HofstraBBall wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:
Your base assumption is that visiting a place can be antagonizing enough to go to war over?

US politicians visited Ukraine. Is that also, in your opinion, the same type of visit and equally as a step and declaration against Putin?

I don't buy your assumption and don't think others do. This is a very scripted thing, this visit.

It is not an assumption, it is reality, China has openly talked about military measures, has gotten its fighter jets up in the air, and has amassed troops next to the Straights of Taiwan. It clearly takes this as an affront that it would not pardon, and I question why do we need this escalation right now, especially with Russia already running amok waging a war in Europe.

Is teasing and humiliating China really the best way to support Taiwan? Can the world actually afford such a conflict? Was China making a move against Taiwan that actually had to be countered like that? Is now the best time for the US to be escalating a situation that has been relatively dormant and actually suited everyone relatively well?

Unless someone can explain what am I missing, seems like a high-risk, zero-reward move by Pelosi. A dumb one.

N.B. Ukraine is an independent state. While the United States, right or wrong, officially does not recognize Taiwan as being independent of China.

No. Let's put our tails between our legs and not do anything to upset the big power. Especially something as crazy as a visiting a country with democratic inclinations. Can see the Reps saying Pelosi had no nerve and was being pushed around by China if she decided to back down from a visit. Or maybe that she backed out of visit because Biden is such good friends with China. If China decides to do anything because of free people visiting certain countries, that is exactly what we should go to war over. Allowing Russia and China to dictate what free people should and should not do is exactly what so many American generations have fought against. So **** China and any other government that thinks free souls should be afraid to be free.

This is the Bush (ii) Doctrine. While noble in its aspirations, it has been disastrous in it's application. You also ignore the problematic human rights records of American alliee, Saudi Arabia and Israel for example. Both those countries kill journalists, something I don't think China has ever been accused of.

I'm a believer in the Tupac Doctrine (F the world). US should focus on internal improvements rather than international ones. I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Ford class carriers, but they are hands down the most awesome things ever made. One of those can take out almost any country in the world. But I still think that money could have been better spent building public housing.

gradyandrew wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:
Your base assumption is that visiting a place can be antagonizing enough to go to war over?

US politicians visited Ukraine. Is that also, in your opinion, the same type of visit and equally as a step and declaration against Putin?

I don't buy your assumption and don't think others do. This is a very scripted thing, this visit.

It is not an assumption, it is reality, China has openly talked about military measures, has gotten its fighter jets up in the air, and has amassed troops next to the Straights of Taiwan. It clearly takes this as an affront that it would not pardon, and I question why do we need this escalation right now, especially with Russia already running amok waging a war in Europe.

Is teasing and humiliating China really the best way to support Taiwan? Can the world actually afford such a conflict? Was China making a move against Taiwan that actually had to be countered like that? Is now the best time for the US to be escalating a situation that has been relatively dormant and actually suited everyone relatively well?

Unless someone can explain what am I missing, seems like a high-risk, zero-reward move by Pelosi. A dumb one.

N.B. Ukraine is an independent state. While the United States, right or wrong, officially does not recognize Taiwan as being independent of China.

No. Let's put our tails between our legs and not do anything to upset the big power. Especially something as crazy as a visiting a country with democratic inclinations. Can see the Reps saying Pelosi had no nerve and was being pushed around by China if she decided to back down from a visit. Or maybe that she backed out of visit because Biden is such good friends with China. If China decides to do anything because of free people visiting certain countries, that is exactly what we should go to war over. Allowing Russia and China to dictate what free people should and should not do is exactly what so many American generations have fought against. So **** China and any other government that thinks free souls should be afraid to be free.

This is the Bush (ii) Doctrine. While noble in its aspirations, it has been disastrous in it's application. You also ignore the problematic human rights records of American alliee, Saudi Arabia and Israel for example. Both those countries kill journalists, something I don't think China has ever been accused of.

I'm a believer in the Tupac Doctrine (F the world). US should focus on internal improvements rather than international ones. I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Ford class carriers, but they are hands down the most awesome things ever made. One of those can take out almost any country in the world. But I still think that money could have been better spent building public housing.

In war games small countries like Sweden and France have wiped out not only the Ford class carrier but their entire battlegroups. The real power in the world is under the sea not over it. Carriers would be all destroyed. Russia's reconditioned ships carry large stock piles of missiles that have nuclear capabilities. while the ship itself is an old POS the weapons are very advanced. Carriers dont give us a rate of return. Shouldve spent 1/10 the $ and use the other /9/10 on USA internal problems. We have the biggest military but were moving into a period of time where bigger is not better. Chase peace at all costs

Alpha1971 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:1 So let's say during one of North Korea's periods of threatening to send a launching a war head to the west coast as they do from time to time and China sends a delegation to North Korea or to the UN to support North Koreas diplomats you think the US should start to threaten China with war ?

2 So you think China would respond to a visit from Pelosi to Taiwan with a war with the largest economy in the world with the mightiest nuclear arsenal and conventional arms with a fleets of shops and countless planes to deploy troops rapidly to South East Asia makes any sense to China ?

3 While China owns so much capital in the US. Boy Fox can sell you anything and you will buy it

1. The difference here is the One China policy. Taiwan isn't a country while N. Korea is. China has a long term policy of ending relations with countries that recognize Taiwan. I think China is actually a stabilizing force on the Korean peninsula. They don't want a war there. Painful fact, China is much more peaceful country than America.

2. I don't know. What I'm telling you as someone who has lived in China for 20 years is that this is a red line issue from the top of the country (the president) to the bottom (children and minimum wage workers). I'd say Chinese leadership would almost be forced to go to war if Taiwan declared themselves no longer part of China. This is regardless of the costs of war. I'll even say this: Taiwan is the only issue China will go to war over

3. US owns more capital in China than vice versa.

Well we shall soon see right. Pelosi is going and we shall see the results. But if no war is forthcoming admit your wrong.

It's not an issue of right or wrong. We're talking about WWII. What kind of payout would you want to play a game where you had a 1%, 10% or 50% chance of dying?

foosballnick wrote:Based on your simplistic talking points and finger pointing across the aisle I'll assume you are somewhere between Tucker and Hannity in your political education (or as some would call it....indoctrination). Not to worry though, you still have a serious learning curve ahead to achieve Breitbart and Infowars levels.

The judge in the Paul Pelosi case stepped down the night before the trial. The replacement? A former Napa County deputy district attorney in Monique Langhorn. Yes, she's a registered Democrat too.

Langhorn works in the Napa County Civil Court as a civil court judge. She has never, not once and not for a single instance, presided over a criminal trial.

And who donated to Langhorn's campaign? The current District Attorney, Allison Haley, whom decided NOT to charge Paul Pelosi with a felony, but instead a misdemeanor. And basically enacted a giant shroud around everything.

So no, your insults don't deter me one bit. This thread is about China but also about potential war and also Nancy Pelosi and everything related to her that might make her want to change the current media narrative about her and her family and the financial scandals around them. Do you think Nancy Pelosi wants to voluntarily go somewhere with the risk of her plane being shot down? Or the country being invaded while she's there?

Let's have some real talk here. The GOP is projected to take a majority in the House Of Representatives in the coming Mid Terms. While the Senate looks to be hotly contested, no one is projecting the Democratic Party to hold onto the HOR. No one. Even Nate Silver and 538 is calling the House a lost cause. So once the Republicans take the House, that means Pelosi gets the boot from the Speaker position. That also means Biden will likely be impeached and investigations and hearings will start up. Clearly Twitter, Facebook and Google are on tap, but also Pelosi and her entire family as well.

When Kevin McCarthy ends up as the new Speaker Of The House, then Pelosi will have nowhere left to hide. Even Joe Rogan, with his massive platform, is calling out the insider trading. But it's not just that alone is it? It's clearly happening against the backdrop of massive inflation. People are worried about buying groceries for their children and making rent and filling up their gas tanks to get to work. You think many aren't going to be outraged at Nancy Pelosi, and her husband, flaunting their millions and showing the law doesn't apply to them?

All of this is complete and utter bull****. If Nancy Pelosi was a Republican, it's still bull****. If Nancy Pelosi is a Democrat, which she is, it doesn't change one bit, it remains a giant load of bull****.

How many people here have children? When Pelosi and Biden and the rest of them keep demanding to print more money, whose money do you think they are spending? They are spending your children's money and future away. Your grand children's money and future away. And you want to write that all off as a "Fox News talking point"?

Seriously?

TripleThreat wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Based on your simplistic talking points and finger pointing across the aisle I'll assume you are somewhere between Tucker and Hannity in your political education (or as some would call it....indoctrination). Not to worry though, you still have a serious learning curve ahead to achieve Breitbart and Infowars levels.

The judge in the Paul Pelosi case stepped down the night before the trial. The replacement? A former Napa County deputy district attorney in Monique Langhorn. Yes, she's a registered Democrat too.

Langhorn works in the Napa County Civil Court as a civil court judge. She has never, not once and not for a single instance, presided over a criminal trial.

And who donated to Langhorn's campaign? The current District Attorney, Allison Haley, whom decided NOT to charge Paul Pelosi with a felony, but instead a misdemeanor. And basically enacted a giant shroud around everything.

So no, your insults don't deter me one bit. This thread is about China but also about potential war and also Nancy Pelosi and everything related to her that might make her want to change the current media narrative about her and her family and the financial scandals around them. Do you think Nancy Pelosi wants to voluntarily go somewhere with the risk of her plane being shot down? Or the country being invaded while she's there?

Let's have some real talk here. The GOP is projected to take a majority in the House Of Representatives in the coming Mid Terms. While the Senate looks to be hotly contested, no one is projecting the Democratic Party to hold onto the HOR. No one. Even Nate Silver and 538 is calling the House a lost cause. So once the Republicans take the House, that means Pelosi gets the boot from the Speaker position. That also means Biden will likely be impeached and investigations and hearings will start up. Clearly Twitter, Facebook and Google are on tap, but also Pelosi and her entire family as well.

When Kevin McCarthy ends up as the new Speaker Of The House, then Pelosi will have nowhere left to hide. Even Joe Rogan, with his massive platform, is calling out the insider trading. But it's not just that alone is it? It's clearly happening against the backdrop of massive inflation. People are worried about buying groceries for their children and making rent and filling up their gas tanks to get to work. You think many aren't going to be outraged at Nancy Pelosi, and her husband, flaunting their millions and showing the law doesn't apply to them?

All of this is complete and utter bull****. If Nancy Pelosi was a Republican, it's still bull****. If Nancy Pelosi is a Democrat, which she is, it doesn't change one bit, it remains a giant load of bull****.

How many people here have children? When Pelosi and Biden and the rest of them keep demanding to print more money, whose money do you think they are spending? They are spending your children's money and future away. Your grand children's money and future away. And you want to write that all off as a "Fox News talking point"?

Seriously?

I will say as a former supporter of the conservative causes, I never signed up for the facism that is inbound. You described it well perhaps unknowingly. By the time Fox viewers take note the nation will hit rock bottom. Then and only then return to the center left. Federalist Society will get everything they want in the next few years. Well at least we will have the Knicks to distract us, right.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:What you guys should do is take three weeks off from watching anything that has to do with politics. Stop reading, watching, and listening to any political, social commentary for three weeks.

Ancient Romans used to believe that ostriches, when threatened, buried their heads in the sand, so as to no longer see whatever was threateing them. You are proposing the same strategy right now.

Ancient Greeks used to say that just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. And called people who refused to participate in the political life of their country idiots, that's the origin of the term.

If China is going to do what it does it has nothing to do with Pelosi. To believe Pelosi is the catalyst is ridiculous. We can agree to disagree. Can you just leave it alone and stop trying to convince me or yourself already ???

gradyandrew wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:1 So let's say during one of North Korea's periods of threatening to send a launching a war head to the west coast as they do from time to time and China sends a delegation to North Korea or to the UN to support North Koreas diplomats you think the US should start to threaten China with war ?

2 So you think China would respond to a visit from Pelosi to Taiwan with a war with the largest economy in the world with the mightiest nuclear arsenal and conventional arms with a fleets of shops and countless planes to deploy troops rapidly to South East Asia makes any sense to China ?

3 While China owns so much capital in the US. Boy Fox can sell you anything and you will buy it

1. The difference here is the One China policy. Taiwan isn't a country while N. Korea is. China has a long term policy of ending relations with countries that recognize Taiwan. I think China is actually a stabilizing force on the Korean peninsula. They don't want a war there. Painful fact, China is much more peaceful country than America.

2. I don't know. What I'm telling you as someone who has lived in China for 20 years is that this is a red line issue from the top of the country (the president) to the bottom (children and minimum wage workers). I'd say Chinese leadership would almost be forced to go to war if Taiwan declared themselves no longer part of China. This is regardless of the costs of war. I'll even say this: Taiwan is the only issue China will go to war over

3. US owns more capital in China than vice versa.

So are you Chinese?
Do you think her visit, disrespects, insults or puts down China or the Chinese?
As a guy that has lived in a FREE country ALL of his life, let me tell you that we do not let any government tell us where and where we cannot visit. Nor do we care if a free action causes a bully to lose their ****. As mentioned, China would not be that stupid to start a war with the biggest, best most powerful country in the world ove a head of state visit. Still waiting for Russia to begin "Severe consequences" if we help Ukraine. Some things are worth dying for. Kicking China's ass because they started a war due to a visit to Taiwan would be a lesson to all those that decide to mess with us over such pettiness.

But once again, you either have your feeling hurt because "you spent 20 years there" or just repeating right wing jargon.

TripleThreat wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Based on your simplistic talking points and finger pointing across the aisle I'll assume you are somewhere between Tucker and Hannity in your political education (or as some would call it....indoctrination). Not to worry though, you still have a serious learning curve ahead to achieve Breitbart and Infowars levels.

The judge in the Paul Pelosi case stepped down the night before the trial. The replacement? A former Napa County deputy district attorney in Monique Langhorn. Yes, she's a registered Democrat too.

Langhorn works in the Napa County Civil Court as a civil court judge. She has never, not once and not for a single instance, presided over a criminal trial.

And who donated to Langhorn's campaign? The current District Attorney, Allison Haley, whom decided NOT to charge Paul Pelosi with a felony, but instead a misdemeanor. And basically enacted a giant shroud around everything.

So no, your insults don't deter me one bit. This thread is about China but also about potential war and also Nancy Pelosi and everything related to her that might make her want to change the current media narrative about her and her family and the financial scandals around them. Do you think Nancy Pelosi wants to voluntarily go somewhere with the risk of her plane being shot down? Or the country being invaded while she's there?

Let's have some real talk here. The GOP is projected to take a majority in the House Of Representatives in the coming Mid Terms. While the Senate looks to be hotly contested, no one is projecting the Democratic Party to hold onto the HOR. No one. Even Nate Silver and 538 is calling the House a lost cause. So once the Republicans take the House, that means Pelosi gets the boot from the Speaker position. That also means Biden will likely be impeached and investigations and hearings will start up. Clearly Twitter, Facebook and Google are on tap, but also Pelosi and her entire family as well.

When Kevin McCarthy ends up as the new Speaker Of The House, then Pelosi will have nowhere left to hide. Even Joe Rogan, with his massive platform, is calling out the insider trading. But it's not just that alone is it? It's clearly happening against the backdrop of massive inflation. People are worried about buying groceries for their children and making rent and filling up their gas tanks to get to work. You think many aren't going to be outraged at Nancy Pelosi, and her husband, flaunting their millions and showing the law doesn't apply to them?

All of this is complete and utter bull****. If Nancy Pelosi was a Republican, it's still bull****. If Nancy Pelosi is a Democrat, which she is, it doesn't change one bit, it remains a giant load of bull****.

How many people here have children? When Pelosi and Biden and the rest of them keep demanding to print more money, whose money do you think they are spending? They are spending your children's money and future away. Your grand children's money and future away. And you want to write that all off as a "Fox News talking point"?

Seriously?

Titi on his day off from the internet.

Good to see Titi finally lost some weight.
A shame about info wars. But I am worried about you buddy. See Trump alter sheep have not learned that following pathological liars, who only care about their crazy theologies, does not end well.