Sweetney is a perfect fit for the Bulls is they move Chandler to center. I have no doubt that if we offered Sweetney, Moochie and cash we could get Curry back. Sweetney is exactly the type of player personality wise the Bulls want.

On paper you have to do the trade, despite my heart not liking it. Once you have a center like Curry the other pieces are easier. Then you can do something like possibly overpay for Swift. Use your #1, Nazr's expiring deal and cash in a sign and trade for Swift. Then by the end of next year you could be looking at something like this:
pg Marbury 28
sg Crawford 25
sf Ariza 20
pf Swift 25
c Curry 22
Especially if your in the "we must rebuild" philosophy its hard to argue with that line up

depending on where the Knicks finish the year- and lets assume they make the playoffs- they're going to have a mid round pick for the draft- there will be a ton of college players who are 6'8" to 6'9" with some decent skills for the taking.

There aren't going to be any good players 6'10" at that point- unless we strike gold like we did with Ariza and players that are that tall are fewer in number.

Whatever happened to that kid in this past draft that was nick named 'baby shaq'? just curious? is he on a roster of NBA team or in the NBDL or over in Europe?

if the principals are Sweets for Curry- I say do it.

Everyone is talking about Sweets as though he were the second coming of Charles Barkley. I don't think he is. A good player, yes. Star, I don't think so.

It would be even better if we could trade Nazr, 1st round pick, and Penny to Memphis for Swift and Bonzi. I haven't calculated the $$, but it would be great.

Sweet is the 3rd leading scorer and rebounder on the team. That says something right there.

Posted by deebo:

I think we couldve had Curry ealry last week. I think it was a poor time to lowball.

True! But you know IT has to at least try to put KT and TT in initial trade talks. Briggs, will we be able to sign Curry at the end of the season?

IM not briggs, but I stayed at a holiday inn express last nite.......

We can match anything that curry is offered, or deal him in a sign and trade.

When was money ever an issue here? Im sure a deal would be reached, at least in verbal BEFORE he would even get here. At worst we over pay him.

Funny, we talk about Sweetney being the next elton brand, if the bulls trade for Sweets, they in a sense do just that. They traded Brand for the pick (it was either chandler or curry, but just go with it anyway.)and would get Sweets in return.

So, how many of the people saying to make this trade do you think would have Curry's throat if he doesn't produce right away?
Just the way New York goes I guess.

I really would like to keep Sweetney if possible. As Nalod has just brought up, I DO see him as the next Elton Brand.

I really don't think Sweets will be the next Brand.

The only 6'8" or shorter PF's that I can think about that are STARS were Barkley and Brand.

If he lost 25 lbs we could really see what he could really do. At 250lbs he could still box out most other players cause his center of gravity would be lower then his opponent and at 250 lbs he would definitely have more explosiveness off his feet.

But unless he loses 25 lbs he'll never even be close to being a STAR.

You also have to take in to account that although he has nice rebounding numbers from last year the only people grabbing rebounds are himself and K.Thomas or Mohammed and they are all undersized. Put in a SF that actually rebounds and taller centers and watch his rebounds go way down. Compare his numbers with T.Thomas vs. Ariza at SF, that could be interesting.

It's a hard choice but like people said finding a STAR C is so much harder then a STAR PF. And it's not a stretch to say that Curry does have the talent/size to be a STAR C. While at the same time it's not a stretch to say that Sweets might never be more then an above average PF.

Quote: Djsunyc
"He's ready. Just get him in the game and just give him the got damn ball"

I agree 200%.

I really hope Isiah doesn't trade Sweetney. This kid has done everything that's been asked of him and has raised nary a complaint about playing time. He's proven to be a monster on the boards. I keep hearing about Elton Brand but from what I saw the other night Sweetney did great against him without getting starters minutes. The debate will surely rage on but one thing that cannot be debated is that Sweetney is doing what he's doing without starter minutes. Concern about him picking up fouls? Well he needs to play to overcome that. Concerned about his open court skills? He needs the opportunity to play to develop that. As good as Kurt is playing right now I don't think there's a soul on this board that doesn't think Sweetney won't do much better on a regular basis in the future. I'd much rather deal with an upset Kurt than a "25lbs lighter" Sweetney in a Bulls uniform with a chip on his shoulder. Every other young player of note (i.e. Curry - whom I like I might add) gets an opportunity to play starters minutes. As i've said before I think we're going to have a chance at Eddy next summer because it will undoubtedly play out very badly for that organization (they've got bad bad karma). Give Mike the chance and find out if he's got the goods. Keep Sweetney.

[Edited by - JUNKMEIN on 11/18/2004 17:25:37]

Well I tell you one thing I have been consistent on Sweetney. The following statement, " As i've said before I think we're going to have a chance at Eddy next summer because it will undoubtedly play out very badly for that organization (they've got bad bad karma)" was right on if you don't mind me saying

[Edited by - Junkmein on 11-16-2005 07:06 AM]

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.

Posted by BRIGGS:

play Mike S a lot of minutes tonight against a weak rebounding team with poor PF's on national TV. if they play him 17 minutes and he has 5 points and 4 rebounds--think why would Chicago trade their starting C? Whthere we trade him or not, mike S should be getting 25 + minutes every night and ariza in the 20 range regardless. TT is not good enough to warrant more than the 24 minutes or so he is averaging. He has to prove himself over a period of time again IMHO.

I think we couldve had Curry ealry last week. I think it was a poor time to lowball.

Expert scouts have watched Curry and Sweetney every day for their careers. Their value is not going to sky rocket or plummet after a good or bad game. I'm sure it's hard for someone who now sees Tim Thomas as an 11/5 player to realize that.

Posted by TMS:

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.

Alot of people got excited about the numbers that charles smith was putting up with the clippers but what did he do when he got here? All I know is that this kid has a rep for being lazy and being an under achiever.Noone has accused Sweetney of this.