fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:...of the tank threads?

And the start of a 10 game win streak?
Now we'll see how many Knick fans the UK has and how many are just frustrated little Coach/GM wannabes.

Treatises On Fixing Our Head Coach's Emotional Blindspots. Holy Fucking Shit.

Agreed.
I'm still confused by the incessant rant that Thibs refuses to play rookies. He has played ALL THE ROOKIES THIS YEAR AND LAST. Including second rounders - which btw, aside from Mitch never happened before. This year THREE rookies see the court and two of them second rounders.

You can claim scenarios that he was forced or not forced, but since WHEN did it become too long for a year to be how long it takes to bring along a rookie, nevermind a second rounder?

You can claim you've been saying it all year, Thibs stubborn, yada yada, but before now I've always also been of the opinion that rooks gotta earn it, and it ain't changed now.
People also burned the coaches for not playing:
Galloway
Grant
And Frank

Panos wrote:And you see where those players got anyone.
I LOVE THE ROOKS more than any time in Knicks history, especially because they are late pick underdogs and over-performing. (Which is another discussion which should be had - kudos to FO for not pulling a John Wallace, McCarty, Dontae Jones draft. THANK YOU)
But the reality is we all collectively and individually don't know dick.
Thbs has forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
And I'm glad he's not tearing down players in public making situations worse a la MDA and then y'all be saying he ruined trade values.

fishmike wrote:this... and the eye test. The team plays hard. They play together. For all their chemistry issues here we are at the end of a disappointing season and the old guys and young guys are still fighting, still playing hard, and still playing together.

That's good coaching. That's a coach who has NOT lost his team. These agenda driven narratives are painful. We have a roster full of young hungry hustlers and they are playing hard for this coach, along with the vets.

Thibs has his faults... I dont even love the guy. He's the first good coach we have had in a while and it shows

Mike Miller says hi and says he still loves you, fish.

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:...of the tank threads?

And the start of a 10 game win streak?
Now we'll see how many Knick fans the UK has and how many are just frustrated little Coach/GM wannabes.

Treatises On Fixing Our Head Coach's Emotional Blindspots. Holy Fucking Shit.

Agreed.
I'm still confused by the incessant rant that Thibs refuses to play rookies. He has played ALL THE ROOKIES THIS YEAR AND LAST. Including second rounders - which btw, aside from Mitch never happened before. This year THREE rookies see the court and two of them second rounders.

You can claim scenarios that he was forced or not forced, but since WHEN did it become too long for a year to be how long it takes to bring along a rookie, nevermind a second rounder?

You can claim you've been saying it all year, Thibs stubborn, yada yada, but before now I've always also been of the opinion that rooks gotta earn it, and it ain't changed now.
People also burned the coaches for not playing:
Galloway
Grant
And Frank
And you see where those players got anyone.
I LOVE THE ROOKS more than any time in Knicks history, especially because they are late pick underdogs and over-performing. (Which is another discussion which should be had - kudos to FO for not pulling a John Wallace, McCarty, Dontae Jones draft. THANK YOU)
But the reality is we all collectively and individually don't know dick.
Thbs has forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
And I'm glad he's not tearing down players in public making situations worse a la MDA and then y'all be saying he ruined trade values.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fishmike wrote:its a dark day when fans look to Berman for pulse of the team.

Thibs comments were spot on, at least the 7 seconds worth listening to. He wants team unity.

Fans set expectations based on last year's team. You know... the one that Thibs coached. He's a good coach. He's far from perfect, but he's good. It impossible that guys like Obi and IQ are playing well BECAUSE of the coaching staff. Everything is always in spite.

Team plays hard. Its same **** year after year... we should be winning 50 games except for the coach.

All of my reaction is to the words Thibs used - the quotations. Maybe Berman creates negative context to everything, but its not that I rely on Berman to tell me how to feel. If anything, I tend to think the opposite of whatever he writes.

If Thibs thinks its fans that create the dissension in the locker room, he is talking to the wrong people about attitude and relationship. We all see demeanor on the court. We all see that Randle is still trying to play iso ball and is using Fournier as the release valve to the exclusion of the other 3 people on the court. That disharmony isn't coming from the fans or social media and if Thibs doesn't see it, he has a significant blind spot.

That's the point of my post. He is validating his decisions based on the amount of tape watched -- and yes, he watches more tape than us. That's why he is the coach and gets the final decision. That said, he seems to be emotionally tied to his decisions and is truly slow to change. He seems to be using that process to validate decisions made months ago instead of challenging his assumptions. That second unit has been bailing out the starting unit all year. That's the only reason they even have 33 wins. You can call that "strategy" but it looks more like stubbornness. They are 5.5 games back from the 10 game play in with 7 games left.

Play the kids more and get them some experience.

Did you watch the interview?

No. I am relying on the quoted text.

You are relying on Marc Berman's VERY KNOWABLE clickbait quotes without context? Is that a better way of saying it?

A quote is a quote as denoted by the quotation marks. You going to start requiring primary source citations in format approved by Chicago Manual of Style on this site? If you let me footnote my posts I’ll add lots of fun citations to my posts and hire an intern to fact check them.

Quotes are quotes. If you wanna play See no evil Hear no evil at the same time, that's on you.

I can add "F--- Berman" to my post if it squares with you? Most of my posts on Berman are "F--- Berman" posts. But this one wasn't about Berman, it was about Thibs.

I'd heed this advice. Maybe watch the actual Q&A session. Thibs is backing his players, he didn't say it directly but he is going to the matts for Randle.

EwingsGlass wrote:Maybe Berman creates negative context to everything

Man Thibs has his faults but the guys play hard and he's clearly got their back and they play like he's got their back. This is it. Considering how bad it got this year Im pretty happy with how the team is still fighting to play better and win games.

I’m sorry. I think I threw up in my mouth a little bit, every time I hear you backing thibs. Question, what’s your thoughts on fizdale? They definitely played hard for him. Why not bring him back since players played hard during his time. How about danfony? He changed the game and players love his system. Or let’s try this. Give me some knick coaches we had in the past where players did not play hard for the coach. Just curious that’s all. To me players play hard for contracts not coaches. But just my opinion. I could be wrong and that’s ok.

I can’t give thibs too much credit for much except for derailing the season and over playing the vets. Without thibs we might have a worse draft selection than 12. So I guess thank you thibs for being horrible enough to get us the 12th pick.

I’ve said this before plenty of times. I don’t give this coach or any coach as much credit as you guys. But I don’t mind being the only person in this forum who feels that way. Coaches coach and players play. U have good players, they will play hard for u. You have bad players, they are 50/50 regarding how hard they play. Randle will be Randle, regardless of the coach. Maybe pat riley? But Randle is wired different.

With that said moving forward, thibs deserves to return. He clearly has a connection with the players, which I’m not surprised. Always been a players coach from day 1. So players love him. But if thibs is as stubborn as advertised then maybe he will continue to use the yoots like he has been. Still need to remove some of the vets and allow thibs to use a tight rotation relying on the young players. And keep taj and other glue guys as just that. Glue guys. Randle wants to be the main guy. He’s paid like the main guy. He’s not a glue guy like taj. Obi and Randle can not be on the same team coached by thibs. Not working. One of those 3 have to go.

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:...of the tank threads?

And the start of a 10 game win streak?
Now we'll see how many Knick fans the UK has and how many are just frustrated little Coach/GM wannabes.

Treatises On Fixing Our Head Coach's Emotional Blindspots. Holy Fucking Shit.

Agreed.
I'm still confused by the incessant rant that Thibs refuses to play rookies. He has played ALL THE ROOKIES THIS YEAR AND LAST. Including second rounders - which btw, aside from Mitch never happened before. This year THREE rookies see the court and two of them second rounders.

You can claim scenarios that he was forced or not forced, but since WHEN did it become too long for a year to be how long it takes to bring along a rookie, nevermind a second rounder?

You can claim you've been saying it all year, Thibs stubborn, yada yada, but before now I've always also been of the opinion that rooks gotta earn it, and it ain't changed now.
People also burned the coaches for not playing:
Galloway
Grant
And Frank
And you see where those players got anyone.
I LOVE THE ROOKS more than any time in Knicks history, especially because they are late pick underdogs and over-performing. (Which is another discussion which should be had - kudos to FO for not pulling a John Wallace, McCarty, Dontae Jones draft. THANK YOU)
But the reality is we all collectively and individually don't know dick.
Thbs has forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
And I'm glad he's not tearing down players in public making situations worse a la MDA and then y'all be saying he ruined trade values.

this... and the eye test. The team plays hard. They play together. For all their chemistry issues here we are at the end of a disappointing season and the old guys and young guys are still fighting, still playing hard, and still playing together.

That's good coaching. That's a coach who has NOT lost his team. These agenda driven narratives are painful. We have a roster full of young hungry hustlers and they are playing hard for this coach, along with the vets.

Thibs has his faults... I dont even love the guy. He's the first good coach we have had in a while and it shows

I am also in tune with all this. I appreciate that there are reasonable, sometimes even informed (though not in my case) posters on this board.

It probably goes without saying but what's a message board for then? This has been a frustrating, painful 2021 - 22 campaign. There are a number of factors -- Randle's two steps back, Rose and Walker's physical demise and the lack of a "true" point guard (perhaps the main reason?), and overall working out chemistry issues. And maybe just lack of talent. So many want to blame, and it should likely be spread out among the FO, the coach and coaches, the players, and I'd add the fans and media who create an environment of bing bongness and negativity. For me, Thibs is probably the least to blame for all this. As mentioned, the team continues to play hard and despite so much spewed nonsense, young players have played a lot and even predominantly as the season has worn on (figure Mitch and RJ into that please).

I have mentioned before if you flipped flopped last season and this one we'd all be tickled pink. Of course that isn't the case but think back say three years. We have young good prospects and draft picks. We have a few solid vets (no matter what some people say). We seem to have Dolan staying out of it. We have an offseason coming up to sort things out with a front office who at the least seem competent. I am a traumatized Knicks fan but for me this is the most hopeful scenario we've had in decades. Which, yeah, isn't saying much but I'll take it.

bro it's been frustrating since 2000 outside of the hot months of Linsanity

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:...of the tank threads?

And the start of a 10 game win streak?
Now we'll see how many Knick fans the UK has and how many are just frustrated little Coach/GM wannabes.

Treatises On Fixing Our Head Coach's Emotional Blindspots. Holy Fucking Shit.

Agreed.
I'm still confused by the incessant rant that Thibs refuses to play rookies. He has played ALL THE ROOKIES THIS YEAR AND LAST. Including second rounders - which btw, aside from Mitch never happened before. This year THREE rookies see the court and two of them second rounders.

You can claim scenarios that he was forced or not forced, but since WHEN did it become too long for a year to be how long it takes to bring along a rookie, nevermind a second rounder?

You can claim you've been saying it all year, Thibs stubborn, yada yada, but before now I've always also been of the opinion that rooks gotta earn it, and it ain't changed now.
People also burned the coaches for not playing:
Galloway
Grant
And Frank
And you see where those players got anyone.
I LOVE THE ROOKS more than any time in Knicks history, especially because they are late pick underdogs and over-performing. (Which is another discussion which should be had - kudos to FO for not pulling a John Wallace, McCarty, Dontae Jones draft. THANK YOU)
But the reality is we all collectively and individually don't know dick.
Thbs has forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
And I'm glad he's not tearing down players in public making situations worse a la MDA and then y'all be saying he ruined trade values.

this... and the eye test. The team plays hard. They play together. For all their chemistry issues here we are at the end of a disappointing season and the old guys and young guys are still fighting, still playing hard, and still playing together.

That's good coaching. That's a coach who has NOT lost his team. These agenda driven narratives are painful. We have a roster full of young hungry hustlers and they are playing hard for this coach, along with the vets.

Thibs has his faults... I dont even love the guy. He's the first good coach we have had in a while and it shows

I am also in tune with all this. I appreciate that there are reasonable, sometimes even informed (though not in my case) posters on this board.

It probably goes without saying but what's a message board for then? This has been a frustrating, painful 2021 - 22 campaign. There are a number of factors -- Randle's two steps back, Rose and Walker's physical demise and the lack of a "true" point guard (perhaps the main reason?), and overall working out chemistry issues. And maybe just lack of talent. So many want to blame, and it should likely be spread out among the FO, the coach and coaches, the players, and I'd add the fans and media who create an environment of bing bongness and negativity. For me, Thibs is probably the least to blame for all this. As mentioned, the team continues to play hard and despite so much spewed nonsense, young players have played a lot and even predominantly as the season has worn on (figure Mitch and RJ into that please).

I have mentioned before if you flipped flopped last season and this one we'd all be tickled pink. Of course that isn't the case but think back say three years. We have young good prospects and draft picks. We have a few solid vets (no matter what some people say). We seem to have Dolan staying out of it. We have an offseason coming up to sort things out with a front office who at the least seem competent. I am a traumatized Knicks fan but for me this is the most hopeful scenario we've had in decades. Which, yeah, isn't saying much but I'll take it.

bro it's been frustrating since 2000 outside of the hot months of Linsanity

Preach.

Feel like I just punched myself in thyne own nuts with that timeline reminder

2012-13 was good enough. Linsanity made it better, but it was pretty good overall.

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:...of the tank threads?

And the start of a 10 game win streak?
Now we'll see how many Knick fans the UK has and how many are just frustrated little Coach/GM wannabes.

Treatises On Fixing Our Head Coach's Emotional Blindspots. Holy Fucking Shit.

Agreed.
I'm still confused by the incessant rant that Thibs refuses to play rookies. He has played ALL THE ROOKIES THIS YEAR AND LAST. Including second rounders - which btw, aside from Mitch never happened before. This year THREE rookies see the court and two of them second rounders.

You can claim scenarios that he was forced or not forced, but since WHEN did it become too long for a year to be how long it takes to bring along a rookie, nevermind a second rounder?

You can claim you've been saying it all year, Thibs stubborn, yada yada, but before now I've always also been of the opinion that rooks gotta earn it, and it ain't changed now.
People also burned the coaches for not playing:
Galloway
Grant
And Frank
And you see where those players got anyone.
I LOVE THE ROOKS more than any time in Knicks history, especially because they are late pick underdogs and over-performing. (Which is another discussion which should be had - kudos to FO for not pulling a John Wallace, McCarty, Dontae Jones draft. THANK YOU)
But the reality is we all collectively and individually don't know dick.
Thbs has forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
And I'm glad he's not tearing down players in public making situations worse a la MDA and then y'all be saying he ruined trade values.

this... and the eye test. The team plays hard. They play together. For all their chemistry issues here we are at the end of a disappointing season and the old guys and young guys are still fighting, still playing hard, and still playing together.

That's good coaching. That's a coach who has NOT lost his team. These agenda driven narratives are painful. We have a roster full of young hungry hustlers and they are playing hard for this coach, along with the vets.

Thibs has his faults... I dont even love the guy. He's the first good coach we have had in a while and it shows

I am also in tune with all this. I appreciate that there are reasonable, sometimes even informed (though not in my case) posters on this board.

It probably goes without saying but what's a message board for then? This has been a frustrating, painful 2021 - 22 campaign. There are a number of factors -- Randle's two steps back, Rose and Walker's physical demise and the lack of a "true" point guard (perhaps the main reason?), and overall working out chemistry issues. And maybe just lack of talent. So many want to blame, and it should likely be spread out among the FO, the coach and coaches, the players, and I'd add the fans and media who create an environment of bing bongness and negativity. For me, Thibs is probably the least to blame for all this. As mentioned, the team continues to play hard and despite so much spewed nonsense, young players have played a lot and even predominantly as the season has worn on (figure Mitch and RJ into that please).

I have mentioned before if you flipped flopped last season and this one we'd all be tickled pink. Of course that isn't the case but think back say three years. We have young good prospects and draft picks. We have a few solid vets (no matter what some people say). We seem to have Dolan staying out of it. We have an offseason coming up to sort things out with a front office who at the least seem competent. I am a traumatized Knicks fan but for me this is the most hopeful scenario we've had in decades. Which, yeah, isn't saying much but I'll take it.

bro it's been frustrating since 2000 outside of the hot months of Linsanity

Preach.

Feel like I just punched myself in thyne own nuts with that timeline reminder

2012-13 was good enough. Linsanity made it better, but it was pretty good overall.

All the old school knick fans like myself need therapy.

Ever ask yourself "WTF am I doing here?"

djsunyc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:...of the tank threads?

And the start of a 10 game win streak?
Now we'll see how many Knick fans the UK has and how many are just frustrated little Coach/GM wannabes.

Treatises On Fixing Our Head Coach's Emotional Blindspots. Holy Fucking Shit.

Agreed.
I'm still confused by the incessant rant that Thibs refuses to play rookies. He has played ALL THE ROOKIES THIS YEAR AND LAST. Including second rounders - which btw, aside from Mitch never happened before. This year THREE rookies see the court and two of them second rounders.

You can claim scenarios that he was forced or not forced, but since WHEN did it become too long for a year to be how long it takes to bring along a rookie, nevermind a second rounder?

You can claim you've been saying it all year, Thibs stubborn, yada yada, but before now I've always also been of the opinion that rooks gotta earn it, and it ain't changed now.
People also burned the coaches for not playing:
Galloway
Grant
And Frank
And you see where those players got anyone.
I LOVE THE ROOKS more than any time in Knicks history, especially because they are late pick underdogs and over-performing. (Which is another discussion which should be had - kudos to FO for not pulling a John Wallace, McCarty, Dontae Jones draft. THANK YOU)
But the reality is we all collectively and individually don't know dick.
Thbs has forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
And I'm glad he's not tearing down players in public making situations worse a la MDA and then y'all be saying he ruined trade values.

this... and the eye test. The team plays hard. They play together. For all their chemistry issues here we are at the end of a disappointing season and the old guys and young guys are still fighting, still playing hard, and still playing together.

That's good coaching. That's a coach who has NOT lost his team. These agenda driven narratives are painful. We have a roster full of young hungry hustlers and they are playing hard for this coach, along with the vets.

Thibs has his faults... I dont even love the guy. He's the first good coach we have had in a while and it shows

if there's one person that knows dick, it's fishmike.

Panos wrote:

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

martin wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

jrodmc wrote:...of the tank threads?

And the start of a 10 game win streak?
Now we'll see how many Knick fans the UK has and how many are just frustrated little Coach/GM wannabes.

Treatises On Fixing Our Head Coach's Emotional Blindspots. Holy Fucking Shit.

Agreed.
I'm still confused by the incessant rant that Thibs refuses to play rookies. He has played ALL THE ROOKIES THIS YEAR AND LAST. Including second rounders - which btw, aside from Mitch never happened before. This year THREE rookies see the court and two of them second rounders.

You can claim scenarios that he was forced or not forced, but since WHEN did it become too long for a year to be how long it takes to bring along a rookie, nevermind a second rounder?

You can claim you've been saying it all year, Thibs stubborn, yada yada, but before now I've always also been of the opinion that rooks gotta earn it, and it ain't changed now.
People also burned the coaches for not playing:
Galloway
Grant
And Frank
And you see where those players got anyone.
I LOVE THE ROOKS more than any time in Knicks history, especially because they are late pick underdogs and over-performing. (Which is another discussion which should be had - kudos to FO for not pulling a John Wallace, McCarty, Dontae Jones draft. THANK YOU)
But the reality is we all collectively and individually don't know dick.
Thbs has forgotten more basketball than you'll ever know.
And I'm glad he's not tearing down players in public making situations worse a la MDA and then y'all be saying he ruined trade values.

this... and the eye test. The team plays hard. They play together. For all their chemistry issues here we are at the end of a disappointing season and the old guys and young guys are still fighting, still playing hard, and still playing together.

That's good coaching. That's a coach who has NOT lost his team. These agenda driven narratives are painful. We have a roster full of young hungry hustlers and they are playing hard for this coach, along with the vets.

Thibs has his faults... I dont even love the guy. He's the first good coach we have had in a while and it shows

I am also in tune with all this. I appreciate that there are reasonable, sometimes even informed (though not in my case) posters on this board.

It probably goes without saying but what's a message board for then? This has been a frustrating, painful 2021 - 22 campaign. There are a number of factors -- Randle's two steps back, Rose and Walker's physical demise and the lack of a "true" point guard (perhaps the main reason?), and overall working out chemistry issues. And maybe just lack of talent. So many want to blame, and it should likely be spread out among the FO, the coach and coaches, the players, and I'd add the fans and media who create an environment of bing bongness and negativity. For me, Thibs is probably the least to blame for all this. As mentioned, the team continues to play hard and despite so much spewed nonsense, young players have played a lot and even predominantly as the season has worn on (figure Mitch and RJ into that please).

I have mentioned before if you flipped flopped last season and this one we'd all be tickled pink. Of course that isn't the case but think back say three years. We have young good prospects and draft picks. We have a few solid vets (no matter what some people say). We seem to have Dolan staying out of it. We have an offseason coming up to sort things out with a front office who at the least seem competent. I am a traumatized Knicks fan but for me this is the most hopeful scenario we've had in decades. Which, yeah, isn't saying much but I'll take it.

bro it's been frustrating since 2000 outside of the hot months of Linsanity

Preach.

Feel like I just punched myself in thyne own nuts with that timeline reminder

2012-13 was good enough. Linsanity made it better, but it was pretty good overall.

All the old school knick fans like myself need therapy.

Ever ask yourself "WTF am I doing here?"

Not really. I used to go to therapy for my gambling habits or poker as I would say. And in those sessions I realized these types of forums or gatherings is like gaseline is needed for cars. This is our release station. We get to release Knicks stuff that nobody in the world would understand. Like having 20 plus pages on a second rounder. That’s crazy for some and normal for us. So nah……8”I learned to enjoy it that way. Otherwise all this bullshet would be stuck in me. I need to get this Knicks emotions out…..good or bad

gradyandrew wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Not really. I used to go to therapy for my gambling habits or poker as I would say. And in those sessions I realized these types of forums or gatherings is like gaseline is needed for cars. This is our release station. We get to release Knicks stuff that nobody in the world would understand. Like having 20 plus pages on a second rounder. That’s crazy for some and normal for us. So nah……8”I learned to enjoy it that way. Otherwise all this bullshet would be stuck in me. I need to get this Knicks emotions out…..good or bad

I love this!

Threadwise I'm with Nalod, fishmike, and Panos. The schedule started light, on Cole Anthony's career night, it should have been clear Kemba was cooked. Instead Coach stayed with him through the cakewalk stretch of the season. If anything those DRTG underestimate his impact because they were verse teams that ultimately ended up outside the playoffs.

For me, the Knicks would probably have a better record if they had started starting Burks sooner rather than later. Nothing to be ashamed about having a Net 0 rating. That's Thibs strategy to let the bench build a lead.

One unjustified complaint is about Randle s usage- RJ has taken over in the New Year! I think Thibs Randle and RJ are in agreement about the future running through RJ.

I still think Obi Noel Burks Kemba this year's first, next year's Dallas and a second rounder for Dame put us over the top for next season.

If this is true, what is Randle so upset about? The fans getting after him for losing?