Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:well, I love Melo and thought he was one of our very best players

I thought Randle's season two seasons ago was one of the very best seasons in franchise history

I'd say right now I am 49 percent in favor of keeping him, and 51 percent in favor of trading him. Melo was not mentally fragile. He didn't feel compelled to tell me or his dissenters to stfu. I guess I question if Randle is man enough for NYC

I'm right there with you - although I may be closer to 45% keep him/55% trade him. I tend to flip flop lately.

Rehabbing his game/value obviously going to yield best returns (whether we keep or trade). I really don't think fixing his game is that complicated. A lot of the struggles came from his outside shot this year. 2021 Randle hit it at a good clip, opening up lanes, collapsing defenses leaving other guys open. 2022 Randle just couldn't find his groove. Defense slags, and we see more dribbling, more iso, more turnovers. If there's one thing I could have him work on this summer, it's the 3 (or at least the 18 footer).

At the same time, his overall demeanor and disinterest this year is pretty damning. Be frustrated, whatever, but the way he let that impact him is too toxic. He is clearly not comfortable handing over the reigns to RJ and has destroyed whatever confidence I had in him to actually be a leader on this team. Melo, even with his stubbornness, handled the NY pressure and media as well as you can. If Randle handled it the same, we'd be talking about a disappointing year, but I don't think pushing him out the door.

Big summer for the FO. Need to keep constant tabs on Julius and figure out of we're in for another Player's Tribune article or a jar of Vaseline.

Agree with both of you though tilting more toward dumping Randle because that attitude can become cancerous.

i suspect if after the thumbs-down, STFU incident he had played out of his mind and made us shut up, we'd be having a different conversation.

That said, i think Randle's and RJ's success two years ago were largely the result of Thibs. People don't just magically increase their shooting % that much in one year by becoming more accurate -- at least not IMO. Instead, the coach had them taking less bad shots and sticking to the shots they could hit. Teams got wise to this and by the next season adjusted and the Knicks didn't or couldn't counter-adjust. Randle forced things resorting to old bad habits of ISO,etc.

this is a pivotal year. I think the FO is going to give Randle another chance yet honestly open to legitimate deals. There are a lot of guys on Knicks who seem to genuinely enjoy playing for one another; Randle needs to shape up or be shipped out

For the 100th time. He told a reporter to STFU. Not fans.
He only gave tumb down to the boo. Lets not blow it out of proportion. Not like he took a dump on the Knick logo and gave fans the finger.

All that and other, and there was no evidence he was a cancer. This team never stopped fighting and Thibs never lost them. The yoot look joyful and teh vets like Taj, and Burks were all in.

All we got are argumentative Randle who was not focused on defense at times. Not good, but awful. We got one incident where he argued with an assist and we don’t know what the deal was. shove a video in his face while heated? He might have said “Get that out of my face, I know what I did wrong”? NOt “Im gonna kill you and your whole family if you dare to question my royalty”. What was it?

Not even me says he is without fault and needs to find a lessor role or better outward attitude to either his internall frustration or that with teammates. But lets not go so far to say we know what is going on. If its bad, lets discuss it. If its not, why make things up?

The bolded is not true at all...The reporter asked randle what he meant by the thumbs down to the crowd and randle said "Shut the F*** up!"

If you need on the court evidence, check the 4 second mark (ignore the voice over and read his lips).

Good catch. I suppose I’ll act like everyone else and say “it don’t matter”………….

I’ll add some context. My son sat front row center at a game in another city between two teams. Got comp’t big time. The banter between fans and players was far more than he ever imagined. Reggie Jackson was the focus of and he talked back. He said the playful nature/passive aggresive mix was incredible. A lot of **** talking but it was all good. I see Randle in those videos scoring buckets then installing his dominance in the mooment “I run **** here”. Im good with him not liking the booing and it fueled the moment for him.

I was wrong the way he answered the question. fans booed, then he explained what he felt. Score a bucket then say STFU is not the same.

The game? That was the Celtic game. He got booed. They came back and won. And y’all are like “Big Jules told me to stfu, its my right as a cable watcher to get offended! After all, I pay my cable bill just likek everyone else!

Thanks for that video. I want that player who gets booed then gets mad and we win the game. Thats when RJ got the game winner. Great game. Did not turn our season around but fans embrace that and want him gone for it? Damn……………..I want a bad man like that on my team!!!! If we can turn it around and its not all on his back, he’ll be just fine. Melo was a star long before he got here. Randle ascended when here. He has to learn the role and make some adjustments and understad while he might be the 47th highes paid player, it comes with scrutiny .

Nalod wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:well, I love Melo and thought he was one of our very best players

I thought Randle's season two seasons ago was one of the very best seasons in franchise history

I'd say right now I am 49 percent in favor of keeping him, and 51 percent in favor of trading him. Melo was not mentally fragile. He didn't feel compelled to tell me or his dissenters to stfu. I guess I question if Randle is man enough for NYC

I'm right there with you - although I may be closer to 45% keep him/55% trade him. I tend to flip flop lately.

Rehabbing his game/value obviously going to yield best returns (whether we keep or trade). I really don't think fixing his game is that complicated. A lot of the struggles came from his outside shot this year. 2021 Randle hit it at a good clip, opening up lanes, collapsing defenses leaving other guys open. 2022 Randle just couldn't find his groove. Defense slags, and we see more dribbling, more iso, more turnovers. If there's one thing I could have him work on this summer, it's the 3 (or at least the 18 footer).

At the same time, his overall demeanor and disinterest this year is pretty damning. Be frustrated, whatever, but the way he let that impact him is too toxic. He is clearly not comfortable handing over the reigns to RJ and has destroyed whatever confidence I had in him to actually be a leader on this team. Melo, even with his stubbornness, handled the NY pressure and media as well as you can. If Randle handled it the same, we'd be talking about a disappointing year, but I don't think pushing him out the door.

Big summer for the FO. Need to keep constant tabs on Julius and figure out of we're in for another Player's Tribune article or a jar of Vaseline.

Agree with both of you though tilting more toward dumping Randle because that attitude can become cancerous.

i suspect if after the thumbs-down, STFU incident he had played out of his mind and made us shut up, we'd be having a different conversation.

That said, i think Randle's and RJ's success two years ago were largely the result of Thibs. People don't just magically increase their shooting % that much in one year by becoming more accurate -- at least not IMO. Instead, the coach had them taking less bad shots and sticking to the shots they could hit. Teams got wise to this and by the next season adjusted and the Knicks didn't or couldn't counter-adjust. Randle forced things resorting to old bad habits of ISO,etc.

this is a pivotal year. I think the FO is going to give Randle another chance yet honestly open to legitimate deals. There are a lot of guys on Knicks who seem to genuinely enjoy playing for one another; Randle needs to shape up or be shipped out

For the 100th time. He told a reporter to STFU. Not fans.
He only gave tumb down to the boo. Lets not blow it out of proportion. Not like he took a dump on the Knick logo and gave fans the finger.

All that and other, and there was no evidence he was a cancer. This team never stopped fighting and Thibs never lost them. The yoot look joyful and teh vets like Taj, and Burks were all in.

All we got are argumentative Randle who was not focused on defense at times. Not good, but awful. We got one incident where he argued with an assist and we don’t know what the deal was. shove a video in his face while heated? He might have said “Get that out of my face, I know what I did wrong”? NOt “Im gonna kill you and your whole family if you dare to question my royalty”. What was it?

Not even me says he is without fault and needs to find a lessor role or better outward attitude to either his internall frustration or that with teammates. But lets not go so far to say we know what is going on. If its bad, lets discuss it. If its not, why make things up?

The bolded is not true at all...The reporter asked randle what he meant by the thumbs down to the crowd and randle said "Shut the F*** up!"

If you need on the court evidence, check the 4 second mark (ignore the voice over and read his lips).

Good catch. I suppose I’ll act like everyone else and say “it don’t matter”………….

I’ll add some context. My son sat front row center at a game in another city between two teams. Got comp’t big time. The banter between fans and players was far more than he ever imagined. Reggie Jackson was the focus of and he talked back. He said the playful nature/passive aggresive mix was incredible. A lot of **** talking but it was all good. I see Randle in those videos scoring buckets then installing his dominance in the mooment “I run **** here”. Im good with him not liking the booing and it fueled the moment for him.

I was wrong the way he answered the question. fans booed, then he explained what he felt. Score a bucket then say STFU is not the same.

The game? That was the Celtic game. He got booed. They came back and won. And y’all are like “Big Jules told me to stfu, its my right as a cable watcher to get offended! After all, I pay my cable bill just likek everyone else!

Thanks for that video. I want that player who gets booed then gets mad and we win the game. Thats when RJ got the game winner. Great game. Did not turn our season around but fans embrace that and want him gone for it? Damn……………..I want a bad man like that on my team!!!! If we can turn it around and its not all on his back, he’ll be just fine. Melo was a star long before he got here. Randle ascended when here. He has to learn the role and make some adjustments and understad while he might be the 47th highes paid player, it comes with scrutiny .

Comparing Randle's behavior to R. Jackson to justify cussing at his own/hometown fans doesn't help much. Nobody cares if he says, "I run **** here." Fans care when he is so thin-skinned that he believes he is entitled to praise regardless of his performance. It's easy to show character and maturity when everyone is kissing your butt. A mature/great player understands how support/criticism works in the NBA and they are usually their own worst critic. I'm not offended and could care less on a personal note - but his behavior clearly shows either his ego, pride and/or maturity are lacking. This is not an isolated incident as everyone has instances of immaturity, ego bruising, etc...

If he had Lebron's talent level it would be easier to justify the importance of keeping him - but it's not close and the attitude impact can be cancerous to other young players in the locker room. As much as I was not a Melo fan - he endured far worse criticism and booing for several seasons and kept it together - and this was coming home for him. Randle is from Dallas and bit off more than he could chew in NY IMO. It's fine, it happens and I do believe if we send him to Portland, Dallas, Denver or any other team where he is the 3rd star and he would likely excel. But in all probability it's not happening here.

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jrodmc wrote:I swear I did not put Berman up to this.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/outerlink.asp?id=146742774

So both Marbles and Melo have Berman as a groupie? LMAO

Was watching game 4 vs Miami. Think some have a point. Melo should have gotten us that series win. I mean we had solid chip team core guys like Bibby, Fields, Jeffries, old Davis, one handed STAT, experienced Harrelson, high IQ Smith and solid defenders like Novak. Sure Miami had Bosh, LBJ and Wade but what have they done? Not to mention we would have swept if JLin did not get (cough cough) hurt.

Randles stats have largely been empty his entire career. Melo for all his faults was able to get the Knicks to the playoffs in spite of some of the more questionable moves we have ever seen as Knicks fans.

Randle had a bad attitude all season long. He thought one good season was good to buy himself eternal respect. Forgetting he had the worse postseason ever by an all star player.

He rarely tried defensively, openly sulked most of the season and didn’t appear happy for his teammates as they found success.

This season needs to be about rebuilding him and finding a situation where we can get assets vs giving him away.

Rose will certainly help that as will starting quickly and pushing the tempo of the offense. But, his attitude likely won’t change.