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Nalod
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9/12/2025  9:26 AM
The most recent reports implicatoing Wong to this becomes very compelling to the court of public opinion but like most things regarding professional leagues we draw conclusions and insist conspiracy to not disclose full details.
What fan base loves its commish?
Fans love the game and in a way an emotional ownership of it. We accuse the league and its its owners putting profits ahead of integrity when there is a conflict. We assume collusion of sorts when things happen that cannot be explained.
If our blood lust for justice is not quelled we assume the worst and feel "the little guy is not being heard". Its a natural reaction or an emotion. PHilC is a great example of this.

How am I over it? I view it as an entertainment company owned by an elite group who have privelidge. They carved out excemptions to labor laws by self regulation. Players have gained leverage and get paid very well for their talents. Fans may love the game but nobody forces us to buy tickets, pay subscription rights to watch games, or support the sponsers. We are thrilled by the product and feel the disappointments.

As for "ClipperGate" its playing out in a very public manner and this will force a more public result to provide satisfaction that "Our game" and its competitive balance is preserved. The reality is this is an issue for the owners to solve as the true owners of the venue. They will also not cut their noses to spite their face.

The allstar game is in LA in the new state of the art arena. I doubt we get any results from this recent disclosure before that. Silver will have to speak for the league and kick the can down the road. Some fans who might see this as him being weak. TO the contrary, he is the defacto talking piece of the league and his job is not to satisfy fans emotions but preserve the financial interests of the the league and not offend the paying customer. That is not going to be an easy task. The league will take some hit on this. It will be calculated but the big picture will be considered. A strong executive will take the body blows so if one thinks Silver is weak, its perhaps by design. Hate him but love your team. He gets paid very well for this. If you hate Silver its him being strong, not weak.

What is the bottom line? What is the true measure of a leaders work? Well who actually hires him? The oweners, not us.
Two things: Revenue growth and franshise valuations.

Some of you will be "disgusted" by not having satisfaction in a short time frame and want the percieved justice. The true cost of this might be Balmer paying off his ownership group some ungodly sum of money for his act of thievery and the court of public opinoin thrown a bone in some manner and we all move on. Maybe not everything is disclosed to the public to preserve the public faith? Lord knows things like this might have occured before without our knowledge. This one is not one of them.

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9/12/2025  4:03 PM
the argument I've heard as to why the NBA can't really do anything about this, is because every team's hands are dirty. You after one, then they'll go after everybody else. It's a house of cards. I love this sport but tim Donaghy kind of proved this league would rather sweep it under the rug
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9/12/2025  5:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2025  6:11 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:the argument I've heard as to why the NBA can't really do anything about this, is because every team's hands are dirty. You after one, then they'll go after everybody else. It's a house of cards. I love this sport but tim Donaghy kind of proved this league would rather sweep it under the rug

But at the end of the day they had to deal with it and him, and do what they can to stop/prevent it.
I can assume by logic there are things we don't know that never saw the light of day.
In the history of the NBA we basically had but one deviant who was egregious enought to get caught.
Im not naive to think he was the only one. He was the poster child. Other sports had scandals of some sort.
Are they the only entitly to be rocked by it?
All business does this. All gov't do it. All religions do it. They have outliers.
So why are we shocked by any of it?
NBA has eliminated owners when it became detrimental to the buisness. Whle it should never should have gone that far but it did. Times changed also changed the public perceptions tolerance levels set the morality. When breached, its bad for business.

Every league commish gets booed at their draft. They are paid to take the shots of an imperfect system.

But Silver did some things few if any had before done and drew a line. Im not here to say he is going to make good and clean it all that is wrong with everything, but if its a gross example and oozes with bad publcity a dollar figure will be assigned and some form of equitable settlement will occur. Mabye Wong gets thrown under the bus, or Lawrence Frank, or all the above in some manner.

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9/13/2025  1:05 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:the argument I've heard as to why the NBA can't really do anything about this, is because every team's hands are dirty. You after one, then they'll go after everybody else. It's a house of cards. I love this sport but tim Donaghy kind of proved this league would rather sweep it under the rug

Chewbacca defense again. If a majority of nba teams would like to pay the players more, why is there a salary cap at all? why have harsh penalties for the 2nd apron beyond a tax? Its safe to assume that a majority of teams want a strictly enforced cap abd max salary structure because they fought for it to be in the cba. The players union sure as hell wasnt arguing for salary restrictions.

Donaghy was kind of a unique situation because the nba was negotiating a new tv deal at the time and it was threatening the integrity of the league. This case are the actions of a rogue player and owner. The fact that in the past week both the Raptors and Lakers have come forward saying thst Kawhi was also pushing for similar arrangements with them shows that at least 2 teams feel this id unfair.

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9/13/2025  1:19 AM
@nalod

Spot on about the All Star game. I think thats a huge factor now because the nbs doesnt want to change the venue. I think a better plan would be a swift resolution and go forward with the game as is. The recent reporting on Wong makes things a lot easier. NBA can penalize Wong and Kawhi and the Clippers without having to dirrctly call Balmer a liar and a cheat. Penalties can be applied, Wong removed as owner, big fines, Kawhi contract voided, and loss of draft picks, but without directly implicating Steve, the All Star game goes on.

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9/13/2025  9:06 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:the argument I've heard as to why the NBA can't really do anything about this, is because every team's hands are dirty. You after one, then they'll go after everybody else. It's a house of cards. I love this sport but tim Donaghy kind of proved this league would rather sweep it under the rug

Then why have a salary cap. Let’s just let the lakers and clippers sign anyone they want and force teams to trade them great players because the draft lottery is rigged. Oh wait.

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9/17/2025  3:28 PM
WIngstop would get even more wingy, or stoppy.

Dolan could throw in some Sphere tickets to Kawhi. Or more

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9/17/2025  3:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/17/2025  3:54 PM
Not happening Silver doesn’t have the balls. Plus Ballmer would sue in federal court and probably win

NBA is just waiting this out hoping people’s attention drifts away and they forget about it

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9/17/2025  10:04 PM
Philc1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:the argument I've heard as to why the NBA can't really do anything about this, is because every team's hands are dirty. You after one, then they'll go after everybody else. It's a house of cards. I love this sport but tim Donaghy kind of proved this league would rather sweep it under the rug

Then why have a salary cap. Let’s just let the lakers and clippers sign anyone they want and force teams to trade them great players because the draft lottery is rigged. Oh wait.

I'm not arguing for or against anything. I am just saying why this will 'go away' just like everything else has

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9/17/2025  10:09 PM
Silver also clarified his prior comments in which he said he’d never heard of the company Aspiration before. Silver's comment followed a post from Pablo Torre where he indicated he obtained a copy of Aspiration’s $300 million “Founding Sponsorship Agreement” that said the agreement must be approved by the NBA before its enforcement.

“If I said I never heard of it, I meant in the context of the accusations here. I mean, I certainly was aware of the brand,” Silver said.

This is definitely not what Silver said in the presser. There is no disambiguation in the phrase "Frankly, I had never heard of the company until the recent reporting on a podcast." I thought it was fishy at the time for the same reason as I said in a previous post. Again, I'm not really sure why Silver would lie or offer this extremely disenguous explanation. Why not just say this in the beginning? Why not just say he forgot or was unawre in his explanation? Now he looks very suspicious because it looks like he was covering. If I'm the Raptors owner, I am livid.

Pablo Torre Finds Out the Clippers Cheated

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