BRIGGS wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Brunson is meh. But I'll continue to reserve judgement on this until the moves are actually made. I wasn't that enamored with this draft, so I liked the idea of moving the 11 for future first rounders. The FO did F-up and waaaay overpay to move Kemba's salary though (one more year at eight mil).

You like trading pick # 11 for picks likely to be in the 20s or convey to 2nd rounders? I’m scared when I see the spurs take 3 first rounders Memphis pike drives into rd 1 Oklahoma steals our pick. Even gs picked twice. They had different opinions than u. Pick 11 is pretty good.

Quite frankly you are just whining at this point or you just don't understand what actually was traded for.

Here are the details of the #11 pick trade

• 2023 first round pick via Detroit (protected 1-18 until 2024, protected 1-13 in 2025, protected 1-11 in 2026, protected 1-9 in 2027)
• 2023 first round pick via Washington (protected 1-14 in 2023, protected 1-12 in 2024, protected 1-10 in 2025, protected 1-8 in 2026)
• 2025 first round pick via Milwaukee (protected 1-4) [Denver 2023 protected 1-14 was essentially swapped for this]

That 2023 Detroit pick will convey eventually 2025 or 2026.

Washington 2023 most likely will convey next year or 2024.

CashMoney wrote:

Uptown wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Kemet wrote:Didn't Leon Rose watch the Mavs playoff run .. Brunson needed PG-Dinwiddie playmaker skills, plus PG-Doncic's creative distribution in his lineup to play on the next level. GS Warriors could've SWEPT the Mavs in the WCF.
Brunson is not a max contract player !!!

I agree 1000% …………… YET

Basically we have to over pay him to pry him away from Dallas. But he’s now the quarterback who plays unselfish and selfish when needed. He’s young enough to grow into a van vlette type impact. But he plays strong / downhill. I think it’s a move that might pan out if everybody takes a step forward. And Brunson is that type of player to have the ball in his hands. He’s not afraid of playing next to a star or waving Randle off to run a play. And this is now Year 3. Rose has to over pay to protect his brand as a GM. He needs swing hard but also get on base.

What if RJ and company takes a step forward? What if All star Randle is back? IQ and Obi came on strong. Lots of momentum and playoff expectations if we add Brunson and Mitch back. I believe that team competes in the playoffs better than adding a rookie at 11 just to send him to the gleague.

Rose is playing a long game of chess. Year 3 he had to make a move.

I am a fan of Brunson game. He plays off 2 feet. always on balance, has excellent foot work, is a really good finisher at the rim and is good from lid range. He will be the best pg we had in a while. But, with the way this roster is currently constructed, I don't think he moves the needle that much. I think we will continue to chase a play in spot with no guarantees that we grab one.

Brunson might not move the needle much but the possibility exists.

IMO he makes the Knicks better.

It’s not just about what Brunson does regarding his stats, but I believe having an unselfish PG who’s also skilled enough to get his own, can unleash the potential in certain players. Him and IQ gives us a solid PG rotation for both starters and second unit. But I’m hoping his impact will also be measured by the teams success. Similar to my favorite sleeper on this team in McBride. Certain guys, by their energy and effort in McBride or unselfish floor general with offensive skills in Brunson. These guys elevate the play in teammates around them. And Mitch / Sims now have a strong PG rotation of lobs coming. Mitch might take a step forward adding a young competent PG. What about adding Brunson will reduce the PG play of Randle. What if that helps Randle and RJ play more off the ball, which reduces team TOs. That’s a plus and the impact Brunson can potentially have.

If we don't land Brunson, Rose will be in trouble because the writers will have a field day with the "he can't even recruit his own god son, with his dad as assistant coach- who can he recruit?!" line

Jimbo5 wrote:If the Mavs feel that the knicks will be Brunson's choice and suddenly back's out of their threat not to do a sign and trade, is it possible for the knicks to do a sign and trade give Fournier and hunt and what ever vet is still available to make the salary match and not touch the cap space then use that cap space for another big name free agent? I really like if they can get LaVine or say Beal. I think being able to just sign Brunson wont be enough for them to reach the 6th seed at least.

That is the perfect scenario for the Knicks. We can fix the logjam on the wing, and open playing time for Reddish and Grimes. This of course is all dependent on Brunson forcing his way to NY.

Is there a deal out there worth trading Randle plus 4 1st rounders for a big name? Siakam or OG?

foosballnick wrote:Brunson is meh. But I'll continue to reserve judgement on this until the moves are actually made. I wasn't that enamored with this draft, so I liked the idea of moving the 11 for future first rounders. The FO did F-up and waaaay overpay to move Kemba's salary though (one more year at eight mil).

Did you watch the playoffs? At all?

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:phuck Brunson... we spend last year's max cap space and this year's lottery pick to eventually sign Jalen Phucking Brunson. Absolute trash.

+1.
Why is Brunson some kind of prize that gives this org a pass?

Because the other option was draft another mediocre wing prospect at 11 and we are already overloaded with that

And still no pg

Pretty much. Once Davis was gone I was out on most of these guys. Even if you trade the vets, a guy you don’t love at 11 isn’t playing over Barrett, reddish, grimes and Quickley. People complain about all these guys not playing like there’s a million minutes a game. What’s the point ? If there’s no franchise player available and no holes to plug where a good prospect is avail.

Plus the guys people here were salivating over like Dyson Daniels were already off the board

So we draft an average wing prospect at 11 to do what? Sit behind and watch RJ, Grimes, Fournier, Cam?

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Brunson is meh. But I'll continue to reserve judgement on this until the moves are actually made. I wasn't that enamored with this draft, so I liked the idea of moving the 11 for future first rounders. The FO did F-up and waaaay overpay to move Kemba's salary though (one more year at eight mil).

Did you watch the playoffs? At all?

Yes. Brunson is a nice player but not a $25M per year player. On offense he does everything well well but not spectacularly. He is also not a guard with superior skills to break down a D with penetration. Brunson might be a liability on D especially against taller faster guards. He will make the Knicks better but not bring them near the top in the east.

foosballnick wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Brunson is meh. But I'll continue to reserve judgement on this until the moves are actually made. I wasn't that enamored with this draft, so I liked the idea of moving the 11 for future first rounders. The FO did F-up and waaaay overpay to move Kemba's salary though (one more year at eight mil).

Did you watch the playoffs? At all?

Yes. Brunson is a nice player but not a $25M per year player. On offense he does everything well well but not spectacularly. He is also not a guard with superior skills to break down a D with penetration. Brunson might be a liability on D especially against taller faster guards. He will make the Knicks better but not bring them near the top in the east.

You don’t get stars for 25mil. You get a player better than anyone we could have drafted. He need only play to the contract and if IQ becomes all we hope then we can trade him.
Or trade IQ for high value. If you saw the playoffs you saw this kid HELP carry the team. He is not luka. He would be here to elevate Rj and Randle.

Nalod wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Brunson is meh. But I'll continue to reserve judgement on this until the moves are actually made. I wasn't that enamored with this draft, so I liked the idea of moving the 11 for future first rounders. The FO did F-up and waaaay overpay to move Kemba's salary though (one more year at eight mil).

Did you watch the playoffs? At all?

Yes. Brunson is a nice player but not a $25M per year player. On offense he does everything well well but not spectacularly. He is also not a guard with superior skills to break down a D with penetration. Brunson might be a liability on D especially against taller faster guards. He will make the Knicks better but not bring them near the top in the east.

You don’t get stars for 25mil. You get a player better than anyone we could have drafted. He need only play to the contract and if IQ becomes all we hope then we can trade him.
Or trade IQ for high value. If you saw the playoffs you saw this kid HELP carry the team. He is not luka. He would be here to elevate Rj and Randle.

Dinwiddie is getting $20 mil next season. Brunson isn’t $5 million better?

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Brunson is meh. But I'll continue to reserve judgement on this until the moves are actually made. I wasn't that enamored with this draft, so I liked the idea of moving the 11 for future first rounders. The FO did F-up and waaaay overpay to move Kemba's salary though (one more year at eight mil).

Did you watch the playoffs? At all?

Yes. Brunson is a nice player but not a $25M per year player. On offense he does everything well well but not spectacularly. He is also not a guard with superior skills to break down a D with penetration. Brunson might be a liability on D especially against taller faster guards. He will make the Knicks better but not bring them near the top in the east.

He’s a very good player and exactly what we need. I’m not going to deep dive into capology vortex— there’s dumb starphucing and then there’s the exact opposite inept philosophy of never doing anything because of over analyzing sabermetrics nonsense

The planets are aligned. I agree with Philc.

End of days.