Lets talk miami for a second. Duncan Robinson. 5 years 90 mil. Avg 18mil for 5 years. Nope and not a trade chip. We had EF for jsut 3 years.
Kyle lowrey, nope. 3 years 85mil.. He regressed.
Jimmy Butler has 3 years and 150mil left and he is magnificent but at 32 he showed some signs of aging last season. If so he can’t carry a team for 82 games. At 50mil per, it kind of should be that.
Bubble year they were in finals and Herro was all the rage. He returned to good form last season and he deserves a better deal than RJ. Not saying they are equal or who got long range upside. Very different players and Herro has acomplishments.

Ainge painted himself into a corner all because Leon was cool. Does not mean we get DM at the fans discount price or we all get to keep our favorite yoot. RJ need not be an allstar to play up to that contract and fact is we control him for the next 5 seasons at which ending will be all of 27 years old. This makes him valuable as a knick and a trade chip. Just not today for DM.

Grimes. We can circle jerk into what ever the logo says but if he is “all that” then Ainge needs to pay up for that. We talking about a kid who started 6 games, played 46 and avg 10 min a game. Granted, I know that stat line degrades him as much as RJ’s last 35 game should upgrade him some to those that doubt him. I really liked what I saw from Grimes in that time and and would be just fine with him starting next to Brunson. I think EF can be traded.

To that, 11 picks in 7 years and a roster that needs consolidation.

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Clean wrote:I hope yall paid attention to the wording used when talking about the contract. The only way he makes 30mil a year is with hitting his bonuses. If he hits those bonuses he would be worth 30 a year.

I think it’s the 30 a year PLUS bonuses.

Nope, read carefully Woj's wording.

"New York Knicks guard RJ Barrett is finalizing a four-year rookie extension that could be worth up to $120 million"

Yes, confirmed everywhere

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1564449939161235457

So on its own, the RJ extension is a little more than what Keldon Johnson signed with the Spurs, which sounds fair. I'd be surprised if RJ hits any of those bonuses, but it would be great if he did. I'm guessing this also sets the the range on the upcoming Tyler Herro deal.

Keldon makes $20M in his first year and then it goes south, total deal $74M for an average around $18.5M.

RJ will start around $27M?

My take is RJ upside could be Jaylen Brown. Emphasis on “Could be”. Not a guy that can carry a team but a really really good 2nd option and great 3rd. RJ is 3 in my book.

If Grimes can match EF range he gets gets the nod if he has not already. He does other things better.

martin wrote:

technomaster wrote:If all goes well, I can see RJ pitting up numbers in the rough neighborhood of Tatum and Brown on the Celtics by the time he reaches his mid 20s. (RJ was much more productive than Brown over their respective first 3 seasons; RJ was arguably better than Tatum over their first 2 seasons before Tatum turned it up a notch in year 3)

All star and all NBA accolades will largely be determined by whether the Knicks have a winning team on any given year.

From RealGM poster:

zimpy27 wrote:In 2019 the Celtics gave Jaylen Brown an extension at the start of his final year on his rookie deal.

In that deal, Brown got $103m guaranteed, $107m with likely incentives, $115m with unlikely incentives.
Under the current salary cap, those numbers would be $116.5m guaranteed, $121m with likely incentives, $130m with unlikely incentives.

So with that considered, this is actually a decent contract if you think RJ and Brown were comparable in their 3rd NBA season:

Nalod months ago compared those two and I used Derozen as well. RJ trending very nicely.
Im not patting my self on the back. It was just an exercise to bring some positive comps to the RJ discussion.

Glad that RJ is off the board in a potential deal.

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

technomaster wrote:If all goes well, I can see RJ pitting up numbers in the rough neighborhood of Tatum and Brown on the Celtics by the time he reaches his mid 20s. (RJ was much more productive than Brown over their respective first 3 seasons; RJ was arguably better than Tatum over their first 2 seasons before Tatum turned it up a notch in year 3)

All star and all NBA accolades will largely be determined by whether the Knicks have a winning team on any given year.

From RealGM poster:

zimpy27 wrote:In 2019 the Celtics gave Jaylen Brown an extension at the start of his final year on his rookie deal.

In that deal, Brown got $103m guaranteed, $107m with likely incentives, $115m with unlikely incentives.
Under the current salary cap, those numbers would be $116.5m guaranteed, $121m with likely incentives, $130m with unlikely incentives.

So with that considered, this is actually a decent contract if you think RJ and Brown were comparable in their 3rd NBA season:

The biggest difference in those two stat lines is the shooting percentages, specifically the 2pt numbers RJ 44% vs JB 53%. That's where RJ has to get more efficient and he'll be well worth the contract.

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/BigKnickEnergy_/status/1564294587782397952

Surprisingly this guy has sources. He called RJ extended or traded within 24hrs.

I guess the name is apt…

That also gets me excited for Grimes long term.

Also that trade offer was fair. Five first round picks, RJ, and Fournier. Ainge wanting more is absurd.

I hate that offer because it still leaves a glut at PF and too heavily dependant on 2 below average height guards. Grimes isn't big enough to play a SF spot (I think he is your prototypical SG). Trading RJ and Fournier leaves you no SF at all except maybe Reddish (once again doesn't make sense with how he has been treated here).

And that is not to mention the amount of picks you are giving up while still including RJ 22 year old 20 ppg scorer who can defend (and currently your best prospect).

That trade makes no sense.

The question on RJ was basically is he worth $30M a year. That would be All Star money or a major piece of a deep playoff team. Both things RJ had yet to do.

However, glad we kept him but would have preferred to wait and see how he faired the first half of the season.

joec32033 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/BigKnickEnergy_/status/1564294587782397952

Surprisingly this guy has sources. He called RJ extended or traded within 24hrs.

I guess the name is apt…

That also gets me excited for Grimes long term.

Also that trade offer was fair. Five first round picks, RJ, and Fournier. Ainge wanting more is absurd.

I hate that offer because it still leaves a glut at PF and too heavily dependant on 2 below average height guards. Grimes isn't big enough to play a SF spot (I think he is your prototypical SG). Trading RJ and Fournier leaves you no SF at all except maybe Reddish (once again doesn't make sense with how he has been treated here).

And that is not to mention the amount of picks you are giving up while still including RJ 22 year old 20 ppg scorer who can defend (and currently your best prospect).

That trade makes no sense.

The question on RJ was basically is he worth $30M a year. That would be All Star money or a major piece of a deep playoff team. Both things RJ had yet to do.

However, glad we kept him but would have preferred to wait and see how he faired the first half of the season.

It's not $30 million UNLESS he is an All star. Base was $107 over 4 years which is almost 27 mil a season.

By comparison he slots in around 50th highest salary in the league, Just above Derozan and below Brunson.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

Some players within a million dollars of his salary are

Horford
Draymond Green
Lowery gets paid 2 mil more

Look at the lost. There is a steep drop off at around 60 with some good players peppered in.

Not saying $30M is what he got. Just that it was probably what the Knicks figured it would take. The deal that is rumored to have taken place seems to have been less than what they anticipated and the reason Knicks decided to do the extension.
Hoping RJs plays up to his bonuses.
Now we just need that number ONE that fits the roster and timeline. Think DM is that as long as we do not give up the farm. Just don't see Rose and Ainge able to reengage.

KnickDanger wrote:And $30 million a year isn't what it used to be.

LOL 30mm is a LOT for any human. But on to basketball.. Im in absolute favor of this deal Im in absolute favor of not trading for Mitchell Im in absolute favor of signing Brunson and Hartenstein. I wouldve liked to simply take a pick at 11 and not go so nuts on trading them forward pick 11 is high and there were several areas we couldve gone. But Im not gonna nitpick I like what we did I like the team

im hoping Tibs plays 10 guys and keeps our guys fresh. I expect us to win 47-52 games and nothing else with our team is reasonable. Lets go