LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Don’t understand the exploratory of course until next year?

Seems very plausible to me Greek could makes things go south for Bucks quick if he wants out.

Fact this came out right now makes me believe this was Greeks camp leaking the news.

Bucks wouldn’t want it out and it only stands to potentially disrupt Knicks if guys start looking over their shoulder.

We’ve been waiting for years for a guy to say I only want NY and it seems the Greek just did that. Throw in his comments the other day where Bucks owner said he & Greek had met but Greek followed that up and said I don’t recall any meeting/conversation.

This feels real and given fact we’ve already been given an exclusive Knicks only chance to toss trade scenarios around things could go quickly if Greek forces a bit more. Apparently he;s already moved his family out of Milwaukee (back to Greece) — could be he knows things could get testy short term.

We shall see I guess but if I’m an athlete with limited years in my body I wouldn’t want to wait extra years risking injury if I had the ability to force my way out now.

Giannis does not have leverage this year, meaning Bucks management can just turn to OKC Houston where those teams would have the rest of the season, the offseason, and the following season to arrange direct flights to Athens for him via private jet. Done and done for Bucks.

I don't think it's plausible that someone like Ginannis would purposely make it difficult for the Bucks. What would you expect him to do? Tank? I just dont see that in his personality and competitiveness.

I'm just saying it already seems to be heading the wrong way for Bucks.

Entire NBA has been monitoring Greek situation, now his camp (IMO) leaks this news NOW (why?). Just the other day Greek contradicts his owner regarding a supposed discussion the 2 had. Moving the family out seems like another clear signal he's getting ready to butt heads with Bucks.

It all depends on where Greek is mentally -- has he already been pushing privately for Bucks to move him? Is NY the only place he wants?

Would it be out of the question for Greek to come down injury that starts keeping him out of games? I don't know. I know there is all kinds of talk about character but many on here would swear by Carmelo and he made things very difficult on Nuggets.

Wishful thinking on my part - probably

I thought that Giannis leaked but not sure

Yes - I think Giannis as well or maybe Knicks with Giannis back channel approval —- timing is very odd if we are talking about next summer.

What I find interesting is I’ve seen Sham’s on 2 different shows specifically reference the 20-25 game mark will be highly important. That earlier timeline vs say the trade deadline sounds like someone specifically gave that (20-25 games) # to Sham’s.

Let’s say a trade we’re going to go down —- for me I think Bridges might be the better fit next to Jalen/Giannis vs OG.

More versatile, less injury history vs OG and to a degree Giannis overlaps a bit defensively with OG. Feel like Bridges could be better 3rd wheel vs OG (no slight on OG). Also possible if say deal centered around Kat/OG that a Kuzma, Portis or Green kid from Milwaukee might be coming back as part of deal to fill some PF minutes if OG is sacrificed.

Hopefully this doesn’t derail Knicks mindset going into season - could see guys looking over their shoulders right now thinking about winters in Wisconsin.

We may also find it strangely coincidental that 25 games lines up exactly when trade restrictions come off (12/15) for most of the Bucks roster, including Miles Turner and Bobby Portis. Could just be good timing too.

newyorknewyork wrote:Knicks have a ton of leverage here. Knicks are already strong contenders. Knicks can operate with a take it or leave it mindset with Kat, Deuce, Mitch and other smaller assets.

Been a loooooooooong time coming for Knicks to be in this type of position.

We really do have a lot of leverage. KAT, Deuce, a couple future picks is a fair offer definitely better than the bag of balls the lakers will be offering next feb that ESPN will be pretending is legitimate

I wonder if the Brogdon signing was a signal by Rose to Giannis.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Don’t understand the exploratory of course until next year?

Seems very plausible to me Greek could makes things go south for Bucks quick if he wants out.

Fact this came out right now makes me believe this was Greeks camp leaking the news.

Bucks wouldn’t want it out and it only stands to potentially disrupt Knicks if guys start looking over their shoulder.

We’ve been waiting for years for a guy to say I only want NY and it seems the Greek just did that. Throw in his comments the other day where Bucks owner said he & Greek had met but Greek followed that up and said I don’t recall any meeting/conversation.

This feels real and given fact we’ve already been given an exclusive Knicks only chance to toss trade scenarios around things could go quickly if Greek forces a bit more. Apparently he;s already moved his family out of Milwaukee (back to Greece) — could be he knows things could get testy short term.

We shall see I guess but if I’m an athlete with limited years in my body I wouldn’t want to wait extra years risking injury if I had the ability to force my way out now.

Giannis does not have leverage this year, meaning Bucks management can just turn to OKC Houston where those teams would have the rest of the season, the offseason, and the following season to arrange direct flights to Athens for him via private jet. Done and done for Bucks.

I don't think it's plausible that someone like Ginannis would purposely make it difficult for the Bucks. What would you expect him to do? Tank? I just dont see that in his personality and competitiveness.

I'm just saying it already seems to be heading the wrong way for Bucks.

Entire NBA has been monitoring Greek situation, now his camp (IMO) leaks this news NOW (why?). Just the other day Greek contradicts his owner regarding a supposed discussion the 2 had. Moving the family out seems like another clear signal he's getting ready to butt heads with Bucks.

It all depends on where Greek is mentally -- has he already been pushing privately for Bucks to move him? Is NY the only place he wants?

Would it be out of the question for Greek to come down injury that starts keeping him out of games? I don't know. I know there is all kinds of talk about character but many on here would swear by Carmelo and he made things very difficult on Nuggets.

Wishful thinking on my part - probably

I thought that Giannis leaked but not sure

Yes - I think Giannis as well or maybe Knicks with Giannis back channel approval —- timing is very odd if we are talking about next summer.

What I find interesting is I’ve seen Sham’s on 2 different shows specifically reference the 20-25 game mark will be highly important. That earlier timeline vs say the trade deadline sounds like someone specifically gave that (20-25 games) # to Sham’s.

Let’s say a trade we’re going to go down —- for me I think Bridges might be the better fit next to Jalen/Giannis vs OG.

More versatile, less injury history vs OG and to a degree Giannis overlaps a bit defensively with OG. Feel like Bridges could be better 3rd wheel vs OG (no slight on OG). Also possible if say deal centered around Kat/OG that a Kuzma, Portis or Green kid from Milwaukee might be coming back as part of deal to fill some PF minutes if OG is sacrificed.

Hopefully this doesn’t derail Knicks mindset going into season - could see guys looking over their shoulders right now thinking about winters in Wisconsin.

We may also find it strangely coincidental that 25 games lines up exactly when trade restrictions come off (12/15) for most of the Bucks roster, including Miles Turner and Bobby Portis. Could just be good timing too.

You pulling out the "grassy knoll theory" to support the "3rd shooter concept" on this one?

Knick’s voluntarily settle with Toronto. Conspiracy theory says that this is a precursor to the Bucks getting a #1 pick for trading Giannis to NY.

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Don’t understand the exploratory of course until next year?

Seems very plausible to me Greek could makes things go south for Bucks quick if he wants out.

Fact this came out right now makes me believe this was Greeks camp leaking the news.

Bucks wouldn’t want it out and it only stands to potentially disrupt Knicks if guys start looking over their shoulder.

We’ve been waiting for years for a guy to say I only want NY and it seems the Greek just did that. Throw in his comments the other day where Bucks owner said he & Greek had met but Greek followed that up and said I don’t recall any meeting/conversation.

This feels real and given fact we’ve already been given an exclusive Knicks only chance to toss trade scenarios around things could go quickly if Greek forces a bit more. Apparently he;s already moved his family out of Milwaukee (back to Greece) — could be he knows things could get testy short term.

We shall see I guess but if I’m an athlete with limited years in my body I wouldn’t want to wait extra years risking injury if I had the ability to force my way out now.

Giannis does not have leverage this year, meaning Bucks management can just turn to OKC Houston where those teams would have the rest of the season, the offseason, and the following season to arrange direct flights to Athens for him via private jet. Done and done for Bucks.

I don't think it's plausible that someone like Ginannis would purposely make it difficult for the Bucks. What would you expect him to do? Tank? I just dont see that in his personality and competitiveness.

I'm just saying it already seems to be heading the wrong way for Bucks.

Entire NBA has been monitoring Greek situation, now his camp (IMO) leaks this news NOW (why?). Just the other day Greek contradicts his owner regarding a supposed discussion the 2 had. Moving the family out seems like another clear signal he's getting ready to butt heads with Bucks.

It all depends on where Greek is mentally -- has he already been pushing privately for Bucks to move him? Is NY the only place he wants?

Would it be out of the question for Greek to come down injury that starts keeping him out of games? I don't know. I know there is all kinds of talk about character but many on here would swear by Carmelo and he made things very difficult on Nuggets.

Wishful thinking on my part - probably

I thought that Giannis leaked but not sure

Yes - I think Giannis as well or maybe Knicks with Giannis back channel approval —- timing is very odd if we are talking about next summer.

What I find interesting is I’ve seen Sham’s on 2 different shows specifically reference the 20-25 game mark will be highly important. That earlier timeline vs say the trade deadline sounds like someone specifically gave that (20-25 games) # to Sham’s.

Let’s say a trade we’re going to go down —- for me I think Bridges might be the better fit next to Jalen/Giannis vs OG.

More versatile, less injury history vs OG and to a degree Giannis overlaps a bit defensively with OG. Feel like Bridges could be better 3rd wheel vs OG (no slight on OG). Also possible if say deal centered around Kat/OG that a Kuzma, Portis or Green kid from Milwaukee might be coming back as part of deal to fill some PF minutes if OG is sacrificed.

Hopefully this doesn’t derail Knicks mindset going into season - could see guys looking over their shoulders right now thinking about winters in Wisconsin.

We may also find it strangely coincidental that 25 games lines up exactly when trade restrictions come off (12/15) for most of the Bucks roster, including Miles Turner and Bobby Portis. Could just be good timing too.

Possible moves have crossed my mind since the news broke.
Knicks trade: Towns, Hart, Mitch, Dadiet, Kolek, Huk, McCullar and draft capital.
Bucks trade: Giannis, Turner, Portis.

Knicks: Turner, Giannis, OG, Mikal, Brunson
Bucks: Mitch, Towns, Kuzma, Hart, Porter Jr

Who is this Towns guy and what have you done with KAT?

I legit had to take a moment to figure that out. More coffee I guess

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Possible moves have crossed my mind since the news broke.
Knicks trade: Towns, Hart, Mitch, Dadiet, Kolek, Huk, McCullar and draft capital.
Bucks trade: Giannis, Turner, Portis.

Knicks: Turner, Giannis, OG, Mikal, Brunson
Bucks: Mitch, Towns, Kuzma, Hart, Porter Jr

I’d guess it may have to be a 3+ team trade. From Milwaukee’s perspective, that lineup may make sense but you are still left in the same roster and team position of having Mitch on an expiring, KAT with only 1 year left and Hart on a not very long term contract.

Doesn’t really move the organizational needle? Until that next shoe drops?

They would be able to decide if they want to move forward with building around KAT with the flexibility to do so. Or if not, Mitch & Hart would net them 1st rounders in deals to contenders sold seperately.

KAT could probably be worked in a deal to the Raptors if they decided he wasn't the guy they wanted to move forward with. Or he displayed he wasn't looking to resign there. With Scottie Barnes being the centerpiece.

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Possible moves have crossed my mind since the news broke.
Knicks trade: Towns, Hart, Mitch, Dadiet, Kolek, Huk, McCullar and draft capital.
Bucks trade: Giannis, Turner, Portis.

Knicks: Turner, Giannis, OG, Mikal, Brunson
Bucks: Mitch, Towns, Kuzma, Hart, Porter Jr

I’d guess it may have to be a 3+ team trade. From Milwaukee’s perspective, that lineup may make sense but you are still left in the same roster and team position of having Mitch on an expiring, KAT with only 1 year left and Hart on a not very long term contract.

Doesn’t really move the organizational needle? Until that next shoe drops?

They would be able to decide if they want to move forward with building around KAT with the flexibility to do so. Or if not, Mitch & Hart would net them 1st rounders in deals to contenders sold seperately.

KAT could probably be worked in a deal to the Raptors if they decided he wasn't the guy they wanted to move forward with. Or he displayed he wasn't looking to resign there. With Scottie Barnes being the centerpiece.

I won’t belabor this, but it’s the same position that they are in today with Giannis and he is much better, albeit a year older, but they don’t even know KAT or his long term intentions of staying and so would find themselves behind the 8ball again?

So it really doesn’t move the needle for the org just shuffles the deck? If KAT were 25, I could understand the context of that scenario.

To begin with, the only play Knicks have always had was if Giannis forced the issue and demanded it be the Knicks. On top of that the Knicks are already contenders. They will negotiate from the position that they don't have to make a deal with the Bucks. They will be just fine as is contending for a championship over the next few years.

From there it comes down to if the Bucks are looking to build with KAT or involve a third team swapping KAT out for a younger player like Scottie Barnes for example.

So hypothetically they could get direct draft capital from the Knicks, Swap KAT out for say Barnes & RJ. As well as flipping Hart & Mitch into draft capital. As well as the other add ins in Kolek, Dadiet, Huk, McCullar.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Don’t understand the exploratory of course until next year?

Seems very plausible to me Greek could makes things go south for Bucks quick if he wants out.

Fact this came out right now makes me believe this was Greeks camp leaking the news.

Bucks wouldn’t want it out and it only stands to potentially disrupt Knicks if guys start looking over their shoulder.

We’ve been waiting for years for a guy to say I only want NY and it seems the Greek just did that. Throw in his comments the other day where Bucks owner said he & Greek had met but Greek followed that up and said I don’t recall any meeting/conversation.

This feels real and given fact we’ve already been given an exclusive Knicks only chance to toss trade scenarios around things could go quickly if Greek forces a bit more. Apparently he;s already moved his family out of Milwaukee (back to Greece) — could be he knows things could get testy short term.

We shall see I guess but if I’m an athlete with limited years in my body I wouldn’t want to wait extra years risking injury if I had the ability to force my way out now.

Giannis does not have leverage this year, meaning Bucks management can just turn to OKC Houston where those teams would have the rest of the season, the offseason, and the following season to arrange direct flights to Athens for him via private jet. Done and done for Bucks.

I don't think it's plausible that someone like Ginannis would purposely make it difficult for the Bucks. What would you expect him to do? Tank? I just dont see that in his personality and competitiveness.

I'm just saying it already seems to be heading the wrong way for Bucks.

Entire NBA has been monitoring Greek situation, now his camp (IMO) leaks this news NOW (why?). Just the other day Greek contradicts his owner regarding a supposed discussion the 2 had. Moving the family out seems like another clear signal he's getting ready to butt heads with Bucks.

It all depends on where Greek is mentally -- has he already been pushing privately for Bucks to move him? Is NY the only place he wants?

Would it be out of the question for Greek to come down injury that starts keeping him out of games? I don't know. I know there is all kinds of talk about character but many on here would swear by Carmelo and he made things very difficult on Nuggets.

Wishful thinking on my part - probably

I thought that Giannis leaked but not sure

Yes - I think Giannis as well or maybe Knicks with Giannis back channel approval —- timing is very odd if we are talking about next summer.

What I find interesting is I’ve seen Sham’s on 2 different shows specifically reference the 20-25 game mark will be highly important. That earlier timeline vs say the trade deadline sounds like someone specifically gave that (20-25 games) # to Sham’s.

Let’s say a trade we’re going to go down —- for me I think Bridges might be the better fit next to Jalen/Giannis vs OG.

More versatile, less injury history vs OG and to a degree Giannis overlaps a bit defensively with OG. Feel like Bridges could be better 3rd wheel vs OG (no slight on OG). Also possible if say deal centered around Kat/OG that a Kuzma, Portis or Green kid from Milwaukee might be coming back as part of deal to fill some PF minutes if OG is sacrificed.

Hopefully this doesn’t derail Knicks mindset going into season - could see guys looking over their shoulders right now thinking about winters in Wisconsin.

We may also find it strangely coincidental that 25 games lines up exactly when trade restrictions come off (12/15) for most of the Bucks roster, including Miles Turner and Bobby Portis. Could just be good timing too.

You pulling out the "grassy knoll theory" to support the "3rd shooter concept" on this one?

Knick’s voluntarily settle with Toronto. Conspiracy theory says that this is a precursor to the Bucks getting a #1 pick for trading Giannis to NY.

Only if Bucks were Lakers

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets not forget the Nets also play in NYC!
Sean Marks does have a talent for doing things one don't expect.
If Giannis wants to leave their mother too comes aboard?

I think the first qualification would be a championship level team, otherwise he can just stay with Bucks get a fat extension in Milwaukee?

It would be their best option if Milwaukee wants all of the Knicks 1st rd draft picks

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets not forget the Nets also play in NYC!
Sean Marks does have a talent for doing things one don't expect.
If Giannis wants to leave their mother too comes aboard?

I think the first qualification would be a championship level team, otherwise he can just stay with Bucks get a fat extension in Milwaukee?

It would be their best option if Milwaukee wants all of the Knicks 1st rd draft picks

Good take!!!

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets not forget the Nets also play in NYC!
Sean Marks does have a talent for doing things one don't expect.
If Giannis wants to leave their mother too comes aboard?

Brooklyn does have the cap space and capital to attempt an quick build around Giannis. They would have about a year and a half to pull it off though before he just signs with the Knicks as a FA.

Brooklyn would also be a possible 3rd team option for KAT.

Again, its all just speculation. Personally I'd rather he be a Net then a Laker and I'd rather have a fun in division rivalry then just simple beat down of Nets. I don't hate the Nets. Im in the camp of NY first so if not Knicks, im sure as **** not pulling for Celtics! In fact if not knicks, i"d rather see Nets beat celtics anytime!!!! I don't live in NY now for a very long time so this inter borough thing don't bother me a bit.
I find far more enjoyment in my team winning then another losing.

Im not putting much intelectual capital to figure it all out. I like our team right now. Lord knows if Leon can figure a way to get Giannis here and contend I can imagine he'd do it.