technomaster wrote:

Nalod wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Brunson/Grimes = Mike Bibby/Doug Christie?

Don’t stop there! Go all the way. Grimes is Jerry ****ing West! The logo!
And the diminutive side kick is Gail Goodrich. Best back court in the history of the game until In prime Klay and Curry came along. Fuckers could shoot!!!

IN fact, if Utah want him so bad send 4 picks with Donovan for Grimes ALONE!

Grimes

For:

Donovan
Them Gorbert picks. And, send the rights to the euro stash kid so we got something to talk about.

+1

joec32033 wrote:I like Grimes but the only reason he is getting so much love is he is averaging 24 4 and 4 in the damn summer league. Reminds me of all those other threads about guys like Wroten, Frank Williams, Frankie N....guys you need to see this dude against NBA players. He is NOT as good as Donovan Mitchell yet. He is NOT as good as Klay Thompson yet. Right now he is a step or two below a guy like Cuttino Mobley.

Now I don't want him traded either I like his game, honestly I would rather trade IQ I think, but some of these posts are just crazy. The dude is good. He has talent to saying he is better than current established NBA All Stars is freaking insanity. However you view Grimes, even if you HATE Donovan Mitchell, he has not done it on the big stage yet.

Can he be as good as Mitchell? Maybe, but he is going to be a different player. He is more going to be along the lines of a lower level athleticism, higher IQ type player-which is great because their games age well.

I get the love but damn.

anyone saying Grimes is going to be as good as Donovan is I think not familiar with Mitchell's first year.

I think Grimes can be a good player and probably a better fit behind Mitchell and Brunson than IQ- just thinking the 3pt% & defense.

blkexec wrote:

franco12 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I like Grimes but the only reason he is getting so much love is he is averaging 24 4 and 4 in the damn summer league. Reminds me of all those other threads about guys like Wroten, Frank Williams, Frankie N....guys you need to see this dude against NBA players. He is NOT as good as Donovan Mitchell yet. He is NOT as good as Klay Thompson yet. Right now he is a step or two below a guy like Cuttino Mobley.

Now I don't want him traded either I like his game, honestly I would rather trade IQ I think, but some of these posts are just crazy. The dude is good. He has talent to saying he is better than current established NBA All Stars is freaking insanity. However you view Grimes, even if you HATE Donovan Mitchell, he has not done it on the big stage yet.

Can he be as good as Mitchell? Maybe, but he is going to be a different player. He is more going to be along the lines of a lower level athleticism, higher IQ type player-which is great because their games age well.

I get the love but damn.

anyone saying Grimes is going to be as good as Donovan is I think not familiar with Mitchell's first year.

I think Grimes can be a good player and probably a better fit behind Mitchell and Brunson than IQ- just thinking the 3pt% & defense.

It depends on how you define good. Players like melo or Donovan (assuming he’s a volume scorer) I don’t value them as high as most do. I’ve never been a fan of a player that needs to attempt 20 to score 20. Now I haven’t watched Donovan play other than highlights but me personally I value 2 way players especially young unselfish players very high who don’t need to attempt a lot of shots and still impact the game.

Now the issue is not about Donovan vs Grimes but volume shooters vs 2 way players. The other main issue is how the depth of the team will look after the trade. Remember it’s not Donovan for grimes…..that’s a no brainer to turn that down. It’s Donovan vs Grimes, IQ, Obi, Rose and 6 picks.

“If” Donovan is a volume shooter I don’t think that works next to 3 or 4 other volume shooters (Brunson, RJ, Randle, EF). Grimes and all the guys we have to ship out was the best part of this team last season. They constantly out played the starters and towards the end that group was looking like they all should be the starters. Don’t underestimate chemistry. Donovan is not bringing a chip with him. The FO still needs to add more pieces. Basically the pieces they shipped off to get him.

Donovan’s highlights look great but I don’t care for volume shooters or players who just make highlights with iso plays. Again I haven’t watched him up close cause I watch mostly knick games and knick players. But I just think if Ainge gets what he wants it’s never a good thing for us. Think about this. What if Ainge was our GM? You think he makes this trade? Hell no

Hope I’m wrong for us knick fans sake. Assuming the FO eventually folds to utahs demands. Personally it’s fun to watch the yoots grow. And Donovan is not Lebron or Kobe who can single-handedly change a franchise around. Him and Brunson are pieces, and they alone cannot push us to a chip. Not when we still having chemistry issues with RJ and Randle. Or Randle and Fans. Still more questions than answers even after we trade the farm for one volume shooter.

Liking a player's style better is one thing. So is liking a players strengths. But I am seeing posts both here and in other spots about how Grimes is just as good as DMitchell. That is simply factually inaccurate.

Grimes is KILLING the summer league and I pray that it carries over. But in all likelihood, his true stats are going to fall somewhere short of what he is putting up in in the summer league. It's ok to like his game or how he fits, but saying he is a better player just to justify it as a reason to not trade him is not the right approach, IMO.

blkexec wrote:I haven’t heard anybody say Grimes is a better player than Donovan in this thread or outside this thread so let’s slow down.

Now I can understand the argument that Grimes is a better fit, especially in that starting lineup surrounded by 3 volume shooters. Grimes is a low volume impact player. He will play that bullock role. Catch and shoot. 3 and D.

I’ve heard grimes has the POTENTIAL to be like Donovan. I’ve heard that and can see that argument.

If I was adding Donovan to this team I need to trade away RJ or Randle. But I also want to see how JB impacts the team without doing anything. Healthy Rose, no Burks so IQ will get more 4th quarter burn. And Grimes could potentially take his summer league momentum into the season. IQ in his 3rd year and Obi looked like his value is on the rise.

I want Donovan as bad as everyone else. But if the team isn’t constructed to take full advantage of his skill set what’s the point? Donovan needs the ball. All his highlights was after he dribbled the life out the ball. And others just watched. Then you build around that. But if we going to waste years and talking and trying to build around him and not make it past the 2nd round, was it worth it?

Maybe watch other video then?
They won’t all need the ball if they all have long term contracts and buy into a culture. If not, move pieces.

blkexec wrote:I haven’t heard anybody say Grimes is a better player than Donovan in this thread or outside this thread so let’s slow down.

Now I can understand the argument that Grimes is a better fit, especially in that starting lineup surrounded by 3 volume shooters. Grimes is a low volume impact player. He will play that bullock role. Catch and shoot. 3 and D.

I’ve heard grimes has the POTENTIAL to be like Donovan. I’ve heard that and can see that argument.

If I was adding Donovan to this team I need to trade away RJ or Randle. But I also want to see how JB impacts the team without doing anything. Healthy Rose, no Burks so IQ will get more 4th quarter burn. And Grimes could potentially take his summer league momentum into the season. IQ in his 3rd year and Obi looked like his value is on the rise.

I want Donovan as bad as everyone else. But if the team isn’t constructed to take full advantage of his skill set what’s the point? Donovan needs the ball. All his highlights was after he dribbled the life out the ball. And others just watched. Then you build around that. But if we going to waste years and talking and trying to build around him and not make it past the 2nd round, was it worth it?

Not Grines but Quickley from the Mitchell trade thread

The Knicks got their replica of Donovan Mitchell when they drafted Quickley

From this thread

We have finally found a two way starter late in the draft. Great. Now let's trade him for a one way player at the same position. Someone whose d has been exploited in the playoffs, by the opposition. I wonder how that's going to turn out, hmm

Ironically, although Grimes is not an all-star, I truly believe his ceiling is higher than Mitchel’s.

Grimes is going to be a better player than Mitchell in a couple of years. He is already a better 3 point shooter and has better defense.

And I've seen more on Facebook in multiple groups. No disrespect to the original posters these were from three differe t posters if I remember correctly) of these quotes but Grimes would require alot of work to get where DM is and it got got more frequent as summer league went on.

And to be clear...I would like if they kept Grimes. I'd rather trade Quick. I like Grimes defense, his stroke, more importantly his demeanor and attitude on the court. I think he is the type of player that fits on any team. I think Quick is best used off the bench in a super sub role.

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Donovan is a SG/ PG and a volume shooter. His value is on offense. He’s a walking bucket.

Grimes impact on a team is different from Donovan.

We need balance. Donovan is a repeat of RJ and Randle but a much better version. All three of these guys put up a lot of shots and when they not putting up shots, there value drops.

Grimes can be a volume shooter. He’s a gun slinger not afraid to shoot. He can be a lead guard because he has the offensive mentality to grow in that area. In the meantime he can impact a game without putting up a lot of shots. This is why Bullock was a perfect fit for this team that already has several players who put up shots. Now add Brunson and you have a 3rd volume shooter next to RJ and Randle.

I understand some think grimes can be or is better than Donovan. To me it’s because they hold more value in fit and who can impact without leading the team in attempts. If that’s your value then sure Grimes is better for this team than Donovan. But that’s really not the problem.

The problem is Donovan would be the best volume shooter on the team. And it just highlights how we value RJ and Randle. Personally I rather have Donovan than RJ. Similar to what Miami is doing with hero, by shopping him around instead of giving him the max. I think we should do the same with RJ or Randle. I’m not sure RJ will live up to a max contract. Hero to me is a better offensive player and RJ is better at attacking the basket. But both of these guys are flawed. Now that we have JB who attacks the basket. Randle attacks the basket. Trading RJ is not popular and Utah doesn’t want him, but that’s the real problem it’s not grimes. Will RJ reach Donovan level, if my question. Both weak on defense and both depend on their scoring to impact.

joec32033 wrote:

blkexec wrote:Ok can someone explain what’s the point in comparing Grimes and Donovan? Grimes right now is a solid complimentary player who fits with other volume shooters. And he’s a 3andD SG / SF.

Donovan is a SG/ PG and a volume shooter. His value is on offense. He’s a walking bucket.

Grimes impact on a team is different from Donovan.

We need balance. Donovan is a repeat of RJ and Randle but a much better version. All three of these guys put up a lot of shots and when they not putting up shots, there value drops.

Grimes can be a volume shooter. He’s a gun slinger not afraid to shoot. He can be a lead guard because he has the offensive mentality to grow in that area. In the meantime he can impact a game without putting up a lot of shots. This is why Bullock was a perfect fit for this team that already has several players who put up shots. Now add Brunson and you have a 3rd volume shooter next to RJ and Randle.

I understand some think grimes can be or is better than Donovan. To me it’s because they hold more value in fit and who can impact without leading the team in attempts. If that’s your value then sure Grimes is better for this team than Donovan. But that’s really not the problem.

The problem is Donovan would be the best volume shooter on the team. And it just highlights how we value RJ and Randle. Personally I rather have Donovan than RJ. Similar to what Miami is doing with hero, by shopping him around instead of giving him the max. I think we should do the same with RJ or Randle. I’m not sure RJ will live up to a max contract. Hero to me is a better offensive player and RJ is better at attacking the basket. But both of these guys are flawed. Now that we have JB who attacks the basket. Randle attacks the basket. Trading RJ is not popular and Utah doesn’t want him, but that’s the real problem it’s not grimes. Will RJ reach Donovan level, if my question. Both weak on defense and both depend on their scoring to impact.

100% agree on comparing Grimes and Donovan. Although I am higher on Donovan's potential (I see him as a Wade clone ceiling ) I get that he hasn't truly shown out yet. Grimes, I really like. I see him as a combo 1 2 small ball 3. Almost Ron Harper-like, or in that mold.

I have always looked at RJ's ceiling as Paul Pierce with defense. That that really is the player is see when looking at him. When talking about 1A stars and all that there are few in the league. He'll, Garnett, Pierce, and Allan all needed each other. And the league morphed to needing a super team and may be now heading away from that.

RJ may not be able to be THE lead dog on a championship team, but I think he can be a Co-lead dog. And that has to to with attitude, demeanor, and mentality as much as talent.

And personally I wish they built this team like the Celtics with RJ and Cam filling the Tatum and Brown roles. But that is just me.

Donovan is still young so I agree with his ceiling. But like wade, he’s not winning anything without Lebron or Shaq. And to me Wade by himself was not good enough to move the needle for that team. I fear that if we over pay for Donovan the team will be depleted.