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fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a ***** he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

KAT's rebounding and blocking went down once Gobert arrived. But check his stats as a center and you see 24ppg, 12rpg+, 1+bpg

jaydh wrote:

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jaydh wrote:

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fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a ***** he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

how did that compare to randle?

That's not really the point. I'm pushing back on the idea that Towns solves the teams center issues. He doesn't really defend the rim.

He's a PF and will be when Mitch returns. He can prob fill in better at C than Randle would have.

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jaydh wrote:

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Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a ***** he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

how did that compare to randle?

That's not really the point. I'm pushing back on the idea that Towns solves the teams center issues. He doesn't really defend the rim.

He's a PF and will be when Mitch returns. He can prob fill in better at C than Randle would have.

Yeah, but we already have Precious who I think will do a better job defensively that both. It feels like this trade was made for the sake of making a trade..Towns is marginally better than Randle at best and I feel this is a lateral move. Probably a negative for us once you throw in Donte.

KAT fits positionally better and has better shooting metrics and better defensive stats. Same or worse attitude. Worse health history. It’s the right move, though I am sad it cost DDV and picks. He’s like a top 5 possible choices for C in a 4-1 offense or a 5 out.

Sad about DDV, but I approve.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Talent-wise, this is by far the most talented starting 5 for our Knicks since the 70s.

Looks like Hart is going to stay in the SL

Brunson
Bridges
Anunoby
Hart
Towns

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NYStateOfMind wrote:Talent-wise, this is by far the most talented starting 5 for our Knicks since the 70s.

Looks like Hart is going to stay in the SL

Brunson
Bridges
Anunoby
Hart
Towns

technomaster wrote:I like this trade. Sure, it hurts to lose Randle and DiVincenzo, but I think it reshapes our roster in mostly positive ways.

Towns: On offense, he does everything Hartenstein did - and better almost across the board. He does a great job as a high post distributor and allows us to continue that fluid style of play. He's also a legit 3pt shooter (39.8% for his career!) and give us a 3pt shooting center for the first time in Knicks history.

On defense, while he's not an elite shot blocking threat, he's a 7 footer and gives us a LOT more length than Randle would as a fill-in center. And his team tends to play better with him on the floor. His +/- was a whopping +321 last season, with a PER of 23.8. Wow.

So now some rationalizations:
* We badly needed a proven starting center. Mitch won't be in true game shape until after the all star break, and recent whispers said that Randle wasn't going to be ready for the start of the season, so we were getting into risky territory. Coupled with the fact that both of those players were unavailable for much of the 2nd of the season and playoffs with their annual late season injuries, it's quite frankly good business to plug in this hole on an otherwise championship-quality roster
* We needed to balance the logjam at swingman. The Bridges trade, while quite excellent, set us up with a messy log jam of swingman-sized talent, with Hart and DiVincenzo likely playing reserve minutes in spite of their starter-quality talent. They certain proved their capabilities during the playoffs, showing off what they could do when given 40mpg! Then there's the emerging McBride and highly touted rookie Kolek, both of whom looked slated for borderline garbage time/change of pace roles. DiVincenzo opens up 20-25 mins of playing time. Let's just say that we had too much of a luxury of talent off the bench, and we've traded that for a starter.
* When healthy, we'll be a match up nightmare - With KAT as our starter, I anticipate a healthy starting lineup including KAT/Hart/OG/Bridges/Brunson, and Mitch moving to the bench. This gives us a mix of shooters, defenders, fundamental ball movers, cutters, and passers in our best lineup. We also have the option to play 2 7 footers at the same time.

Perfect write up. Wholeheartedly agree. Gonna add .621 eFG and 87% FTs. You can have a center on the floor in crunch time.

technomaster wrote:I like this trade. Sure, it hurts to lose Randle and DiVincenzo, but I think it reshapes our roster in mostly positive ways.

Towns: On offense, he does everything Hartenstein did - and better almost across the board. He does a great job as a high post distributor and allows us to continue that fluid style of play. He's also a legit 3pt shooter (39.8% for his career!) and give us a 3pt shooting center for the first time in Knicks history.

On defense, while he's not an elite shot blocking threat, he's a 7 footer and gives us a LOT more length than Randle would as a fill-in center. And his team tends to play better with him on the floor. His +/- was a whopping +321 last season, with a PER of 23.8. Wow.

So now some rationalizations:
* We badly needed a proven starting center. Mitch won't be in true game shape until after the all star break, and recent whispers said that Randle wasn't going to be ready for the start of the season, so we were getting into risky territory. Coupled with the fact that both of those players were unavailable for much of the 2nd of the season and playoffs with their annual late season injuries, it's quite frankly good business to plug in this hole on an otherwise championship-quality roster
* We needed to balance the logjam at swingman. The Bridges trade, while quite excellent, set us up with a messy log jam of swingman-sized talent, with Hart and DiVincenzo likely playing reserve minutes in spite of their starter-quality talent. They certain proved their capabilities during the playoffs, showing off what they could do when given 40mpg! Then there's the emerging McBride and highly touted rookie Kolek, both of whom looked slated for borderline garbage time/change of pace roles. DiVincenzo opens up 20-25 mins of playing time. Let's just say that we had too much of a luxury of talent off the bench, and we've traded that for a starter.
* When healthy, we'll be a match up nightmare - With KAT as our starter, I anticipate a healthy starting lineup including KAT/Hart/OG/Bridges/Brunson, and Mitch moving to the bench. This gives us a mix of shooters, defenders, fundamental ball movers, cutters, and passers in our best lineup. We also have the option to play 2 7 footers at the same time.

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NYStateOfMind wrote:Why DDV and not Mitch? And why break up Nova? Makes no sense. I feel we could get someone talented but cheaper with that package.

DDVs minutes would be limited on this roster. Mitch will have a big role when healthy. Rather than diminish DDVs value by burying him on the bench, or making McBride irrelevant, a trade was needed.

Because you have a big defensive drop-off if KAT is you're main center. The roster as presently constructed still needs Mitch. Donte 's three points shooting would be missed, but there are guys who can pick up the slack. Also, already has Gobert. They need more spacing.

Well Mitch is gone until January so we absolutely had to make this move. KAT is not Mitch but he’s also not Eddy Curry he’s an amazing athlete and Thibs will have him at least putting in the effort

fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a ***** he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Jules is coming off by far the worst injury of his career. We were facing the prospect of no Mitch til January, Randle coming off a bad injury and OG gets injured every other game
Oh and he’s coming off a bad hamstring.