MS wrote:Honestly pathetic.

Sign Rose - out of the rotation
Sign Fournier - out of the rotation
Trade draft asset for Cam - out of the rotation

The incompetence of management is staggering. When you factor in Kemba and Noel contracts, whiffing on Obi, missing on Halliburton and then using additional draft capital to clear space for Brunson, it’s been a mind numbing 2 offseasons.

Have zero confidence in these guys to execute on any real meaningful moves.

Now if you want to p!s$ and moan that Rose should be played over Deuce, Fournier over Grimes, Cam over whomever then go right ahead I say.

wargames wrote:

MS wrote:Honestly pathetic.

Sign Rose - out of the rotation
Sign Fournier - out of the rotation
Trade draft asset for Cam - out of the rotation

The incompetence of management is staggering. When you factor in Kemba and Noel contracts, whiffing on Obi, missing on Halliburton and then using additional draft capital to clear space for Brunson, it’s been a mind numbing 2 offseasons.

Have zero confidence in these guys to execute on any real meaningful moves.

Them being out of rotation is on Thibs. I keep saying this but the FO and Thibs relationship is mostly backwards.

No it isn't, it's exactly how this should have played out.

Fournier was an obvious miss as a signing.

We want guys like Grimes, IQ, and McBride and such to be taking away minutes from the likes of Fournier and Rose. This is actually ideal. DRose has literally done has job.

Cam was a risk from the beginning, I think everyone knew that coming in. He missed or mostly hasn't been 100% perfect.

I don't know what your expectations are but batting 100% on every trade, draft, or signing is not realistic. As evidence of this, go look at every team in the NBA.

Pick out any team and you can also demonstrate the same things.

Chandler wrote:i think of Fournier as more of a calculated risk than a flub. Would people rather have had Hayward at a higher price point?

Everyone makes mistakes. Warrior have 3 lottery picks. Wiseman may be a bust. Moody barely plays and Kuminga is in and out.
Check the Celt's draftingt -- a lot of bombs
Clippers aren't exactly lighitng it up with Kawhi and PG

it's tough to win. We have a bunch of guys who should be ascending. If one or two of them click, e.g., Grimes and IQ, we will make a jump

I like this perspective. A healthy approach to a 50 year rollercoaster disaster but now we have young assets, draft picks and currently a few games from being in the playoff run.

They definitely made mistakes like cam and Obi but they also have a ton of positives. Eventually this FO will make the right move at the right time. I believe that. But I’m not confident in this NY cultural environments patience. And eventually they will all be replaced one by one. That’s what history tells me.

All I can do is root for my man deuce. Hope cam is not traded. And continue winning. Let see if thibs found magic in his 9 now 8 man rotation.

as possible trade candidates. Charlotte is tricky because trading Rozier would be a sign of a complete rebuild rather than an off year.

MS wrote:Honestly pathetic.

Sign Rose - out of the rotation
Sign Fournier - out of the rotation
Trade draft asset for Cam - out of the rotation

The incompetence of management is staggering. When you factor in Kemba and Noel contracts, whiffing on Obi, missing on Halliburton and then using additional draft capital to clear space for Brunson, it’s been a mind numbing 2 offseasons.

Have zero confidence in these guys to execute on any real meaningful moves.

Can't recall ever seeing you make a positive post, so going to assume you are a glass half empty type. I see it a different way. Everyone makes mistakes, its how you adjust to those mistakes that defines things. IMO Knicks are in a better place than when this FO took over. Young roster, 500 record and extra draft capital.

Fournier was a miss who will be difficult to move. But he is sitting and not causing waves.

Playing or not, Rose is a mentor for younger players. Trade or otherwise - he has a team option and will not be here next year.

Bringing in JB has been a plus move (although you apparently don't agree)

Playing and winning with young guys like Grimes and Deuce will only increase their experience and value.

For all the accolades that Haliburton gets, the Pacers and Knicks are only separated by one game in the standings.

GustavBahler wrote:If we had an onerous contract to unload, this might be the way to go. Fortunately that hasnt been the case for a surprisingly long stretch.

Was a big fan of Russell's, but he didnt turn into the floor general he appeared to be early on.

The Minnesota Timberwolves and D’Angelo Russell may be on the verge of a split if the star guard’s recent social media activity is any indication. According to a Wolves news page on Twitter, the veteran guard is no longer following the team’s official account on Instagram.
Source: Jonathan Sherman @ ahnfiredigital.com

I don't think Thibs would want him. Doesn't play defense or attack the rim. He is a tough shotmaker tho and I still remember the stretch he had carrying the Nets to the playoffs.

Chandler wrote:
i am an admittedly biased RJ fan. That said, i like(d) him most at the 2, but Grimes is really solidifying that role and fits better with JR and JB.

I could imagine RJ to the Raptors who are not clicking.

He's been putting up numbers that would justify the Raps making a trade, in addition to being from there. I also prefer RJ at the 2, also agree that we're set at the 2. Might even have a logjam.

I believe this would be the one team where RJ would welcome a trade. Being the face of the Raps, and Toronto. Barrett has earned it.

Chandler wrote:
i am an admittedly biased RJ fan. That said, i like(d) him most at the 2, but Grimes is really solidifying that role and fits better with JR and JB.

I could imagine RJ to the Raptors who are not clicking.

Don’t ever trade with Ujiri……ever. Say it, mean it, live it