franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Celtic line up for playoffs

6-9 225 tatum
6-9 260 williams
6-10 245 horford
6-7 225 brown
6-3 225 smart
6-7 205 white
6-8 245 G williams
6-1 190 pritchard

essentially 7 big dudes other than Pritchard(who still is close to 200

where did you get White's height? That is way off.

From basketball reference, he is 6'4".

The bigger issue, as they somehow have ruined watching basketball for me - is there a more arrogant fan base or franchise?

The bigger issue for me is how young they are - and where they were taken in the draft.

Their average years experience, with the very veteran Al Horford's 14- is 5!

Average draft position is 15 - but their top performers were basically all picked at 3 (3x) or 6.

Tatum- 4 years - 3rd pick - series average - 22.0 Points
Williams- 3 years - 27th pick
Horford - 14 years - 3rd pick- series average - 13 Points
Brown - 5 years - 3rd pick- series average - 22.7 Points
Smart - 7 years - 6th pick- series average - 14.7 Points
White - 4 years - 29th pick- series average - 13.3 Points
G Williams - 2 years - 22nd Pick
Pritchard - 1 year - 26th pick.

So if we want to replicate the model, we got a whole lot of work to do, and it starts with sucking better and not beating Washington down the stretch.

This is why I wanted to keep Mike Miller (sorry Fish!) because while we had talent, we just don't have enough to compete on the big stage and we really needed a couple more years of playing rookies like McBride rather than having a roster with Fournier and Alec Burks- and having another year or two of 20 wins or so just so we could land talent.

If the Celtics win, it's going to be incredibly depressing for any number of reasons.

First- I hate the franchise. But look how young they are? They have what, another 5 years of being really really good - and they are in our division!

So if we were smart and thinking long term, we'd trade RJ and anyone else with value and try to find talent in the top of the draft.

Don't get caught up in small sample sizes. Last year Milwaukee main players were drafted #15, 17, 39. And their ages were 26, 29, 30.

Every team has their own story.

And where are they? And who eliminated them.

I don't want to see or think this, but this Celtics team could be right there every year in the finals for the next five.

They are younger than the other eastern teams - Milwaukee, Miami and the Sixers.

So every team has their own story - what was Larry Brown's Detroit? One and Done! MJ's Bulls? Birds Celtics, Magic's/Kobe's Lakers? They were there every year - kinda like Golden State - and what happened to those dynasties when they got old? They were defeated by the new kid on the block.

And that new kid is the Tatum & Brown's Celtics.

And I think we will see them back next year, barring injury. Meaning, we have no chance. We're just fighting for scraps, but that is ok, it's what we all do in our day to day lives anywhy.

Excellent post— my exact sentiment y I started the thread — we’re gonna have to deal with most of this team for years. We better focus on bigger players. Not that I’d give up talent for size but if it’s close I’m going big

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Celtic line up for playoffs

6-9 225 tatum
6-9 260 williams
6-10 245 horford
6-7 225 brown
6-3 225 smart
6-7 205 white
6-8 245 G williams
6-1 190 pritchard

essentially 7 big dudes other than Pritchard(who still is close to 200

where did you get White's height? That is way off.

From basketball reference, he is 6'4".

The bigger issue, as they somehow have ruined watching basketball for me - is there a more arrogant fan base or franchise?

The bigger issue for me is how young they are - and where they were taken in the draft.

Their average years experience, with the very veteran Al Horford's 14- is 5!

Average draft position is 15 - but their top performers were basically all picked at 3 (3x) or 6.

Tatum- 4 years - 3rd pick - series average - 22.0 Points
Williams- 3 years - 27th pick
Horford - 14 years - 3rd pick- series average - 13 Points
Brown - 5 years - 3rd pick- series average - 22.7 Points
Smart - 7 years - 6th pick- series average - 14.7 Points
White - 4 years - 29th pick- series average - 13.3 Points
G Williams - 2 years - 22nd Pick
Pritchard - 1 year - 26th pick.

So if we want to replicate the model, we got a whole lot of work to do, and it starts with sucking better and not beating Washington down the stretch.

This is why I wanted to keep Mike Miller (sorry Fish!) because while we had talent, we just don't have enough to compete on the big stage and we really needed a couple more years of playing rookies like McBride rather than having a roster with Fournier and Alec Burks- and having another year or two of 20 wins or so just so we could land talent.

If the Celtics win, it's going to be incredibly depressing for any number of reasons.

First- I hate the franchise. But look how young they are? They have what, another 5 years of being really really good - and they are in our division!

So if we were smart and thinking long term, we'd trade RJ and anyone else with value and try to find talent in the top of the draft.

Don't get caught up in small sample sizes. Last year Milwaukee main players were drafted #15, 17, 39. And their ages were 26, 29, 30.

Every team has their own story.

And where are they? And who eliminated them.

I don't want to see or think this, but this Celtics team could be right there every year in the finals for the next five.

They are younger than the other eastern teams - Milwaukee, Miami and the Sixers.

So every team has their own story - what was Larry Brown's Detroit? One and Done! MJ's Bulls? Birds Celtics, Magic's/Kobe's Lakers? They were there every year - kinda like Golden State - and what happened to those dynasties when they got old? They were defeated by the new kid on the block.

And that new kid is the Tatum & Brown's Celtics.

And I think we will see them back next year, barring injury. Meaning, we have no chance. We're just fighting for scraps, but that is ok, it's what we all do in our day to day lives anywhy.

Excellent post— my exact sentiment y I started the thread — we’re gonna have to deal with most of this team for years. We better focus on bigger players. Not that I’d give up talent for size but if it’s close I’m going big

But Briggs - I don't know that these guys are big? Your measurements are +1 inch on where basketball reference is - except white who is 6'4" vs your 6'7".

What they are is clearly top talents, both physically, and skill wise.

Your a #3 in the draft because you have the measurables (height, weight, speed, agility) which make for successful NBA players and your skills as shown in college were top of the class.

Tatum - 6'8"
Brown - 6'6"
Smart - 6'3"

They are not 'big' per se. But certainly bigger and more skilled than anyone on our team.

And thinking about our roster, do we have many #3's on our roster? Just RJ, right?

Larry Browns detroit was not one and done, they went to two straight finals.
Didn’t we want a 5 who can stretch the floor? Last. Year Milwaukee won with Bropez there. Or we done with Bucks and that model?
Bucks gave Celts all they could handle. If MIddleton could play that series might have been different. But they were not.
INjuries matter.

I thought Boston was supposed to be all that like a few years ago. Now its like “oh, we are so screwed, we’ll never get past them, lets trade RJ for a new RJ and then whine about Thibs. When RJ is killing it in Utah with Jonnie we’ll say “No more canadians!1!!, they suck”……….

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Celtic line up for playoffs

6-9 225 tatum
6-9 260 williams
6-10 245 horford
6-7 225 brown
6-3 225 smart
6-7 205 white
6-8 245 G williams
6-1 190 pritchard

essentially 7 big dudes other than Pritchard(who still is close to 200

where did you get White's height? That is way off.

From basketball reference, he is 6'4".

The bigger issue, as they somehow have ruined watching basketball for me - is there a more arrogant fan base or franchise?

The bigger issue for me is how young they are - and where they were taken in the draft.

Their average years experience, with the very veteran Al Horford's 14- is 5!

Average draft position is 15 - but their top performers were basically all picked at 3 (3x) or 6.

Tatum- 4 years - 3rd pick - series average - 22.0 Points
Williams- 3 years - 27th pick
Horford - 14 years - 3rd pick- series average - 13 Points
Brown - 5 years - 3rd pick- series average - 22.7 Points
Smart - 7 years - 6th pick- series average - 14.7 Points
White - 4 years - 29th pick- series average - 13.3 Points
G Williams - 2 years - 22nd Pick
Pritchard - 1 year - 26th pick.

So if we want to replicate the model, we got a whole lot of work to do, and it starts with sucking better and not beating Washington down the stretch.

This is why I wanted to keep Mike Miller (sorry Fish!) because while we had talent, we just don't have enough to compete on the big stage and we really needed a couple more years of playing rookies like McBride rather than having a roster with Fournier and Alec Burks- and having another year or two of 20 wins or so just so we could land talent.

If the Celtics win, it's going to be incredibly depressing for any number of reasons.

First- I hate the franchise. But look how young they are? They have what, another 5 years of being really really good - and they are in our division!

So if we were smart and thinking long term, we'd trade RJ and anyone else with value and try to find talent in the top of the draft.

Don't get caught up in small sample sizes. Last year Milwaukee main players were drafted #15, 17, 39. And their ages were 26, 29, 30.

Every team has their own story.

And where are they? And who eliminated them.

I don't want to see or think this, but this Celtics team could be right there every year in the finals for the next five.

They are younger than the other eastern teams - Milwaukee, Miami and the Sixers.

So every team has their own story - what was Larry Brown's Detroit? One and Done! MJ's Bulls? Birds Celtics, Magic's/Kobe's Lakers? They were there every year - kinda like Golden State - and what happened to those dynasties when they got old? They were defeated by the new kid on the block.

And that new kid is the Tatum & Brown's Celtics.

And I think we will see them back next year, barring injury. Meaning, we have no chance. We're just fighting for scraps, but that is ok, it's what we all do in our day to day lives anywhy.

Well that is a depressing post… with that said the Knicks need their own story based on a consistent effort to get better and not settle. The difference between the Knicks from this year and last year is one word. Complacency

It use to be that the Knicks were stuck in a fantasy, now they forgot to aim to be better. Trade Fournier, trade Burks, trade Noel, unfortunately they might have to Jettison Kemba… and get guys who can add to this Knicks team “**** you” demeanor they had last years. Guys who play defense and want to put the opponent through the ringer.

Every opposing team’s star players should say “let’s use a rest day against the Knicks because they are going to beat us up”. As much as I am tired of Thibs BS this team is closer to being a team that would let him be the tormentor he wants to be than we fans realize.

Don’t make the mistakes of the D’antoni era. Give Thibs the guys he needs to succeed AND trade up for the guy you want if it is realistic.

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:We grab RJ who will be 22 and already we giving up on him after he avged 20 pts and trajectory better than Jimmy and Derozen.
Wasn’t last week DSW the darling? I suppose if we drafted steph we’d be GSW too?
Oh, two weeks ago it was fawning over miami and their model. This week Celtics take lead and we back there?
Oh, they lost Kyrie for nothing. And we losng our **** over potentially losing Mitch?

Larry Browns detroit was not one and done, they went to two straight finals.
Didn’t we want a 5 who can stretch the floor? Last. Year Milwaukee won with Bropez there. Or we done with Bucks and that model?
Bucks gave Celts all they could handle. If MIddleton could play that series might have been different. But they were not.
INjuries matter.

I thought Boston was supposed to be all that like a few years ago. Now its like “oh, we are so screwed, we’ll never get past them, lets trade RJ for a new RJ and then whine about Thibs. When RJ is killing it in Utah with Jonnie we’ll say “No more canadians!1!!, they suck”……….

I'm not[STRONGLY] advocating a trade of RJ - my point is, when does he get help? Because even if he is as good as one of the top boston players, where are we getting 2 more top 3 draft picks from?

My bad on LB's Pistons, but my point stays - they won 1 championship, and were done. Better sure than what we did with Ewing. And this is my point - if the best talent we're going to add are these role guys you get late in the first round, who is playing the main stage for us? RJ alone as Robin? Honestly, IQ might be our best talent. Could he play at the level of the Boston big 3/7? Latter, yes - but again I don't see him as top 3 player - hope I am wrong and I have to own up to that in 3-5 years.

ITs not all set in stone. I can’t tell you how things will unfold or if they will but I sure as **** won’t blow off Detroits Title, and loss in the finals as one and done. That was substantial! Maybe not to you, but somewhere that **** is real.

We are aggregating talent and not blowing it on starphuchs. That a big change. Seems we been at this awhile but change is not always improvement. But lets not regress and hope Jimmys Rangers give off a good roadmap on getting good. The honest effort to build from within and that eventually leads to a trade. I don’t know that IQ is our best talent, or RJ is a bonafide allstar, but these guys are players. Obi is fun and if not for us, we’ll get something good in return at somepoint. I don’t expect Jules to be a dick either. If so, then we’ll deal with it.

Boston got lucky with Tatum but the rest of it was just good long term planning. Some good, some not so. GSW build a core from picks below top 5…………

The three star thing is down to two with a better core of role players.
Fuck this depressing ****. Find some joy in the process and hope for the best. Im excited about our yoot, Jules redemption, the draft and the potential to wheel and deal with Rokas stashed, all our no 1 picks and lots of 2’s for next year yootfest draft.

When we watching hoop in June? I don’t know but if watchng the celts play bothers you, then turn it off and go outside! Draft, trades and FA’s are soon coming. July is fun!

Sheeeeeeeeeiiiiit! I think Nalod's profile has been hacked by an unironically optimistic Russian boy.

What could go wrong? LOL
Goes to show how hard this all is and chemistry over plug and play. Ainge did very little wrong on paper. In fact his heart condition might have had more to do with ownership wanting to move in a differrent direction after a really good long run.
This is a tough business!!!!!

THat game last night as intense! Im impressed GSW role players stayed on point under pressure. The defensive pressure by both teams was great. That was a high level played game by both teams.

Vmart wrote:Were the Celtics a great team or a good team that got a lot of breaks. Dysfunctional Nets team, Bucks team with Middleton injured. I honestly believe Celtics were better than Heat I always think of the Heats as an under talented overachieving team. The Celtics caught a lot of breaks to get to the finals, just like the Heat did in the Bubble. The Warriors a great teams basically they were injury free, dysfunction free and Celtics gave a nice try in the first three games but once the Warriors figured them out it was over. A simple adjustment of putting in Otto Porter in the lineup and the dynamics changed. Would a rigid coach like Thibs make a change like that? I highly doubt it.

I give credit to Udoka that guy is a great coach. Kerr is a great coach he has the talent but he gets a lot out of the talent.

Don't forget the 3 pointer by Max Strus that was overturned after review when he had his heal on the line. I can't remember the exact context but it was a gamechanger?

Nalod wrote:Otto Porter has had health issues his career. Not sure why we bring Thibs into the equation. What if Kerr brings in POrter and it don’t work?
Maybe Kerr “rigid” in a differeent way? Like how to best support three HOF players?
Question your asking is “Would thibs be more apt to lose a series than make adustments?”

Tell us where Thibs was so ridgid it cost us a series? Or playoffs?
The Atlanta series? He mosty had moved from Elf. got the team to the 4th seed which in reality was team played over its head. Thats a good thing. That Mitch was out? Norlens banged up? He about used up Drose which he had put in insteam of Elf. The Rooks were not ready last year.

What else? We gonna tie in Bulls or Minny years?

Kerr won with three HOF’s as his core and played based on logic.
Was Ime Udoka too rigid for not trying more things? Or did somethings not work? To the victor goes the spoils!

Knicks were not in playoffs. All I need to know.

Kerr has been very rigid in relying on HOF type players in Steph, Klay, Dray. Why does he always need a 4th all star too? Very rigid lol