franco12 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

You got me. Brunson sucks. Now wait until his next 20+ point game so I can create another thread about how great he is. No one is saying Brunson or bust. He is good player and if the Knicks can add him w/o killing their pool of assets, then they should do it. Nothing wrong with letting things play out.

really? There's 10 threads that fix our PG problems... they all say "we need Brunson"

UK mentions over the last month:
Brunson 325
Tyus Jones and others combined: 12

You dont just let this play out. I appreciate your cavalier attitude but the number of times Knick fans say "get Brunson" is just too damn much! Its pure madness and I'll not have it

Brunson dominated round 1, led the entire nba in scoring during that series and remained efficient as well. Outplayed Mitchell all series. Had 2 poor games against CP and recovered nicely yesterday. He was honestly playing his way into a max contrsct because players who dominate in a playoff series typically earn that. He’s not the end all be all, but if it’s got to the point where you are being critical of him when he doesn’t score 30 a game, what’s that saying about the expectations he now receives ? I personally hope he struggles this round because he’s become nearly unattainable as it is.

And by recovered, you mean led his team in scoring and was top for the game from both teams.

The one thing I think I’ve observed about the sons of some of the NBA players I’ve grown up watching is they are not intimated by the big stage. Is that fair to say?

Shouldn't we create another thread on how great Brunson is As for sons of former NBA players performing on the big stage, might be some truth to it. THJ, as inconsistent as he is, is a gamer. The Currys, Barrys ...even Austin Rivers don't seem to be afraid of the moment even though most of them should be.

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

You got me. Brunson sucks. Now wait until his next 20+ point game so I can create another thread about how great he is. No one is saying Brunson or bust. He is good player and if the Knicks can add him w/o killing their pool of assets, then they should do it. Nothing wrong with letting things play out.

really? There's 10 threads that fix our PG problems... they all say "we need Brunson"

UK mentions over the last month:
Brunson 325
Tyus Jones and others combined: 12

You dont just let this play out. I appreciate your cavalier attitude but the number of times Knick fans say "get Brunson" is just too damn much! Its pure madness and I'll not have it

Brunson dominated round 1, led the entire nba in scoring during that series and remained efficient as well. Outplayed Mitchell all series. Had 2 poor games against CP and recovered nicely yesterday. He was honestly playing his way into a max contrsct because players who dominate in a playoff series typically earn that. He’s not the end all be all, but if it’s got to the point where you are being critical of him when he doesn’t score 30 a game, what’s that saying about the expectations he now receives ? I personally hope he struggles this round because he’s become nearly unattainable as it is.

And by recovered, you mean led his team in scoring and was top for the game from both teams.

The one thing I think I’ve observed about the sons of some of the NBA players I’ve grown up watching is they are not intimated by the big stage. Is that fair to say?

Its a good one. They grow up with the expectation of being there. Some make it, and others don’t.
RJ’s dad got far enough and his uncle Stevie no doubt helped enough to give the perspective and more important the watermarks to outline and accomplish. That tells ones self “i belong here”. Brunson exceeded his pops. ALso, he played on the bigget stage in college and winning a chip. He was not fazed by the bright lights by then. RJ has proven to also do the work and adapt quickly to each stage of development. Uncle Stevie got the cred and if he says “You ready”, thats a nice endorsement. Playing at Duke also did not hurt.

Some of these kids don’t eclipse the father but they also understand this early also. Its such an small elite group that makes it to the NBA that playiing at that level is quite an accomplishment. Kmart, Gary Payton, and John Lucas sons all did or doing well but not to the level of the father.

Brunson and RJ exceed. Add Obi in that also.

Next up? Bronny and look out for Kiyan Anthony, Melo’s son who is I believe is 6-3 and ready for high school next year and has his dad’s stroke! New purpose for Jrod in the future! Defending Melo and his spawn!1!

God help the board if we draft the spawn of "the hat"!

Wow Nalod, tell me again who's renting space in who's head?

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My post above mention need Brogdon for our 11 the pick and contracts. I don't support that plan just see it happening. Indiana has a older and often injured ph with a big contract in Brogdon and see that as a problem for them. We should offer them expiring contracts, and several second picks. We are doing them a favor. If Brogdon has the value to get back a lottery pick then we should fans no less for Randall.

I don't think a first rounder is needed for Brogdan. That pick they used for Cam probably should have been enough.

Matching expiring contracts plus a second probably gets it done for Brogdon. I prefer Dinwiddie tho

Meant to say lottery pick in that response, but yeah, I think a protected pick that eventually conveys to a second rounder might do it.

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

Love to have Brunson Or Van Fleet ? here in NYC,
However Mavericks analyst folks cites keeping Brunson a Dallas Maverick is high priority.

SO where do the Knicks go? from there

DJMUSIC wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

Love to have Brunson Or Van Fleet ? here in NYC,
However Mavericks analyst folks cites keeping Brunson a Dallas Maverick is high priority.

SO where do the Knicks go? from there

I think a move for CAA client Brogdon would be a good backup choice. Sexton is a possibility too.

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

You got me. Brunson sucks. Now wait until his next 20+ point game so I can create another thread about how great he is. No one is saying Brunson or bust. He is good player and if the Knicks can add him w/o killing their pool of assets, then they should do it. Nothing wrong with letting things play out.

really? There's 10 threads that fix our PG problems... they all say "we need Brunson"

UK mentions over the last month:
Brunson 325
Tyus Jones and others combined: 12

You dont just let this play out. I appreciate your cavalier attitude but the number of times Knick fans say "get Brunson" is just too damn much! Its pure madness and I'll not have it

Brunson dominated round 1, led the entire nba in scoring during that series and remained efficient as well. Outplayed Mitchell all series. Had 2 poor games against CP and recovered nicely yesterday. He was honestly playing his way into a max contrsct because players who dominate in a playoff series typically earn that. He’s not the end all be all, but if it’s got to the point where you are being critical of him when he doesn’t score 30 a game, what’s that saying about the expectations he now receives ? I personally hope he struggles this round because he’s become nearly unattainable as it is.

And by recovered, you mean led his team in scoring and was top for the game from both teams.

The one thing I think I’ve observed about the sons of some of the NBA players I’ve grown up watching is they are not intimated by the big stage. Is that fair to say?

Its a good one. They grow up with the expectation of being there. Some make it, and others don’t.
RJ’s dad got far enough and his uncle Stevie no doubt helped enough to give the perspective and more important the watermarks to outline and accomplish. That tells ones self “i belong here”. Brunson exceeded his pops. ALso, he played on the bigget stage in college and winning a chip. He was not fazed by the bright lights by then. RJ has proven to also do the work and adapt quickly to each stage of development. Uncle Stevie got the cred and if he says “You ready”, thats a nice endorsement. Playing at Duke also did not hurt.

Some of these kids don’t eclipse the father but they also understand this early also. Its such an small elite group that makes it to the NBA that playiing at that level is quite an accomplishment. Kmart, Gary Payton, and John Lucas sons all did or doing well but not to the level of the father.

Brunson and RJ exceed. Add Obi in that also.

Next up? Bronny and look out for Kiyan Anthony, Melo’s son who is I believe is 6-3 and ready for high school next year and has his dad’s stroke! New purpose for Jrod in the future! Defending Melo and his spawn!1!

God help the board if we draft the spawn of "the hat"!

Wow Nalod, tell me again who's renting space in who's head?

Squatters rights??

BigDaddyG wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

Love to have Brunson Or Van Fleet ? here in NYC,
However Mavericks analyst folks cites keeping Brunson a Dallas Maverick is high priority.

SO where do the Knicks go? from there

Maybe bring in a high quality backup like Tyus Jones and hand over the spot to IQ. Honestly, I don't see any clear moves. The Knicks may be looking at another gap season.

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Jalen Brunson | 2018 draft: No. 33 (Dallas Mavericks)
Everything about Brunson's résumé leading up to the 2018 draft screamed stardom. He was a five-star recruit after leading the Nike EYBL in assists and winning the MVP of the FIBA U19 World Cup (over Jayson Tatum), one of two gold medals he won with USA Basketball. He won two national championships at Villanova and was named the NCAA's National Player of the Year and Big East Player of the Year. He was an ultra-efficient scorer (60% 2P%, 41% 3P%) who played strong defense and almost never turned the ball over. But we didn't believe it, and neither did NBA teams judging by the fact that Brunson fell to the second round.

Brunson's arms weren't very long. He was only 6-foot-1. He had a pudgy frame. He was too slow. He didn't have a very explosive first step. He didn't show much wiggle with the ball. He played a bully-ball-style power game that wasn't all that aesthetically pleasing to watch. He had only seven dunks and made seven floaters in 116 college games. Analytics models hated the fact that he posted only one block in his entire college career, and very few rebounds and steals.
Would he be able to stay in front of NBA point guards with a 6-3 wingspan, a bad body and lack of lateral quickness? So much of his offense came in the post -- could he get by anyone in the NBA? Were his assist numbers mostly a product of Villanova's system? How would any of it translate, and if it didn't, how much would he actually improve considering he'd turn 22 two months after the draft?

It all turned out to be utter nonsense, which became apparent very quickly in the NBA, where Brunson became a starter and major contributor as a rookie, despite being "already" 22. Brunson continued to improve in each of his four seasons in the NBA thus far, and is currently in the midst of a stellar playoffs. He kept the Mavs afloat with Luka Doncic out because of injury in the first round, scoring 41 points in one game against Utah, and has played a huge role in Dallas tying the conference semifinal series with Phoenix at 2-2.

Brunson has improved his body to become one of the most efficient pick-and-roll guards in the league, his floater is elite, and he's one of the best off-the-dribble shooters in the NBA. His ability to play on or off the ball alongside Doncic is a huge key to the Mavs' success. While he's still not the most explosive guard around -- his four total dunks this season rank 350th in the NBA, per Synergy -- he gets where he wants on the floor thanks to his handle, pace and strength, finishes extremely well around the basket, and more than holds his own defensively, especially off the ball.
The lesson we should learn from Brunson's misevaluation as a draft prospect? Don't dismiss ultraproductive, ultraconfident winners like him so easily, especially those who are deadeye off-the-dribble shooters like he was in college. -- Givony

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:My post above mention need Brogdon for our 11 the pick and contracts. I don't support that plan just see it happening. Indiana has a older and often injured ph with a big contract in Brogdon and see that as a problem for them. We should offer them expiring contracts, and several second picks. We are doing them a favor. If Brogdon has the value to get back a lottery pick then we should fans no less for Randall.

I don't think a first rounder is needed for Brogdan. That pick they used for Cam probably should have been enough.

Matching expiring contracts plus a second probably gets it done for Brogdon. I prefer Dinwiddie tho

Dinwiddie is just so inefficient and not a good creator for others. Brogdon would be a very strong backup option to Brunson. If we don’t land Brunson or Brogdon I’d rather just stick with IQ and Rose at PG.

Dinwiddie is not a good 3 point shooter that is definitely true but he’s a good scorer otherwise and I am going to have to disagree with you on his ability to run an offense. He was the starting pg on a nets team that made the playoffs that didn’t have alot if talent around him(was before the KD and Kyrie signings)

Kemba and Noel work salary wise almost perfectly for Dinwiddie. I'd offer them their pick back next year - which honestly may not convey and I would ask for their first rounder this year and maybe offer them a second rounder from this year if we have it. They can resign Brunson who is younger than Dinwiddie and probably less of an injury worry.

Our back court is then IQ, McBride, Rose & Dinwiddie. That is an absolute upgrade and I think get's us into the play off mix. Deal helps both teams I think tremendously. Makes too much sense.

Dinwiddie shot .404 from 3 with the Mavs- sure, small sample size and playing off Luka- but he can clearly improve on his career numbers.

Dinwiddie is not an upgrade and he is inefficient as a shooter, you just can't have that on the Knicks with RJ and Randle. He is a poor fit.

And his misses a ton of game. He is also 29.

are you saying he isn't an upgrade over Kemba Walker & Nerlens Noel?

He is 29 and he misses a ton of games.

I'm just looking for a stop gap veteran PG that can backstop a PG rotation of IQ, Rose, Mcrbide. It's in my made up scenario, not costing anything- let's face it, Kemba looked done and Noel didn't contribute a whole lot.

And if we can swap picks - meaning their future (2023) for this year's first from them, I am able to convey an asset to today.

Why are you assuming straight comparison of Kemba/Noel to Dinwiddie? That doesn't make sense.

Where are you putting Dinwiddie in a rotation of IQ/Rose/McBride? It literally just doesn't make sense when you also have Grimes, RJ, Fournier.

Dimwiddie is not an upgrade while you are also trying to get playing time for guys like IQ, Grimes, McBride and the like.