Philc1 wrote:

jaydh wrote:Would you draft Bronny to see if Lebron comes for vet min or to leverage assets from the lakers?

No way Lebron takes vet min. Plus Silver will throw a fit if anyone but the lakers drafts Bronny

I know, but he could win a title with his son.

jaydh wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jaydh wrote:Would you draft Bronny to see if Lebron comes for vet min or to leverage assets from the lakers?

No way Lebron takes vet min. Plus Silver will throw a fit if anyone but the lakers drafts Bronny

I know, but he could win a title with his son.

I agree. If Lebron cares more about rings and especially winning a ring with his son he has his best shot with us drafting Bronny. But ultimately this is probably lebron’s last pay day on a nba contract he’s going to want $20-30 million per year for at least 3 years guaranteed

martin wrote:The Knicks cannot technically know if iHart is willing to accept the max they can give him until iHart knows how massive an offer other teams are willing to give him. Other teams can't technically offer him or discuss a contract until June 30 6pm.

Knicks don't want to move too much more forward with changing their cap situation in a way that would hurt them in case it's the wrong decision, like moving Mitch today and then also finding out the iHart wont resign a couple days from now.

That's how I read it, right?

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https://www.twitter.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/1806381889458213177

Makes sense

What im not clear is how can knicks perhaps "Make it up to him" if he does a two year with a player option in year two? What if he can't pass a physical? There are risks. Im sure he digs NY and loves his mates. A chip is a nice thing but its not a certainty. 20-30 mil is.

Plan B what ever that involves also might be gone for us by the time iHart gets his decision together. This is a tough business.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:My guess, and its just that, is knicks present an offer with a time limit on it. If iHart wants to test the waters potentially the knick door closes. Not because of retribution, because they have to get the Mikal trade finished and other considerations. Knicks gotta do them, and iHart gotta do him. He knows what we can do and his agent might have a clue to what awaits him.

What im not clear is how can knicks perhaps "Make it up to him" if he does a two year with a player option in year two? What if he can't pass a physical? There are risks. Im sure he digs NY and loves his mates. A chip is a nice thing but its not a certainty. 20-30 mil is.

Plan B what ever that involves also might be gone for us by the time iHart gets his decision together. This is a tough business.

Nalod, what’s your take on this type of scenario and if there is a world where something like this actually happens.

Knicks have a literal max they can technically give iHart…

1) They bring that contract to him with some sort of mutual opt out/opt in like Josh Hart had going on that is executable after first year (after first year he will then be in full bird rights territory). 2) They present another 5 year contract to him - *as if they had full Bird Right for him today* - that they would feel comfortable offering as fair market value and after looks of back and forth and discussion (Claxton contract is out there for a particularly desperate team as a barometer). 3) They then also present to him a third contract that is a 4 year extension on his one year opt out that meets the 5 year total of the second contract.

He signs #1 and #3, copies are properly stored of #3, they give #1 opt out contract to the NBA office.

Some solutions just need to find themselves.

Sorry, you didn't ask me but I can't help but butt-in :) iHart's value is at a high right now. He had a great year, went from reserve to starter and exceeded all expectations. He then went on to have an impact in the playoffs. With Claxton re-signed by the Nets, he is the best Center on the market. He is going to get a better offer than we can give him. The big questions are 1) How much 2) What team. It really is going to come down to love or money. No player agent is going to co-sign love.

After that, I think the scenario you describe is possible but hell if I understand the new rules

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:My guess, and its just that, is knicks present an offer with a time limit on it. If iHart wants to test the waters potentially the knick door closes. Not because of retribution, because they have to get the Mikal trade finished and other considerations. Knicks gotta do them, and iHart gotta do him. He knows what we can do and his agent might have a clue to what awaits him.

What im not clear is how can knicks perhaps "Make it up to him" if he does a two year with a player option in year two? What if he can't pass a physical? There are risks. Im sure he digs NY and loves his mates. A chip is a nice thing but its not a certainty. 20-30 mil is.

Plan B what ever that involves also might be gone for us by the time iHart gets his decision together. This is a tough business.

Nalod, what’s your take on this type of scenario and if there is a world where something like this actually happens.

Knicks have a literal max they can technically give iHart…

1) They bring that contract to him with some sort of mutual opt out/opt in like Josh Hart had going on that is executable after first year (after first year he will then be in full bird rights territory). 2) They present another 5 year contract to him - *as if they had full Bird Right for him today* - that they would feel comfortable offering as fair market value and after looks of back and forth and discussion (Claxton contract is out there for a particularly desperate team as a barometer). 3) They then also present to him a third contract that is a 4 year extension on his one year opt out that meets the 5 year total of the second contract.

He signs #1 and #3, copies are properly stored of #3, they give #1 opt out contract to the NBA office.

Some solutions just need to find themselves.

It has risks but if its possible its my insinuation.
So does a bigger money two year deal. He gets hurt there would not be one in two years.
He wanted to stay with clips, and I gather he wants to stay with knicks but he is in such a good position to get paid one cannot begrudge a player wanting to secure his situation.
As said in another thread on the uk, its more likely the timing of decisions make things a bit more complex. He might not have the chance to wait to decide if he wants to see whats out compared to what knicks have. He'll lose knicks if he waits?? Could be. If he does not have two teams bidding in the aftermath he could end up super close to what he could have gotten here. Maybe "all things being near equal, he wants NY", and thus he has to make a blind decision either way.
He is in demand, but there are limits.
Prediction? Im not in the room or anywhere close to it. I want want the guy back but I trust this FO has contingency plans.

Chandler wrote:if a guy plays a game he loves, has a smoking hot wife/fiance/whatever, gets to play in NY and potentially become a legend, and he can't get by on 16/year (and a likely wink wink for the future), then GTFOH

sorry that's my story and i'm sticking to it

At some point you have to imagine his wife's reaction to "We're moving to OKC?"

martin wrote:The Knicks cannot technically know if iHart is willing to accept the max they can give him until iHart knows how massive an offer other teams are willing to give him. Other teams can't technically offer him or discuss a contract until June 30 6pm.

Knicks don't want to move too much more forward with changing their cap situation in a way that would hurt them in case it's the wrong decision, like moving Mitch today and then also finding out the iHart wont resign a couple days from now.

That's how I read it, right?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/1806381889458213177

This is exactly right. It’s all about Hartenstein now. If he comes back, it’s an easy path to moving Mitch to a third team as part of the bridges trade and avoid being hard capped at the first apron. Then you have the taxpayers mid level to sign Goga or Drummond as a backup and some more wiggle room to work with. If Hartenstein leaves then you keep Mitch, and still have the taxpayers MLE but then no more wiggle room under the first apron. The wildcard in this case is Achiuwa. Can you get him and a team to agree to a contract in the early free agent cycle and use him as part of the bridges deal. We are at a complete standstill until the Hartenstein situation so there’s no point in doing anything until then and hopefully they can delay the bridges deal from being finalized as long as possible so Hartenstein (and maybe achiuwa) can be sorted first.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:The Knicks cannot technically know if iHart is willing to accept the max they can give him until iHart knows how massive an offer other teams are willing to give him. Other teams can't technically offer him or discuss a contract until June 30 6pm.

Knicks don't want to move too much more forward with changing their cap situation in a way that would hurt them in case it's the wrong decision, like moving Mitch today and then also finding out the iHart wont resign a couple days from now.

That's how I read it, right?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/1806381889458213177

This is exactly right. It’s all about Hartenstein now. If he comes back, it’s an easy path to moving Mitch to a third team as part of the bridges trade and avoid being hard capped at the first apron. Then you have the taxpayers mid level to sign Goga or Drummond as a backup and some more wiggle room to work with. If Hartenstein leaves then you keep Mitch, and still have the taxpayers MLE but then no more wiggle room under the first apron. The wildcard in this case is Achiuwa. Can you get him and a team to agree to a contract in the early free agent cycle and use him as part of the bridges deal. We are at a complete standstill until the Hartenstein situation so there’s no point in doing anything until then and hopefully they can delay the bridges deal from being finalized as long as possible so Hartenstein (and maybe achiuwa) can be sorted first.

I thought I had read iHart was going to take the Knick deal- now, we’re waiting for him. How does that exactly play out? The agent gets whatever offers at 6:01PM and he takes one or he declines after thinking. I mean, I would assume his agent knows what kind of offers might come in. Are there some offers/teams he won’t accept?

Seems like he is going to leave. OK- I think he was a great player but he was more a product of the system and dare I say, he may underwhelm in his next team.