Panos wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ideal return is is getting 2/3rds of last years Randle. Can't ascertain his value if we don't know what is bugging him?
Can't keep losing players like KP and Randle due to non on court issues. (I know, Phuch Janis and the mechanical bull he rode in on!)
Maybe its him? Is it the organization? Thibs renting too much space in his head? He got a beef RJ is not the teachers pet?

Did we put him on the trade block prior to the trade deadline? Did a deal break up at the last minute? Is the deal to resurrect off season and his head is messed up by it?
Should we be concerned players don't want to come here or stay?
In time we'll find out.

Two-thirds of last years’ Randle is not good enough unless RJ really really explodes. That would be fine and it can happen. The problem is that makes Randle second fiddle and he does not seem fine playing that role. If you don’t believe that then you can document his on-court behavior dating back to December. It’s not just the fans that seem to be bothering him. Otherwise, why would he do stuff such as sitting so far away from the team during time-outs on multiple occasions?

Getting those Portland picks for Randle is pretty ideal. I personally would start talking to NOLA about Zion. He’s going to cost a crap ton though so for now, that’s obviously not too realistic. Still worth taking a poke.

Anyone else notice grumpy-Randle coincided with his child being born? Maybe he's got it rough at home. Who knows? And can't underestimate the effect that could have.

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:I dont see Indy having any interest although Carlisle might like him (or hate him)

I think the trade that makes the most sense for both teams was mentioned before... something like Randle and #13 for Bledsoe and #7 and #9. Portland gets great value while Knicks move up and get an additional lottery pick.

What do you do with Bledsoe? Put him out to pasture?

Edit: I just realized he is 32. Feels like he's older than that...

Maybe I'm not the only one constantly confusing him and Eric Gordon?

Edit: F*** it, Gordon's only 33...I got nothing.

fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ideal return is is getting 2/3rds of last years Randle. Can't ascertain his value if we don't know what is bugging him?
Can't keep losing players like KP and Randle due to non on court issues. (I know, Phuch Janis and the mechanical bull he rode in on!)
Maybe its him? Is it the organization? Thibs renting too much space in his head? He got a beef RJ is not the teachers pet?

Did we put him on the trade block prior to the trade deadline? Did a deal break up at the last minute? Is the deal to resurrect off season and his head is messed up by it?
Should we be concerned players don't want to come here or stay?
In time we'll find out.

Two-thirds of last years’ Randle is not good enough unless RJ really really explodes. That would be fine and it can happen. The problem is that makes Randle second fiddle and he does not seem fine playing that role. If you don’t believe that then you can document his on-court behavior dating back to December. It’s not just the fans that seem to be bothering him. Otherwise, why would he do stuff such as sitting so far away from the team during time-outs on multiple occasions?

Getting those Portland picks for Randle is pretty ideal. I personally would start talking to NOLA about Zion. He’s going to cost a crap ton though so for now, that’s obviously not too realistic. Still worth taking a poke.

Anyone else notice grumpy-Randle coincided with his child being born? Maybe he's got it rough at home. Who knows? And can't underestimate the effect that could have.

I dont see the team being torn apart by the this... they are playing really hard despite his struggles. Coach is sticking with him (mostly). I was thinking there might be something human happening that is really tough on him and impacting his performance. Now it could be something like that AND he's an ******* egomaniac who thinks he's Kobe part II and is pissed that RJ may quickly pass him as the team/franchise leader/face. Just cause you have cancer doesnt mean you cant also get AIDs.

Has Mrs Randle been at games lately?
Did his new baby come out with Red hair, blue eyes and Freckles? No Julius in that kid?
Did he tap some young thing on the road and he is staying at the hotel for now after getting caught?
We can do this all day. These guys are human. Maybe his mother has taken ill he upset?
Or there is truth to all these grumblings and he wants out.

MaTT4281 wrote:I'm still convinced the rumor that Julius has asked out is BS...but it may become a self fulfilling prophecy.

The way fans/media are going to run with this. Will be surprised if he doesn't get booed tonight.

Thibs shut it down pretty well in pregame. He was pretty adamant.

gradyandrew wrote:I think the issue Randle has is just how quickly the fans in New York turn on guys. Other places fans are disinterested but New York fans will jeer the home team. I get why players sour on it.

Julius's assists per game over the past 3 seasons are: 3/6/5~ he's still moving the ball.
In some ways Julius has been more of a leader than Melo was. He might be the biggest leader since Marbury.

Trading Randle would be disastrous for the team's culture and record. If the Knicks can lock up Mitchell, most of the roster is set outside of PG. What can the Knicks expect from Kemba, Rose, And Noel?

If we trade Randle it means we will rebuild so should trade Randle and Fournier to LAL for Westbrook.

Have you played team ball or been part of an organization where leadership is actually a thing?

You are a stat guy and you will need to read and watch beyond raw numbers to get a better understanding of basketball and team performance.

The bold leads me to believe there is a ton of growth and data to human interpretation that needs a ton more experience.

Panos wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ideal return is is getting 2/3rds of last years Randle. Can't ascertain his value if we don't know what is bugging him?
Can't keep losing players like KP and Randle due to non on court issues. (I know, Phuch Janis and the mechanical bull he rode in on!)
Maybe its him? Is it the organization? Thibs renting too much space in his head? He got a beef RJ is not the teachers pet?

Did we put him on the trade block prior to the trade deadline? Did a deal break up at the last minute? Is the deal to resurrect off season and his head is messed up by it?
Should we be concerned players don't want to come here or stay?
In time we'll find out.

Two-thirds of last years’ Randle is not good enough unless RJ really really explodes. That would be fine and it can happen. The problem is that makes Randle second fiddle and he does not seem fine playing that role. If you don’t believe that then you can document his on-court behavior dating back to December. It’s not just the fans that seem to be bothering him. Otherwise, why would he do stuff such as sitting so far away from the team during time-outs on multiple occasions?

Getting those Portland picks for Randle is pretty ideal. I personally would start talking to NOLA about Zion. He’s going to cost a crap ton though so for now, that’s obviously not too realistic. Still worth taking a poke.

Anyone else notice grumpy-Randle coincided with his child being born? Maybe he's got it rough at home. Who knows? And can't underestimate the effect that could have.

Caseloads wrote:

Panos wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ideal return is is getting 2/3rds of last years Randle. Can't ascertain his value if we don't know what is bugging him?
Can't keep losing players like KP and Randle due to non on court issues. (I know, Phuch Janis and the mechanical bull he rode in on!)
Maybe its him? Is it the organization? Thibs renting too much space in his head? He got a beef RJ is not the teachers pet?

Did we put him on the trade block prior to the trade deadline? Did a deal break up at the last minute? Is the deal to resurrect off season and his head is messed up by it?
Should we be concerned players don't want to come here or stay?
In time we'll find out.

Two-thirds of last years’ Randle is not good enough unless RJ really really explodes. That would be fine and it can happen. The problem is that makes Randle second fiddle and he does not seem fine playing that role. If you don’t believe that then you can document his on-court behavior dating back to December. It’s not just the fans that seem to be bothering him. Otherwise, why would he do stuff such as sitting so far away from the team during time-outs on multiple occasions?

Getting those Portland picks for Randle is pretty ideal. I personally would start talking to NOLA about Zion. He’s going to cost a crap ton though so for now, that’s obviously not too realistic. Still worth taking a poke.

Anyone else notice grumpy-Randle coincided with his child being born? Maybe he's got it rough at home. Who knows? And can't underestimate the effect that could have.

I noticed!!

Randle been grumpy since high school

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I think the issue Randle has is just how quickly the fans in New York turn on guys. Other places fans are disinterested but New York fans will jeer the home team. I get why players sour on it.

Julius's assists per game over the past 3 seasons are: 3/6/5~ he's still moving the ball.
In some ways Julius has been more of a leader than Melo was. He might be the biggest leader since Marbury.

Trading Randle would be disastrous for the team's culture and record. If the Knicks can lock up Mitchell, most of the roster is set outside of PG. What can the Knicks expect from Kemba, Rose, And Noel?

If we trade Randle it means we will rebuild so should trade Randle and Fournier to LAL for Westbrook.

Have you played team ball or been part of an organization where leadership is actually a thing?

You are a stat guy and you will need to read and watch beyond raw numbers to get a better understanding of basketball and team performance.

The bold leads me to believe there is a ton of growth and data to human interpretation that needs a ton more experience.

Randle has a terrible poker face on the court and can't control his grumpiness when there is adversity against him individually. To me that is not the mark of someone you want to lead especially when things do not go as planned (perhaps unless that player is an established superstar). I think he can find a home in the NBA and prosper even more on a team which already has an established superstar. For the Knicks however, the cat is already out of the bag. He became the anointed leader and Alpha over the last 2 seasons. He is also the highest paid player. Hard for me to see him taking a seat behind anyone on this roster anytime soon. IMO - as long as he is here he will remain the Alpha - I would expect he continues to get 35 mpg and be the focal point on offense while occasionally taking plays off on D. For me it is starting to feel similar to the 2013-14 season and beyond with Melo as the Alpha - with the difference that Randle is not as good as Melo.

Knixkik wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:I'm still convinced the rumor that Julius has asked out is BS...but it may become a self fulfilling prophecy.

The way fans/media are going to run with this. Will be surprised if he doesn't get booed tonight.

Thibs shut it down pretty well in pregame. He was pretty adamant.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/03/julius-randle-denies-asking-to-be-traded.html

Another fabulous "scoop" by WFAN...

BigDaddyG wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I think the issue Randle has is just how quickly the fans in New York turn on guys. Other places fans are disinterested but New York fans will jeer the home team. I get why players sour on it.

Julius's assists per game over the past 3 seasons are: 3/6/5~ he's still moving the ball.
In some ways Julius has been more of a leader than Melo was. He might be the biggest leader since Marbury.

Trading Randle would be disastrous for the team's culture and record. If the Knicks can lock up Mitchell, most of the roster is set outside of PG. What can the Knicks expect from Kemba, Rose, And Noel?

If we trade Randle it means we will rebuild so should trade Randle and Fournier to LAL for Westbrook.

Have you played team ball or been part of an organization where leadership is actually a thing?

You are a stat guy and you will need to read and watch beyond raw numbers to get a better understanding of basketball and team performance.

The bold leads me to believe there is a ton of growth and data to human interpretation that needs a ton more experience.

Randle has a terrible poker face on the court and can't control his grumpiness when there is adversity against him individually. To me that is not the mark of someone you want to lead especially when things do not go as planned (perhaps unless that player is an established superstar). I think he can find a home in the NBA and prosper even more on a team which already has an established superstar. For the Knicks however, the cat is already out of the bag. He became the anointed leader and Alpha over the last 2 seasons. He is also the highest paid player. Hard for me to see him taking a seat behind anyone on this roster anytime soon. IMO - as long as he is here he will remain the Alpha - I would expect he continues to get 35 mpg and be the focal point on offense while occasionally taking plays off on D. For me it is starting to feel similar to the 2013-14 season and beyond with Melo as the Alpha - with the difference that Randle is not as good as Melo.

Randle's mannerisms remind me a lot of Elfrid Payton last year all the way down to sour face and the lack of effort. Maybe Randle was more nicked up (pun intended) than he let on? If that was the case, you'd think he would've been more willing to defer.

Or sit for games or tell Thibs he needs to play only 30 minutes. Anything but what he is doing.

BigDaddyG wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I think the issue Randle has is just how quickly the fans in New York turn on guys. Other places fans are disinterested but New York fans will jeer the home team. I get why players sour on it.

Julius's assists per game over the past 3 seasons are: 3/6/5~ he's still moving the ball.
In some ways Julius has been more of a leader than Melo was. He might be the biggest leader since Marbury.

Trading Randle would be disastrous for the team's culture and record. If the Knicks can lock up Mitchell, most of the roster is set outside of PG. What can the Knicks expect from Kemba, Rose, And Noel?

If we trade Randle it means we will rebuild so should trade Randle and Fournier to LAL for Westbrook.

Have you played team ball or been part of an organization where leadership is actually a thing?

You are a stat guy and you will need to read and watch beyond raw numbers to get a better understanding of basketball and team performance.

The bold leads me to believe there is a ton of growth and data to human interpretation that needs a ton more experience.

Randle has a terrible poker face on the court and can't control his grumpiness when there is adversity against him individually. To me that is not the mark of someone you want to lead especially when things do not go as planned (perhaps unless that player is an established superstar). I think he can find a home in the NBA and prosper even more on a team which already has an established superstar. For the Knicks however, the cat is already out of the bag. He became the anointed leader and Alpha over the last 2 seasons. He is also the highest paid player. Hard for me to see him taking a seat behind anyone on this roster anytime soon. IMO - as long as he is here he will remain the Alpha - I would expect he continues to get 35 mpg and be the focal point on offense while occasionally taking plays off on D. For me it is starting to feel similar to the 2013-14 season and beyond with Melo as the Alpha - with the difference that Randle is not as good as Melo.

Randle's mannerisms remind me a lot of Elfrid Payton last year all the way down to sour face and the lack of effort. Maybe Randle was more nicked up (pun intended) than he let on? If that was the case, you'd think he would've been more willing to defer.

Yep, if he does want to be here, it's worrying because everything he does seems to convey he doesn't- I mean, if this is how you behave when you want to be somewhere, I dread to think how you are when you don't.

I do feel bad for his kid seeing and hearing the booing and criticism, and it must be hard as a dad knowing your son is hearing you getting blasted. At the same time I don't get why he behaves like he does (the tantrums, the moaning, etc) knowing his kid is there watching him- last season in that fictional Player Tribune article his award winning ghost writer wrote, it specifically said that seeing his son re-enact what he was doing was one of the main reasons he wanted to become a better leader etc- don't get how you can have such an epiphany and then promptly erase it completely a few months later AND double down on the crappy behaviour.