Swishfm3 wrote:Love that all the "Sign Robinson at all cost" supporters completely ignored his 2 rebound, -7 effort against a team with journey man M. Brown and without Mobley and Allen.

Hard pass on Mitch Robinson. Good player but I believe Sims and Noel can do everything he can...including miss FT. No way should the Knicks lock +15mil on this guy.

.....also don't trust that he will remain healthy after signing a long term lucrative deal.

Noel is always injured and Sims is a decent backup C

Letting Mitch walk this summer is the next great Knick debacle. Meanwhile we are stuck with Randle and his 4 year $100+ million extension

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Love that all the "Sign Robinson at all cost" supporters completely ignored his 2 rebound, -7 effort against a team with journey man M. Brown and without Mobley and Allen.

Hard pass on Mitch Robinson. Good player but I believe Sims and Noel can do everything he can...including miss FT. No way should the Knicks lock +15mil on this guy.

.....also don't trust that he will remain healthy after signing a long term lucrative deal.

There is a larger group that also loves the "look at the one game sample size I'm making to express a pretty lame point" supporters out there too. Brown also just had a 12 rebound night in 20 minutes against Embiib. Dude is long and can rebound.

So what now?

Lame point?

We have been touting his rebounding for the past month and he only manages 2 against this guy? With no Mobley or Allen this was literally Robinson's time to shine and instead he throws up a dud.

But you're right. Still a small sample size. Everyone has a bad game and it's not like he has never played like this before...Lets give him his 18/5 contract (I thought read that he was looking for Allen type money). I'm sure it will all work out.

Here are the Centers that are definitely better. It's less than half the league. What's your replacement and plan moving forward for the C spot?

And as long as we are on 1 game sample sizes, Mitch did either out play or go even with Ayton in their last matchup. 17 points and 15 rebounds.

It's all about this work ethic and potential. What do you think of him?

Here are the other C's

1st tier Jokic, Embiid, KAT, Gobert, Bam, Ayton.
2nd tier: Allen, Mobley, Capela, Vucevic, Myles Turner, Adams, Valancunias, Robert Williams.

Jericho Sims

I'm hitting the reset button on the center position.
Per your list, more than half the NBA are operating with a less than adequate big man in the middle, so I would be ok with Sims and another "seasoned" vet or big PF to play the position in the meantime. I wouldn't handcuff myself, financially, on a player that doesn't move the needle on the positive side....and once that jumping ability goes away, he will pretty much be useless (See D. Jordan).

If he accepts a contract similar to Noel, than that would be cool but I don't see that happening

Sims ceiling is Taj. He’s not the rim protector Mitch is not even close. And I like Sims

Philc1 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Love that all the "Sign Robinson at all cost" supporters completely ignored his 2 rebound, -7 effort against a team with journey man M. Brown and without Mobley and Allen.

Hard pass on Mitch Robinson. Good player but I believe Sims and Noel can do everything he can...including miss FT. No way should the Knicks lock +15mil on this guy.

.....also don't trust that he will remain healthy after signing a long term lucrative deal.

There is a larger group that also loves the "look at the one game sample size I'm making to express a pretty lame point" supporters out there too. Brown also just had a 12 rebound night in 20 minutes against Embiib. Dude is long and can rebound.

So what now?

Lame point?

We have been touting his rebounding for the past month and he only manages 2 against this guy? With no Mobley or Allen this was literally Robinson's time to shine and instead he throws up a dud.

But you're right. Still a small sample size. Everyone has a bad game and it's not like he has never played like this before...Lets give him his 18/5 contract (I thought read that he was looking for Allen type money). I'm sure it will all work out.

Here are the Centers that are definitely better. It's less than half the league. What's your replacement and plan moving forward for the C spot?

And as long as we are on 1 game sample sizes, Mitch did either out play or go even with Ayton in their last matchup. 17 points and 15 rebounds.

It's all about this work ethic and potential. What do you think of him?

Here are the other C's

1st tier Jokic, Embiid, KAT, Gobert, Bam, Ayton.
2nd tier: Allen, Mobley, Capela, Vucevic, Myles Turner, Adams, Valancunias, Robert Williams.

Jericho Sims

I'm hitting the reset button on the center position.
Per your list, more than half the NBA are operating with a less than adequate big man in the middle, so I would be ok with Sims and another "seasoned" vet or big PF to play the position in the meantime. I wouldn't handcuff myself, financially, on a player that doesn't move the needle on the positive side....and once that jumping ability goes away, he will pretty much be useless (See D. Jordan).

If he accepts a contract similar to Noel, than that would be cool but I don't see that happening

Sims ceiling is Taj. He’s not the rim protector Mitch is not even close. And I like Sims

Taj? Taj has some range. Have you seen tape of Sims shooting? Its ugly. Kid has bounce. Prospects are likely back up. Taj was primarily a PF his career

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Love that all the "Sign Robinson at all cost" supporters completely ignored his 2 rebound, -7 effort against a team with journey man M. Brown and without Mobley and Allen.

Hard pass on Mitch Robinson. Good player but I believe Sims and Noel can do everything he can...including miss FT. No way should the Knicks lock +15mil on this guy.

.....also don't trust that he will remain healthy after signing a long term lucrative deal.

There is a larger group that also loves the "look at the one game sample size I'm making to express a pretty lame point" supporters out there too. Brown also just had a 12 rebound night in 20 minutes against Embiib. Dude is long and can rebound.

So what now?

Lame point?

We have been touting his rebounding for the past month and he only manages 2 against this guy? With no Mobley or Allen this was literally Robinson's time to shine and instead he throws up a dud.

But you're right. Still a small sample size. Everyone has a bad game and it's not like he has never played like this before...Lets give him his 18/5 contract (I thought read that he was looking for Allen type money). I'm sure it will all work out.

Here are the Centers that are definitely better. It's less than half the league. What's your replacement and plan moving forward for the C spot?

And as long as we are on 1 game sample sizes, Mitch did either out play or go even with Ayton in their last matchup. 17 points and 15 rebounds.

It's all about this work ethic and potential. What do you think of him?

Here are the other C's

1st tier Jokic, Embiid, KAT, Gobert, Bam, Ayton.
2nd tier: Allen, Mobley, Capela, Vucevic, Myles Turner, Adams, Valancunias, Robert Williams.

Jericho Sims

I'm hitting the reset button on the center position.
Per your list, more than half the NBA are operating with a less than adequate big man in the middle, so I would be ok with Sims and another "seasoned" vet or big PF to play the position in the meantime. I wouldn't handcuff myself, financially, on a player that doesn't move the needle on the positive side....and once that jumping ability goes away, he will pretty much be useless (See D. Jordan).

If he accepts a contract similar to Noel, than that would be cool but I don't see that happening

Sims ceiling is Taj. He’s not the rim protector Mitch is not even close. And I like Sims

Taj? Taj has some range. Have you seen tape of Sims shooting? Its ugly. Kid has bounce. Prospects are likely back up. Taj was primarily a PF his career

I think Jarrett Allen is the most similar comp I see with some development. Sims is nothing like Taj. Taj is a fundamentals player. Sims is a athletic player. Guys like Taj can stay with a team until they are 45 (read Udonis Haslem) because they maintain good fundamentals that the youths can absorb. Guys who are only athletic are gone the moment they lose a step. Unless they shift to fundamentals.

Good analogy and likey the templete for Mitch and his agent. Im not an expert on Allen but he has improved to this year avg almost 11 rebs adn 16pts per game. This is far from Mitch at this point. Not to say he can’t get there but thats not where he is and that what gets you paid.

Im just not buying the notion knicks are negligent here on how handled things given the timeline of events, stats, and injury. It may be unfortunate if he walks for not value in return.

Imgaine the fan outcry after last season if we let Randle walk (hypothetically)prior to this season.
Hindsight easy and its why I rally to “respect the timeline”. This **** is not easy when looking forward.

gradyandrew wrote:I think Allen and Robert Swift are pretty close in terms of value to Mitchell. I think if I'm am outside team with cap space I offer Afton a 4 year 100 million deal and 5/100 for Robinson.

Ayton is most certainly getting more than $20M per (and deservingly so).

He is my "Team Mitch" hall pass.

Philc1 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Love that all the "Sign Robinson at all cost" supporters completely ignored his 2 rebound, -7 effort against a team with journey man M. Brown and without Mobley and Allen.

Hard pass on Mitch Robinson. Good player but I believe Sims and Noel can do everything he can...including miss FT. No way should the Knicks lock +15mil on this guy.

.....also don't trust that he will remain healthy after signing a long term lucrative deal.

There is a larger group that also loves the "look at the one game sample size I'm making to express a pretty lame point" supporters out there too. Brown also just had a 12 rebound night in 20 minutes against Embiib. Dude is long and can rebound.

So what now?

Lame point?

We have been touting his rebounding for the past month and he only manages 2 against this guy? With no Mobley or Allen this was literally Robinson's time to shine and instead he throws up a dud.

But you're right. Still a small sample size. Everyone has a bad game and it's not like he has never played like this before...Lets give him his 18/5 contract (I thought read that he was looking for Allen type money). I'm sure it will all work out.

Here are the Centers that are definitely better. It's less than half the league. What's your replacement and plan moving forward for the C spot?

And as long as we are on 1 game sample sizes, Mitch did either out play or go even with Ayton in their last matchup. 17 points and 15 rebounds.

It's all about this work ethic and potential. What do you think of him?

Here are the other C's

1st tier Jokic, Embiid, KAT, Gobert, Bam, Ayton.
2nd tier: Allen, Mobley, Capela, Vucevic, Myles Turner, Adams, Valancunias, Robert Williams.

Jericho Sims

I'm hitting the reset button on the center position.
Per your list, more than half the NBA are operating with a less than adequate big man in the middle, so I would be ok with Sims and another "seasoned" vet or big PF to play the position in the meantime. I wouldn't handcuff myself, financially, on a player that doesn't move the needle on the positive side....and once that jumping ability goes away, he will pretty much be useless (See D. Jordan).

If he accepts a contract similar to Noel, than that would be cool but I don't see that happening

Sims ceiling is Taj. He’s not the rim protector Mitch is not even close. And I like Sims

Is that supposed to be a bad thing, lol....if anything that's even more of a reason to replace him with Robinson now.

EwingsGlass wrote:
I think Jarrett Allen is the most similar comp I see with some development. Sims is nothing like Taj. Taj is a fundamentals player. Sims is a athletic player. Guys like Taj can stay with a team until they are 45 (read Udonis Haslem) because they maintain good fundamentals that the youths can absorb. Guys who are only athletic are gone the moment they lose a step. Unless they shift to fundamentals.

Like DeAndre Jordan...who I believe M. Robinson compares to the most.

ramtour420 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Love that all the "Sign Robinson at all cost" supporters completely ignored his 2 rebound, -7 effort against a team with journey man M. Brown and without Mobley and Allen.

Hard pass on Mitch Robinson. Good player but I believe Sims and Noel can do everything he can...including miss FT. No way should the Knicks lock +15mil on this guy.

.....also don't trust that he will remain healthy after signing a long term lucrative deal.

There is a larger group that also loves the "look at the one game sample size I'm making to express a pretty lame point" supporters out there too. Brown also just had a 12 rebound night in 20 minutes against Embiib. Dude is long and can rebound.

So what now?

Lame point?

We have been touting his rebounding for the past month and he only manages 2 against this guy? With no Mobley or Allen this was literally Robinson's time to shine and instead he throws up a dud.

But you're right. Still a small sample size. Everyone has a bad game and it's not like he has never played like this before...Lets give him his 18/5 contract (I thought read that he was looking for Allen type money). I'm sure it will all work out.

Bro there is no WAY you are using a game against a g league team where nobody is trying as justification. Like these games count for literally nothing.

Yet, we are glorifying Obi Topping numbers in these meaningless where no one is trying.

and FYI, that G league team you are referring to is in the playoffs fighting for a 6th spot.

Funny thing about all this is that Sims looks a lot like Robinson two years ago.....only more polished.

He is pretty much an ideal replacement. And he sets better screens

Have to wonder if we really would miss Mitch. Sims, Gibson and a healthier Noel seems to be the committee approach that works fine at center. With Gibson hitting threes from the corner it helps too.

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Love that all the "Sign Robinson at all cost" supporters completely ignored his 2 rebound, -7 effort against a team with journey man M. Brown and without Mobley and Allen.

Hard pass on Mitch Robinson. Good player but I believe Sims and Noel can do everything he can...including miss FT. No way should the Knicks lock +15mil on this guy.

.....also don't trust that he will remain healthy after signing a long term lucrative deal.

There is a larger group that also loves the "look at the one game sample size I'm making to express a pretty lame point" supporters out there too. Brown also just had a 12 rebound night in 20 minutes against Embiib. Dude is long and can rebound.

So what now?

Lame point?

We have been touting his rebounding for the past month and he only manages 2 against this guy? With no Mobley or Allen this was literally Robinson's time to shine and instead he throws up a dud.

But you're right. Still a small sample size. Everyone has a bad game and it's not like he has never played like this before...Lets give him his 18/5 contract (I thought read that he was looking for Allen type money). I'm sure it will all work out.

Bro there is no WAY you are using a game against a g league team where nobody is trying as justification. Like these games count for literally nothing.

Yet, we are glorifying Obi Topping numbers in these meaningless where no one is trying.

and FYI, that G league team you are referring to is in the playoffs fighting for a 6th spot.

Funny thing about all this is that Sims looks a lot like Robinson two years ago.....only more polished.

Who is we? and i thjought we were talking about the magic.

Robinson was a way way better rim protector. its not even close.

I agree. That said, Sims closes out to the perimeter like a champ. His moves to double team show foot speed that Mitch doesn’t have. I was really impressed with Sims rotations tonight despite the loss. Needs to hit a FT, but he is a good young player with great athleticism.

gradyandrew wrote:Don't forget that Sims is actually 6 months older than Robinson.

TPercy wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Don't forget that Sims is actually 6 months older than Robinson.

@Swishfm

Don't understand what this has to do with anything but you're a clown.

Check your stats again @Tpercy

Nalod wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I think Allen and Robert Swift are pretty close in terms of value to Mitchell. I think if I'm am outside team with cap space I offer Afton a 4 year 100 million deal and 5/100 for Robinson.

5 year is team with bird rights. Id suggest you look at Mitches stats vs. Allen.
Do you pay that kind of money for a player who has yet to reach that level?

Allen did get better then year. The question then becomes was that premeditated (expected) or was he outperforming this season? If so, then mitch is a 20mm per player.

I wonder what PHX thinks of Ayton and what it would take to do a sign and trade if they are so inclined?

Can you save the suspense next time and just tell me? lol

Between Robert and Allen would be something like 15 million a year. I think Drummond is also a FA this year. I think Drummond is pretty good- he can dribble. If a young team is looking to turn the franchise around, Ayton is the better play and if a vet team needs help, I think Drummond is a more consistent player.

For the Knicks a lot of it comes down to Noel's health. If Noel can play next season, the Knicks can get by with him and Sims, at least at the beginning of the season. For the Knicks the only downside is if it becomes untradeable. The big question for me is if Robinson can become a better FT shooter. Rookie year he shot 60% but has dropped every year since. Maybe the Knicks can put some FT incentives in his offer.