VDesai wrote:martin wrote:VDesai wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:VDesai wrote:Grimes is in such a bad funk right now, I have a hard time seeing teams valuing him that much in a deal. He went from being close to Spurs era Danny Green to current day Danny Green in the last few months.
Teams scout him and understand our dynamic. He is available BECAUSE he is being underutilized and not a good fit.
Question is not what us fans think his value is. Its what Leon and Co. think and is being offered.
That trade for Smart seems a bit rich for a non starter in my opinion.
While not old, is he breaking down?
Missed 20 games last season and played Half thus far this. I get why memphis might want to move him but at what cost?
I'm on this train. Scouts will also understand that he was very solid for a long time last year and a legit POA defender. Those are rare and that particular skill has not gone away.
Grimes will get the same bump as IQ or RJ have with their new'ish roles within a different context.
Scouts may get that, and I don't doubt there's teams that covet but GMs see how he's playing this season and its all about negotiation. In any event, I've been bullish Grimes, but at the moment his skillset seems redundant and what we need from him, or the player who gets his 20 minutes, is scoring and shot creation and he's really struggling with that. I feel like moving on might be the right thing for the Knicks, just based on the role they are giving him and what they need from it. He will also end up in the Quickley type of contract situation next year, so in part, they have to think ahead.
You frame that thought as though FO has a big disconnect with their scouts and perhaps are totally uninformed about players in general. Maybe there are some dumb GM's and owners who think that way but they are exceptions rather than rules.
FO's are not like fans unless their owners are involved too heavily. Most FO's have cutthroat negotiators and scouts intertwined in the same process, just like any other well staffed non-NBA entity/company out there.
It's not really a thing, unless you think Leon is a complete dip**** and won't bring it up in talks with other teams.
And if Leon is working with a team that doesn't understand that 101 concept, you know what Leon does? He hangs up the phone and moves to a different trade team.
Yeah, but there's a limited amount of teams out there, he can't call infinitely. Making a simple statement here- I'm just expressing concern that the recent slump has lowered some ceiling projections from Grimes and he's not gonna bring as much value back as he once was commanding in negotiations.
I don't mean to get after you so please pardon my directness, this will definitely come out wrong.
But your thought process is that scouts and FO types who have studied and been around athletes for decades and decades and mostly their whole lives and have most likely been athletes themselves may have forgotten that a young 23yo, 25th draft pick kid who has played only 160 NBA games in his life - 2 years worth of games stretched over 3 years - has some normal ups and downs and wouldn't understand that concept of a kid having a few down months in a career of games?
Have you even been a part of a high level negotiation before involving millions of dollars and resources? Cause that's the lens we should be aiming to look through. We should not be bringing $3 discount coupon thoughts to the table.
Leon is going to bring up this story and I think it holds value: Grimes is a talented kid but he and his personality probably does not adjust to pressure situations easily or smoothly, but he ABSOLUTELY has all the talent to get over that hump and then excel (as recently as guarding Jimmy Butler on one leg, that **** REALLY counts in the eyes of every scout). Coming out of high school, he was a top recruited kid, 5 star recruit. He bombed out his first 2 seasons in college and transfered to Houston, back to a more familiar place for him. He EXCELLED. Went nuts in the NCAA tourney.
He is just a slow adjuster to new or different or difficult environments, he is not a low talented or low IQ kid. It's a personality and slow growth thing.
So it's more likely that he will absolutely flourish but just when he is ready and in a position or role or team to do so.
That's the story Leon is negotiating with, not some 2 month under performance that can be talked away by an overload of guards on team.
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