HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Let me guess, some are complaining (Briggs) about three points shots because the Bucks exploited it to come back and win?

What happened to no one likes the Iso game? The stand around and feed the low block game?
May be what one is used to but the three point game has added much more excitement to the game.
You look at Mondays game vs Bucks, without the three point shot, you turn that off midway through the third. Three point shooting also adds more passing, ball movement, off ball movement. Without it, we go back to wings pounding the ball inside and watching ow big man pound the ball and slowly back his defender down. Just a much slower paced game. Not to mention how the three point shot has created much more skilled players. Including big men.

The NEW NBA is much better than old tight short, two hand passing, pound the ball inside basketball.
Are we also going to start complaining about the Alley OOP and 24 second clock?

I would agree, except some of those old Celtics and Lakers ran beautiful sets off of motion. For me, and the Bucks game has nothing to do with this take, the thing is that the game has become sloppy. It's easy to point to the threes, but refs don't seem to call traveling or walking violations anymore. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Also, while there are teams that do run aesthetically pleasing offenses, there are a lot that just run drive and kick offenses that have guys loafing around the three-point line, waiting for the shot. Pretty much the same concept as the post and kick out.

Maybe. Don't think anyone will ever be be happy with everything. Especially if it's not how they vision it. For me, today's NBA is a faster paced game. Exciting. Still feel players can take advantage of mid game. Ie JB, DeRozan, etc. The three point shot mostly increases scoring, ability to comeback being down 17 and takes away 20 ft jumpers. It also expands the floor to create the ability to go to hoop. Think all good things. Of course, in trying to fit the mold, several teams/players adopt a misconceived style in order to take advantage of things mentioned. However, those teams/players do not flourish and quickly realize they need to make adjustments.

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Let me guess, some are complaining (Briggs) about three points shots because the Bucks exploited it to come back and win?

What happened to no one likes the Iso game? The stand around and feed the low block game?
May be what one is used to but the three point game has added much more excitement to the game.
You look at Mondays game vs Bucks, without the three point shot, you turn that off midway through the third. Three point shooting also adds more passing, ball movement, off ball movement. Without it, we go back to wings pounding the ball inside and watching ow big man pound the ball and slowly back his defender down. Just a much slower paced game. Not to mention how the three point shot has created much more skilled players. Including big men.

The NEW NBA is much better than old tight short, two hand passing, pound the ball inside basketball.
Are we also going to start complaining about the Alley OOP and 24 second clock?

I would agree, except some of those old Celtics and Lakers ran beautiful sets off of motion. For me, and the Bucks game has nothing to do with this take, the thing is that the game has become sloppy. It's easy to point to the threes, but refs don't seem to call traveling or walking violations anymore. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Also, while there are teams that do run aesthetically pleasing offenses, there are a lot that just run drive and kick offenses that have guys loafing around the three-point line, waiting for the shot. Pretty much the same concept as the post and kick out.

Maybe. Don't think anyone will ever be be happy with everything. Especially if it's not how they vision it. For me, today's NBA is a faster paced game. Exciting. Still feel players can take advantage of mid game. Ie JB, DeRozan, etc. The three point shot mostly increases scoring, ability to comeback being down 17 and takes away 20 ft jumpers. It also expands the floor to create the ability to go to hoop. Think all good things. Of course, in trying to fit the mold, several teams/players adopt a misconceived style in order to take advantage of things mentioned. However, those teams/players do not flourish and quickly realize they need to make adjustments.

There are extremes on every side, for sure. Do your prefer seeing Jokic spraying cutters from everywhere in the post or do you prefer watching guys stand around while Luka holds the ball for 20 seconds waiting for a PnR? Personally, the James Harden Rockets were not enjoyable at all. Yeah, lots of scoring and pace, but the ball was being dominated by one guy. The Jordan triangle teams had a lot more ball movement despite scoring less per game. And the thing is, you can't say the style of the ball dominant wing isn't flourishing because you seem more and more teams adopting that style.

True. Think with all things, a mixture of different things is always better.
Think all good teams are enjoyable to watch and one can appreciate good basketball. And all have a mixture of both. Bucks showed us a good mix.
Jordan teams still had their times where it was spread the floor for Jordan.
But agree. Good to have all aspects in the game. Disagree with thread topic that the game is mostly just three point shooting. Do think it is an integral part to success today. Both shooting it and defending it.

Knicks have shown many times this year you can shoot it for **** and come away with wins.

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The Knicks can’t hold onto a lead. But there’s a greater context to this: neither can the rest of the NBA.

Thanks to The Athletic’s NBA analytics guru, Seth Partnow, who compiled league-wide statistics on blown leads for this story, we now know the Knicks are one of seven teams that have let go of at least seven double-digit advantages in losses this season. Fourteen teams have blown at least six double-digit leads in losses; 21 have blown at least five. Every team has turned at least three double-digit leads into losses — except for the Memphis Grizzlies, who are somehow yet to blow one.

The Portland Trail Blazers have a 14-point comeback against the Knicks, but they’ve also blown double-digit advantages in nine losses this season, the most in the NBA. The Hawks silenced Madison Square Garden when they exited after that 23-point comeback, but they’ve suffered the other side of this, too, giving back double-digit leads in eight of their defeats this season. Dončić shattered hearts with his intentionally missed free throw that he turned into a game-tying floater, but … you can probably guess where this is going; the Mavericks have let go of double-digit leads in eight of their losses.

The reality is that (unless you’re in Memphis) this happens all the time now.

The popularization of the 3-pointer has changed the game. Pump out three straight stand-still looks from the corner, and you’re back in it. If one or two role players get the hot hand, as some Bucks did Monday night, the dynamic flips. Hardships like what the Knicks suffered against Milwaukee occur just about every night in the NBA these days. A losing team has blown a double-digit lead in 26 percent of the games played around the league this season.

And now, as Randle was, head coach Tom Thibodeau is laughing, too.

“I sorta get a chuckle because you guys — no lead is safe in this league. … A 20-point lead with three minutes (remaining), you’re not safe,” Thibodeau said over the weekend. “With the 3, with the way the game is officiated, the thing is you can make up ground quickly.”

martin wrote:A little tangential but it's mostly because of the 3-ball.

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https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1613190851592654848

The Knicks can’t hold onto a lead. But there’s a greater context to this: neither can the rest of the NBA.

Thanks to The Athletic’s NBA analytics guru, Seth Partnow, who compiled league-wide statistics on blown leads for this story, we now know the Knicks are one of seven teams that have let go of at least seven double-digit advantages in losses this season. Fourteen teams have blown at least six double-digit leads in losses; 21 have blown at least five. Every team has turned at least three double-digit leads into losses — except for the Memphis Grizzlies, who are somehow yet to blow one.

The Portland Trail Blazers have a 14-point comeback against the Knicks, but they’ve also blown double-digit advantages in nine losses this season, the most in the NBA. The Hawks silenced Madison Square Garden when they exited after that 23-point comeback, but they’ve suffered the other side of this, too, giving back double-digit leads in eight of their defeats this season. Dončić shattered hearts with his intentionally missed free throw that he turned into a game-tying floater, but … you can probably guess where this is going; the Mavericks have let go of double-digit leads in eight of their losses.

The reality is that (unless you’re in Memphis) this happens all the time now.

The popularization of the 3-pointer has changed the game. Pump out three straight stand-still looks from the corner, and you’re back in it. If one or two role players get the hot hand, as some Bucks did Monday night, the dynamic flips. Hardships like what the Knicks suffered against Milwaukee occur just about every night in the NBA these days. A losing team has blown a double-digit lead in 26 percent of the games played around the league this season.

And now, as Randle was, head coach Tom Thibodeau is laughing, too.

“I sorta get a chuckle because you guys — no lead is safe in this league. … A 20-point lead with three minutes (remaining), you’re not safe,” Thibodeau said over the weekend. “With the 3, with the way the game is officiated, the thing is you can make up ground quickly.”

I think the Knicks have a good path to fixing this... starting with the bench. McBride is showing more scoring and IQ is breaking out as a starter. If we got real scoring from those two off the bench that could really help buffer the starter's minutes and help with this.

Our starters have been outplaying other team's starters which is a fantastic trend for us. Lots of work but I like where we are in this process

Nalod wrote:Mitch says hello also!

Eaton is a big man with a career FG% off 46%. Mitch shoots 72% for his career. I think it's more likely that Mitch is laughing.

But back to the topic, I like my idea of making the court bigger and extending the corner threes to 23'9. It sometimes feels like coaches and players are cheating by seeking out shots from that spot since it's shorter by a 1'9". By making the court a little bigger you would also eliminate those sideline out of bounce dead plays too. Plus players today are bigger so make the court bigger!

blkexec wrote:

Vmart wrote:I still believe they should remove the corner three. Line needs to be redrawn.

Who’s responsible for that anyway? I’m assuming when adding the 3pt line they forgot how wide the court was?

https://www.ozy.com/the-new-and-the-next/its-time-to-eliminate-the-nbas-corner-three/90968/

This would work for a better entertainment stand point.