent peace. And speaking of blockade again for ****s and giggles google the wall Egypt has at the southern border of Gaza — it looks like a scene from a zombie apocalypse movie. Also consider Jordan’s policies on West Bank Palestinians. Palestinian leadership has created such a death cult that even former kindred spirits don’t trust them (same is true in Lebanon). And regarding the demolition of Gaza many people appear ignorant on certain facts. At the beginning of the conflict Israel attempted to enter tunnels. Hamas started to trigger body traps to thwart that. After that Israel started to target and bomb buildings covering/ hiding those entrances but would only do so after repeated messaging to evacuate buildings and leave areas. Is anyone seriously going to argue that Israel should leave such tunnels intact? I feel horrible about the misery and lost generations of Palestinian people but they’re blaming the wrong people, as Nalod alludes to. They have corrupt and/or suicidal maniacs for leadership.

Regarding the mayor elect, I wish no misery on NYC. I struggle however to find anywhere in the world where these policies worked or ultimately benefitted the intended —- even when people’s lives literally depended on it, and even in situations where the party in power literally controlled the media and narrative and could promote whatever they wanted as “factual”. So for NYers sake I hope they work well enough this time but I’m beyond skeptical. and for sure I 100% agree the problems at center are real and critical. I just doubt this solution

American Jews vs. Israel Jews is complicated. The Zionist movement has a very ugly taint to it but the core was by any means necessary create a homeland were those persecuted could go to and be safe. This was before world war 2. The war itself gave a sense of urgency that if the world powers would not grant it then it has to be taken.

Fast foward 80 years there and in the UN world views on Jew are still rather poluted. "Gee, given there is so much hate to them there must be something to it"? This is something that has permiated for centuries.

Israel is a nuclear power with a formitable defense. They are not the darling underdogs of the mid 1900's and the college elite campus strategically donates to put radical professors on arabic studies subjects that are funded by arab soverign wealth (See Harvard) likes the underdog, and thus gravitates to a cause for sympathy to Palestinians. There are not any indiginous Palistineians by the way. The refugees were implored to leave for years by neighboring arab nations. They lived in awful conditions waiting for the demise of Isreal. I did not occur.

Isreael invested in infrastructure and created productive industry/technology while agriculture and a nationa pride also flurished, . They, like the U.S. and Caanada are true melting pots of culture. They are also tribal as were are with internal political differences. Its not easy there.

American jews don't all agree on things either. Many are upset with the current leadership that dropped the ball on job one: The security of its citizens, That they were dragged into a dumpster fire to begin with. This with Trumpian like scandals and movement of hard right taking power. Hamas is clever to use the division, and those negative images of there people suffering and want to let the rest of the UN and far left U.S. do its work to weaken Israel. For that many jews alone see trump as an ally for Israels survival. We can surmise Trump could care less about his jewish grand children but he knows the the evangelical will back him and defend israel as its part of the end of days rapture thing that others can better explain.

Why Mandami? Is also a vote against christian nationalism. Its all very complicated. I have jewish friends that voted for Trump. They have their reasons. Its not all for one or the other.

I hope Mandami is above it all and is centric to NYC by not creating any more divisions amung jews and Arabs.

New york city has 2.1 Million Jews. That is 10% of the worlds population!
Mandami is the cheif executive. We not talking about his effect on Israel but his effect NYC citizens.
We can be coy about it but folks like to be think their elected officials are with them. This is a first for many.
It should not matter, but at the same time it does. Its complicated.

Philc1 wrote:

The govt run grocery store idea is very realistic, practical and already exists throughout the country and really world since DECA operates in almost all 50 states, Puerto Rico as well as Germany and Japan.

It gets $1.6bn in subsidies annually. If a supermarket chain lost $1.6bn every year, it would be out of business soon enough. Even if it were not run for profit.

Practical my ass.