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6/18/2022  7:25 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
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foosballnick wrote:Agree. Simply put both have superior athleticism and can get to the rim, however Ja is a PG and Ivey is a SG. Those who think you'll be able to plug Ivey into a lead guard role as a rookie and he'll be some type of savior will likely be disappointed. His Assist to TO ratio was 2.6 / 2.1 and his decision making is sometimes very questionable. He also shot only .322 from 3. IMO Ivey will be a significant weapon if he continues to develop his outside efficiency and on a team that already has a solid player at the point.

Just to be clear, that was his average for 2 years in college. Shot a respectable 36% on significantly higher volume while being the best player on Purdue in his second season?

And if we are focused on shooting %, and that should weigh heavily on our decision, Agbaji should be the pick. His 3pt% increased every year and was .407% this year with an EFG% .570%.

And his measurables were very nice at the combine. I want to stand pat unless it's to move up for Agbaji.

But you also should project out too. At the same time in their college careers, Agbaji shot 34% from distance.

Knicks already have Grimes. What is Agbaji getting you at #11 that you don't already have?

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We have grimes abs Fournier. Do we need another catch and shoot sg?
We have an athletic f who barely plays. Do we need dieng sochan aj griffin

We do need a playmaker. We lack playmakers. Guys who make others better

Who’s the playmakers in this draft? And what position will they play? Is Ty Ty a playmaker? I believe Ivey is or can be a playmaker at the nba level. Agree that Ivey is not on Ja level as a PG. When I said that, I was talking about his athleticism and how he attacks the rim and his slow release form on his 3s.

I agree we need playmakers. But I don’t see the issue drafting another grimes. We need talent and Thibs for the most part. Would play grimes over a rookie. So does it really matter? Unless we trade up, that’s when thibs will be forced to play the rookie. If the FO gives up assets snd picks to move up, thibs better play Ivey for example snd he will. But pick 11 probably not getting a lot of playing time unless the end of the season made thibs change his coaching philosophy. But he will or should play grimes, IQ and other youngsters heavy mins.

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6/18/2022  12:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/18/2022  12:53 PM
On the Bart and Hahn show they were discussing if the Knicks could pull off an Ivy trade, but Bart seemed quite sure the Pistons would trade up to the Kings pick and draft him. Hahn asked if this was based on intel or a hunch and Bart avoided the question twice. He then mentioned that Ivy's dad and grandad both played for Detroit in the NFL and that's why it might have some allure for Ivy too.

That's interesting because Bart is a former NFL player so if it is based on intel it's likely coming via the dad or someone connected to him.

Add to this Ivy's recent tweets:

Seems to indicate he kind of knows were he's going andtThe 'destined' tweet would make sense if he knew Detroit were taking him (due to his dad and Gr and playing for the city.

Wow said the Pistons were interested in moving up for Ivy, Plus the Kings want a win now player, so likely Kings could get J Grant from the Pistons AND only have to move down one spot, where they could draft an nab ready PF like Murray or take a gamble on Sharpe, or draft the best SG available. If Detroit want Ivy, they can easily offer a better suited package than we can.

Add it all together and I think the Pistons end up with him- makes sense. Once again we get outbid
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6/18/2022  1:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/18/2022  1:30 PM
blkexec wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
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foosballnick wrote:Agree. Simply put both have superior athleticism and can get to the rim, however Ja is a PG and Ivey is a SG. Those who think you'll be able to plug Ivey into a lead guard role as a rookie and he'll be some type of savior will likely be disappointed. His Assist to TO ratio was 2.6 / 2.1 and his decision making is sometimes very questionable. He also shot only .322 from 3. IMO Ivey will be a significant weapon if he continues to develop his outside efficiency and on a team that already has a solid player at the point.

Just to be clear, that was his average for 2 years in college. Shot a respectable 36% on significantly higher volume while being the best player on Purdue in his second season?

And if we are focused on shooting %, and that should weigh heavily on our decision, Agbaji should be the pick. His 3pt% increased every year and was .407% this year with an EFG% .570%.

And his measurables were very nice at the combine. I want to stand pat unless it's to move up for Agbaji.

But you also should project out too. At the same time in their college careers, Agbaji shot 34% from distance.

Knicks already have Grimes. What is Agbaji getting you at #11 that you don't already have?

Martin dead on
We have grimes abs Fournier. Do we need another catch and shoot sg?
We have an athletic f who barely plays. Do we need dieng sochan aj griffin

We do need a playmaker. We lack playmakers. Guys who make others better

Who’s the playmakers in this draft? And what position will they play? Is Ty Ty a playmaker? I believe Ivey is or can be a playmaker at the nba level. Agree that Ivey is not on Ja level as a PG. When I said that, I was talking about his athleticism and how he attacks the rim and his slow release form on his 3s.

I agree we need playmakers. But I don’t see the issue drafting another grimes. We need talent and Thibs for the most part. Would play grimes over a rookie. So does it really matter? Unless we trade up, that’s when thibs will be forced to play the rookie. If the FO gives up assets snd picks to move up, thibs better play Ivey for example snd he will. But pick 11 probably not getting a lot of playing time unless the end of the season made thibs change his coaching philosophy. But he will or should play grimes, IQ and other youngsters heavy mins.

The issue isn't drafting another Grimes, my issue is passing up on guys who may have higher upside, along with providing aspects of the game that are missing on the roster. We need creators. Not just playermakees, but guys who can create shots for themselves in general. I just don't see Agbaji being able to do that on a consistent basis.

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6/18/2022  1:55 PM
smackeddog wrote:On the Bart and Hahn show they were discussing if the Knicks could pull off an Ivy trade, but Bart seemed quite sure the Pistons would trade up to the Kings pick and draft him. Hahn asked if this was based on intel or a hunch and Bart avoided the question twice. He then mentioned that Ivy's dad and grandad both played for Detroit in the NFL and that's why it might have some allure for Ivy too.

That's interesting because Bart is a former NFL player so if it is based on intel it's likely coming via the dad or someone connected to him.

Add to this Ivy's recent tweets:

Seems to indicate he kind of knows were he's going andtThe 'destined' tweet would make sense if he knew Detroit were taking him (due to his dad and Gr and playing for the city.

Wow said the Pistons were interested in moving up for Ivy, Plus the Kings want a win now player, so likely Kings could get J Grant from the Pistons AND only have to move down one spot, where they could draft an nab ready PF like Murray or take a gamble on Sharpe, or draft the best SG available. If Detroit want Ivy, they can easily offer a better suited package than we can.

Add it all together and I think the Pistons end up with him- makes sense. Once again we get outbid

This kinda sorta makes sense to me from both team's perspective.

Detroit would have Cade and Ivey in the backcourt with Saddiq Bey at the 3. That's a nice, young trio to build around. Harrison Barnes would be swapped to Detroit to make salaries work?

Sac lineup would be Sabonis, JGrant, Murray, Fox, Mitchell.

Kings owner gets his guy in Murray and a better player in Grant (over Harrison)?

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6/18/2022  2:16 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:On the Bart and Hahn show they were discussing if the Knicks could pull off an Ivy trade, but Bart seemed quite sure the Pistons would trade up to the Kings pick and draft him. Hahn asked if this was based on intel or a hunch and Bart avoided the question twice. He then mentioned that Ivy's dad and grandad both played for Detroit in the NFL and that's why it might have some allure for Ivy too.

That's interesting because Bart is a former NFL player so if it is based on intel it's likely coming via the dad or someone connected to him.

Add to this Ivy's recent tweets:

Seems to indicate he kind of knows were he's going andtThe 'destined' tweet would make sense if he knew Detroit were taking him (due to his dad and Gr and playing for the city.

Wow said the Pistons were interested in moving up for Ivy, Plus the Kings want a win now player, so likely Kings could get J Grant from the Pistons AND only have to move down one spot, where they could draft an nab ready PF like Murray or take a gamble on Sharpe, or draft the best SG available. If Detroit want Ivy, they can easily offer a better suited package than we can.

Add it all together and I think the Pistons end up with him- makes sense. Once again we get outbid

This kinda sorta makes sense to me from both team's perspective.

Detroit would have Cade and Ivey in the backcourt with Saddiq Bey at the 3. That's a nice, young trio to build around. Harrison Barnes would be swapped to Detroit to make salaries work?

Sac lineup would be Sabonis, JGrant, Murray, Fox, Mitchell.

Kings owner gets his guy in Murray and a better player in Grant (over Harrison)?

OKC is another team I feel will go after Ivey. They have 3 picks in the first round. If they swap two of them plus another player, they can come out with a top three and Ivey. Quite a haul.

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HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:On the Bart and Hahn show they were discussing if the Knicks could pull off an Ivy trade, but Bart seemed quite sure the Pistons would trade up to the Kings pick and draft him. Hahn asked if this was based on intel or a hunch and Bart avoided the question twice. He then mentioned that Ivy's dad and grandad both played for Detroit in the NFL and that's why it might have some allure for Ivy too.

That's interesting because Bart is a former NFL player so if it is based on intel it's likely coming via the dad or someone connected to him.

Add to this Ivy's recent tweets:

Seems to indicate he kind of knows were he's going andtThe 'destined' tweet would make sense if he knew Detroit were taking him (due to his dad and Gr and playing for the city.

Wow said the Pistons were interested in moving up for Ivy, Plus the Kings want a win now player, so likely Kings could get J Grant from the Pistons AND only have to move down one spot, where they could draft an nab ready PF like Murray or take a gamble on Sharpe, or draft the best SG available. If Detroit want Ivy, they can easily offer a better suited package than we can.

Add it all together and I think the Pistons end up with him- makes sense. Once again we get outbid

This kinda sorta makes sense to me from both team's perspective.

Detroit would have Cade and Ivey in the backcourt with Saddiq Bey at the 3. That's a nice, young trio to build around. Harrison Barnes would be swapped to Detroit to make salaries work?

Sac lineup would be Sabonis, JGrant, Murray, Fox, Mitchell.

Kings owner gets his guy in Murray and a better player in Grant (over Harrison)?

OKC is another team I feel will go after Ivey. They have 3 picks in the first round. If they swap two of them plus another player, they can come out with a top three and Ivey. Quite a haul.

I think OKC has 2 picks in the first round now that they traded #30 to Denver?

They have #2 and #12.

I don't know what win-now players OKC would have to make trading up from #12 to satisfy a Sac team that wants to make playoffs but they sure got a lot of future picks... which are not short term useful for Kings unless another team gets introduced.

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6/18/2022  3:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/18/2022  3:25 PM
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:On the Bart and Hahn show they were discussing if the Knicks could pull off an Ivy trade, but Bart seemed quite sure the Pistons would trade up to the Kings pick and draft him. Hahn asked if this was based on intel or a hunch and Bart avoided the question twice. He then mentioned that Ivy's dad and grandad both played for Detroit in the NFL and that's why it might have some allure for Ivy too.

That's interesting because Bart is a former NFL player so if it is based on intel it's likely coming via the dad or someone connected to him.

Add to this Ivy's recent tweets:

Seems to indicate he kind of knows were he's going andtThe 'destined' tweet would make sense if he knew Detroit were taking him (due to his dad and Gr and playing for the city.

Wow said the Pistons were interested in moving up for Ivy, Plus the Kings want a win now player, so likely Kings could get J Grant from the Pistons AND only have to move down one spot, where they could draft an nab ready PF like Murray or take a gamble on Sharpe, or draft the best SG available. If Detroit want Ivy, they can easily offer a better suited package than we can.

Add it all together and I think the Pistons end up with him- makes sense. Once again we get outbid

This kinda sorta makes sense to me from both team's perspective.

Detroit would have Cade and Ivey in the backcourt with Saddiq Bey at the 3. That's a nice, young trio to build around. Harrison Barnes would be swapped to Detroit to make salaries work?

Sac lineup would be Sabonis, JGrant, Murray, Fox, Mitchell.

Kings owner gets his guy in Murray and a better player in Grant (over Harrison)?

OKC is another team I feel will go after Ivey. They have 3 picks in the first round. If they swap two of them plus another player, they can come out with a top three and Ivey. Quite a haul.

I think OKC has 2 picks in the first round now that they traded #30 to Denver?

They have #2 and #12.

I don't know what win-now players OKC would have to make trading up from #12 to satisfy a Sac team that wants to make playoffs but they sure got a lot of future picks... which are not short term useful for Kings unless another team gets introduced.

You are right. Missed that trade for Green a few days ago. Gives them the 34th instead of 30th. Probably rules them out for Ivey. And as youInteresting though. That give Denver the 21st and 30th. Yet another team the Knicks could trade down with. Charlotte is another but they are in a great position to get two solid picks at 13 and 15.
They have done a nice job rebuilding through draft.

Yet another blogger's proposal for Knicks and Ivey.
https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/06/05/nba-mock-draft-knicks-trade-magic-banchero/

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HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:On the Bart and Hahn show they were discussing if the Knicks could pull off an Ivy trade, but Bart seemed quite sure the Pistons would trade up to the Kings pick and draft him. Hahn asked if this was based on intel or a hunch and Bart avoided the question twice. He then mentioned that Ivy's dad and grandad both played for Detroit in the NFL and that's why it might have some allure for Ivy too.

That's interesting because Bart is a former NFL player so if it is based on intel it's likely coming via the dad or someone connected to him.

Add to this Ivy's recent tweets:

Seems to indicate he kind of knows were he's going andtThe 'destined' tweet would make sense if he knew Detroit were taking him (due to his dad and Gr and playing for the city.

Wow said the Pistons were interested in moving up for Ivy, Plus the Kings want a win now player, so likely Kings could get J Grant from the Pistons AND only have to move down one spot, where they could draft an nab ready PF like Murray or take a gamble on Sharpe, or draft the best SG available. If Detroit want Ivy, they can easily offer a better suited package than we can.

Add it all together and I think the Pistons end up with him- makes sense. Once again we get outbid

This kinda sorta makes sense to me from both team's perspective.

Detroit would have Cade and Ivey in the backcourt with Saddiq Bey at the 3. That's a nice, young trio to build around. Harrison Barnes would be swapped to Detroit to make salaries work?

Sac lineup would be Sabonis, JGrant, Murray, Fox, Mitchell.

Kings owner gets his guy in Murray and a better player in Grant (over Harrison)?

OKC is another team I feel will go after Ivey. They have 3 picks in the first round. If they swap two of them plus another player, they can come out with a top three and Ivey. Quite a haul.

I think OKC has 2 picks in the first round now that they traded #30 to Denver?

They have #2 and #12.

I don't know what win-now players OKC would have to make trading up from #12 to satisfy a Sac team that wants to make playoffs but they sure got a lot of future picks... which are not short term useful for Kings unless another team gets introduced.

You are right. Missed that trade for Green a few days ago. Gives them the 34th instead of 30th. Probably rules them out for Ivey. And as youInteresting though. That give Denver the 21st and 30th. Yet another team the Knicks could trade down with. Charlotte is another but they are in a great position to get two solid picks at 13 and 15.
They have done a nice job rebuilding through draft.

Yet another blogger's proposal for Knicks and Ivey.
https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/06/05/nba-mock-draft-knicks-trade-magic-banchero/

I think 5 is too low for Ivey and too high for Daniels. I don't like that proposal and would rather stand pat.

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6/18/2022  3:45 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:On the Bart and Hahn show they were discussing if the Knicks could pull off an Ivy trade, but Bart seemed quite sure the Pistons would trade up to the Kings pick and draft him. Hahn asked if this was based on intel or a hunch and Bart avoided the question twice. He then mentioned that Ivy's dad and grandad both played for Detroit in the NFL and that's why it might have some allure for Ivy too.

That's interesting because Bart is a former NFL player so if it is based on intel it's likely coming via the dad or someone connected to him.

Add to this Ivy's recent tweets:

Seems to indicate he kind of knows were he's going andtThe 'destined' tweet would make sense if he knew Detroit were taking him (due to his dad and Gr and playing for the city.

Wow said the Pistons were interested in moving up for Ivy, Plus the Kings want a win now player, so likely Kings could get J Grant from the Pistons AND only have to move down one spot, where they could draft an nab ready PF like Murray or take a gamble on Sharpe, or draft the best SG available. If Detroit want Ivy, they can easily offer a better suited package than we can.

Add it all together and I think the Pistons end up with him- makes sense. Once again we get outbid

This kinda sorta makes sense to me from both team's perspective.

Detroit would have Cade and Ivey in the backcourt with Saddiq Bey at the 3. That's a nice, young trio to build around. Harrison Barnes would be swapped to Detroit to make salaries work?

Sac lineup would be Sabonis, JGrant, Murray, Fox, Mitchell.

Kings owner gets his guy in Murray and a better player in Grant (over Harrison)?

Yep, kind of obvious now when you add it all up and if we take off our Knicks-tinted glasses- forgot about that article that said the Kings owner was a big fan of Murray
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6/18/2022  8:41 PM
I'd do Randle, 11th, Cam, Dallas 23, one of Grimes/Deuce/Sims/Rokas and expirings. Not our own 23 and no unprotected future picks either. Take it or leave it.
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6/19/2022  5:47 PM
Ivey is going top 3 especially if the rumors of Holmgren sliding are true
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6/20/2022  8:36 AM
Is it that Chet is sliding or others rising?
If Rumors? Or was it one mock did it to clickbait viewership?

Naturally we hype the trade rumors than we paint knick as not being “aggressive” but we know nothing about about offers by them or other teams. Me? IM not reading he is a sure thing and thus have to temper what price I’d pay.
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Nalod wrote:Is it that Chet is sliding or others rising?
If Rumors? Or was it one mock did it to clickbait viewership?

Naturally we hype the trade rumors than we paint knick as not being “aggressive” but we know nothing about about offers by them or other teams. Me? IM not reading he is a sure thing and thus have to temper what price I’d pay.

Agreed... don't give up a bunch of assets for an unknown. I told my friend who's a Knick fan to turn off all news related to Knicks as the week is all about clickbait .. no sense stressing about basically lies...
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6/20/2022  5:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/20/2022  5:38 PM
Those rumors today regards to Ivey, KINGs either likely keep pick#4, asking price is $$$ high
OR use it to acquire J.Collins from HAWKs. Other than the Ivey #4 pick it's being said J.Collins
isn't returning and Sacramento highly interested in Collins, potentially a star.

I can see the HAWKs putting G Ivey and stud Trae Young together. INSTANT Guard Trouble for rest of NBA 2022/23

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2022/6/20/23175732/2022-nba-draft-rumors-sacramento-kings-keegan-murray-john-collins-trade-hawks

Shoot.. Knicks can't play in any of this Ivey rumors, unfortunately a Fact.

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DJMUSIC wrote:Those rumors today regards to Ivey, KINGs either likely keep pick#4, asking price is $$$ high
OR use it to acquire J.Collins from HAWKs. Other than the Ivey #4 pick it's being said J.Collins
isn't returning and Sacramento highly interested in Collins, potentially a star.

I can see the HAWKs putting G Ivey and stud Trae Young together. INSTANT Guard Trouble for rest of NBA 2022/23

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2022/6/20/23175732/2022-nba-draft-rumors-sacramento-kings-keegan-murray-john-collins-trade-hawks

Shoot.. Knicks can't play in any of this Ivey rumors, unfortunately a Fact.

Collins Hawk, Likely to be traded
https://sports.yahoo.com/john-collins-likely-traded-170308203.html

I don’t know what to believe anymore- I do like all the draft and free agency speculation though!
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6/20/2022  8:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/20/2022  8:31 PM
How to get Ivey without losing RJ, Obi or IQ is tough. I’m guessing to pull in another 1 or 2 teams. 11 goes to a team that can get Sac the best win-now player possible. Either J Grant or Brogdon stand out to get them a quality starter that could move the needle. Plus a lightly protected 2023 pick (Or the better of the Knicks and Dallas pick). Then as a bonus, maybe using Jokubaitis rights to get back a quality rotation player or draft asset for Sac. I think that’s the minimum package. They need a high quality starter (maybe with a contract extension commitment) and multiple future picks to get into the convo.
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The knicks trading up rumor is still lingering around, if the price is someone not named RJ, Obi and Quickley plus 2 more 1st round picks (top 5-10 protected) aside from the 11th this year, il pull the trigger to get Ivey. The chances of these picks being top 5 is very slim with Thibs coaching. I wish knicks fans will be pleasantly surprised with an Ivey pick on the draft hopefully securing a franchise point guard this team has been craving for.

Can a repeat of the Mitch pick happen if we stick to 11? Being this year's mystery man can Sharp fall back to 11?
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Jimbo5 wrote:The knicks trading up rumor is still lingering around, if the price is someone not named RJ, Obi and Quickley plus 2 more 1st round picks (top 5-10 protected) aside from the 11th this year, il pull the trigger to get Ivey. The chances of these picks being top 5 is very slim with Thibs coaching. I wish knicks fans will be pleasantly surprised with an Ivey pick on the draft hopefully securing a franchise point guard this team has been craving for.

Can a repeat of the Mitch pick happen if we stick to 11? Being this year's mystery man can Sharp fall back to 11?

There's a lot of smoke but what stops me believing it will happen is every other team mentioned has a better pick, and can outbid us with more attractive win now players and the same future picks we have- OKC could either just draft Ivey with the no 2 OR trade their haul of future picks and Dort (if they wanted to move up from 12). Pistons can trade the 5th and Grant. Pacers could trade Duarte, or Brogdon or whatever plus firsts. hawks could easily outbid us player wise, Pelicans can trade their 1sts (they have the 8th), the firsts they got from the Lakers or Bucks plus Trey Murphy or some other player on their roster. Wizards could do Advija, Rui, Kuzma, KCP, their first etc.

Unless the Kings are crazy and would love Randle and Fournier/Burkes/Rose/Noel, I just don't get why they would pick us over any other of those teams.
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smackeddog wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:The knicks trading up rumor is still lingering around, if the price is someone not named RJ, Obi and Quickley plus 2 more 1st round picks (top 5-10 protected) aside from the 11th this year, il pull the trigger to get Ivey. The chances of these picks being top 5 is very slim with Thibs coaching. I wish knicks fans will be pleasantly surprised with an Ivey pick on the draft hopefully securing a franchise point guard this team has been craving for.

Can a repeat of the Mitch pick happen if we stick to 11? Being this year's mystery man can Sharp fall back to 11?

There's a lot of smoke but what stops me believing it will happen is every other team mentioned has a better pick, and can outbid us with more attractive win now players and the same future picks we have- OKC could either just draft Ivey with the no 2 OR trade their haul of future picks and Dort (if they wanted to move up from 12). Pistons can trade the 5th and Grant. Pacers could trade Duarte, or Brogdon or whatever plus firsts. hawks could easily outbid us player wise, Pelicans can trade their 1sts (they have the 8th), the firsts they got from the Lakers or Bucks plus Trey Murphy or some other player on their roster. Wizards could do Advija, Rui, Kuzma, KCP, their first etc.

Unless the Kings are crazy and would love Randle and Fournier/Burkes/Rose/Noel, I just don't get why they would pick us over any other of those teams.

But they seem more interested in players than picks

The deal has to be Randle. One tenet of negotiating is to focus on the other guys problems and needs. Who else can offer an Allstar let alone all nba a season removed. All Sacramento has to believe is knicks fans are rough and Julius needs a change of scenery

If we trade RJ we just create a hole at 2 (where he should be playing)

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6/21/2022  2:33 PM
If the Knicks move picks for Ivey and commit to building around RJ and Ivey, there will be real reasons for optimism as it feels like a real plan. It makes the team more exciting for the fans, gives the front office a longer leash, and allows more flexibility with cap space as long as Ivey is on a rookie deal and the only real long term contracts are Barrett and Randle. Obviously the success of the play hinges on RJ and Ivey developing into stars, but that’s the gamble any team needs to take. Ivey still feels like a bit of a pipe dream, but using the CAA connections to back themselves into acquiring Ivey is a reason Rose was brought in.
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