iHart outplayed his contract and OKC jumped on it.

We are on the rise and beating the teams we should be. We are good.
How good? We'll find out in April, perhaps May, hopefully into June!

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The lens with which I am looking at the off-season is the trade that sent a guard and a big for a big that resulted in the Knicks getting the best player. Walt Bellamy and Butch Komives for Dave DeBusschere.

DeBusschere, like OG, was a defensive beast that could cover several positions. The trades allowed players who had been playing out of position at power forward, Reed and KAT, to move to the pivot and open up a no-stick offense.

https://from-way-downtown.com/2022/04/04/%ef%bf%bcdave-debusschere-the-man-who-filled-four-positions-1971

Old time fans will prolly agree that trade worked out well.

You win trades in the nba by getting quality of quantity. The KAT trade we gave up two good players for a superstar. Look at our history of trades that worked out. An old starks, terry cummings and some other scrub for Latrell Sprewell. Oakley for Camby. Talent always wins out over numbers in the nba.

What is Jules goal? We assume all guys want a chip, and they do, but business is business.
He signed here and it was great. He got to be All NBA and all-star. he resigned on a. reasonable deal. That was not going to happen again. Maybe with ihart staying there was another play. We don't know. We rarely do.

Julius should have never signed a team-friendly deal in 2021. He should have demanded a trade to go play with superstars.

And when fans were booing and stomping on his poster, the thumbs down should have actually been two middle fingers, while yelling "f*** y'all".

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blkexec wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Macri brought up good point Of Randle put up 50 points and the Wolves won by 20, would you have said the Knicks lost the trade? The answer is no. It's a long season. I think KAT's overall offensive efficiency this already season speaks volumes. If the Knicks end up winning 50 games and losing in the second round will that change your mind into thinking the trade was a mistake? There are still moves to be made. That said I'm just glad to see the team improve as the season goes on.

Nope…not for me…Always looked at Randle as addition by subtraction long term move. So any short term performance he puts up, I was one of the few saying “Can we trade him now?”…….lol. As we can see he’s the same player. When he adapts and reduces his bully style he’s a roll player at best. He needs to be a black hole to justify his worth. Kat already got his money. And he’s the opposite of a black hole. Makes quick decisions even when shooting bad 3s. They are quick moves.

But most would agree with you.

FOR ME…….Even if it’s a neutral move and we still can’t get out of 2nd round this move increases our ceiling more to eventually get there.

If we lose in the second round again, it might not be the trade but the coach. Not predicting anything, just have to see what happens.

Fire Thibs thread?

Don’t think that’s fair. One, Team is still coming together but can’t say we are complete.
Still have some holes to fill. Hopefully another scorer off the bench and MR back is enough.

Two, Saying it’s the coaches fault is too easy. Everyone hyping up how good we are after a win over the Wolves and then blaming coach if those players lay eggs in the playoffs would be weak.

Reflexively giving any coach a pass, months before the playoffs, for an early exit, is weak.Especially with all the talent on this roster. Still a lot of games to play, more trades might be made as well. We dont know who we will be playing, the team we face might have their own roster issues, like injuries for example, anything could happen.

All I did was raise the possibility that a second round loss might be due to something other than the roster, and just the roster. That Thibs might get outcoached in the playoffs. Not the certainty that a loss will have to do with coaching, only the possibility.

As I said, we have to see how things play out, not assigning blame in advance. Nothing biased about that.

You know what’s weaker? Making up some scenario about a second round loss and reflexively making an assumption about who is the culprit.

Knicks had a pretty badass team last January and we still lost in the second round but it was a glorious run. Cause stuff happens.

Do you guys just harp on end of world scenarios? I don’t get that

Thats stupid, because I only said that Thibs might get outcoached in a potential second round loss, not that he will. It might not be about the roster and nothing else. Which was the only scenario offered upthread for an early exit.

Good coaches sometimes get outcoached, happens all the time. Not to acknowledge this fact is silly.

Last season we went into the playoffs very shorthanded. Thibs did a good job. If we dont have the same injury issues as last season, and we still lose in the second round to a Cavs or Celtics squad. Maybe who are missing one or more important pieces due to injury. Maybe just maybe we got outcoached. Xs and Os.

You are stating flat out that there is no way Thibs can get outcoached in the playoffs when you wont even acknowledge that he just might face a better coach early in the playoffs. Not that he will, that he might.

I didn’t state anything. You can leave your words out of mine.

You don’t really have a good grasp of how coaching decisions are made. This is not a whim level thing, as you infer.

This is just you not really understanding how someone like Leon makes decisions.

Think Leon doesnt know EXACTLY what Thibs brings and doesnt bring? Guys have built a culture and you still have a fan base building false narratives on what MIGHT happen. Phuck man get some air.

Anyway it's Boston and everyone else. We beat a Donovan led Cavs team. Would have handled the Pacers. Beat Embiid's stooges. Bucks/Heat/Orl/Atl all present pains in the asses but are a big lump. It's Boston and the rest.

Also this core is all around 27-29 and all the types of players who find ways to get better, add wrinkles, and elevate teammates. We are really set up for team continuity which will be a first. It would surely seem like "this is the core" and by that mean this starting 5. Looks like a 4 year run based on the current CBA

NYKBocker wrote:IMHO only DDV was kinda screwed. It's a business and he got paid and is a pro. So ....

Kind of. Hard to tell with the news stories. He had no promise of starting. He earned that role last year. The Bridges trade made it a competition. That’s NBA life. If he presented any unwillingness to compete for the starting job or come off the bench, he was not screwed. If he took “less money” to play with his friends, well, then he got ****ed.

EwingsGlass wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:IMHO only DDV was kinda screwed. It's a business and he got paid and is a pro. So ....

Kind of. Hard to tell with the news stories. He had no promise of starting. He earned that role last year. The Bridges trade made it a competition. That’s NBA life. If he presented any unwillingness to compete for the starting job or come off the bench, he was not screwed. If he took “less money” to play with his friends, well, then he got ****ed.

DDV got a 4 year $50 million contract from us. I seriously doubt any other team including the warriors who were up against the apron were offering more money and years.