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3/17/2022  11:50 AM
martin wrote:
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blkexec wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:The knicks are so much interesting to watch when the kids are given playing time.if the front office wants to stir the team back to last year's success. They need to undo last offseason's signing and double down on the youth!

If Thibs played the yoots earlier, say when he removed Kemba the 1st time, we would at least be in the playin tournament or playoffs. Instead he started Burks and gave most his mins to the vets.

Our young core already plays with loads of energy. Now their confidence is starting to increase. And the wins over teams we suppose to beat are adding up.

During the season, every guard had a career game. I’m sure thibs is kicking himself that he never played our best guard defender during those games. Deuce is a solid on ball defender to have off the bench. IQ looks like he found that balance between playmaking and shooting.

This is a deep team full of good but not great players. Before we talk about adding players we need to decide on which players will we drop. We already 12 or more deep when rose and grimes return.


Im sorry... who was he supposed to play over the veteran he trusts? Didnt you play some ball? You really think a coach is going to play 2nd round rookie over a guy he trusts and has played well for him?

Burks wasnt good but when you lose your starter and backup PGs things get hard. Suggesting the answer was there all along is silly.

Be more direct: Just playing McBride more was not the solution for the Knicks to make the play-in game.

I think during the 1st time Kemba was exiled to the bench Deuce is just not ready. It seems Thibs call to hold off Deuce earlier might be the right call. Throwing the young PG to the wolves early in the season could destroy his confidence. Now that Rokas announce he wont go to the NBA next season i hope the IQ-Deuce pairing will be a staple come next year.

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3/17/2022  5:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2022  5:54 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:The knicks are so much interesting to watch when the kids are given playing time.if the front office wants to stir the team back to last year's success. They need to undo last offseason's signing and double down on the youth!

If Thibs played the yoots earlier, say when he removed Kemba the 1st time, we would at least be in the playin tournament or playoffs. Instead he started Burks and gave most his mins to the vets.

Our young core already plays with loads of energy. Now their confidence is starting to increase. And the wins over teams we suppose to beat are adding up.

During the season, every guard had a career game. I’m sure thibs is kicking himself that he never played our best guard defender during those games. Deuce is a solid on ball defender to have off the bench. IQ looks like he found that balance between playmaking and shooting.

This is a deep team full of good but not great players. Before we talk about adding players we need to decide on which players will we drop. We already 12 or more deep when rose and grimes return.


Im sorry... who was he supposed to play over the veteran he trusts? Didnt you play some ball? You really think a coach is going to play 2nd round rookie over a guy he trusts and has played well for him?

Burks wasnt good but when you lose your starter and backup PGs things get hard. Suggesting the answer was there all along is silly.

Be more direct: Just playing McBride more was not the solution for the Knicks to make the play-in game.

I think during the 1st time Kemba was exiled to the bench Deuce is just not ready. It seems Thibs call to hold off Deuce earlier might be the right call. Throwing the young PG to the wolves early in the season could destroy his confidence. Now that Rokas announce he wont go to the NBA next season i hope the IQ-Deuce pairing will be a staple come next year.


During the first time Kemba was exiled the the Knicks record was (11-9) the week of Thanks-Giving.
At the time Thibs felt embarrassed because the D.Rose 2nd unit bench lineup were performing at a high-level playing consistent ball each game at outscoring opponents bench and starter lineup.
While Thibs starter lineup were playing inconsistent ball EVERY other game looking like a crap starter lineup.
Coach Thibs solution for the Knicks inconsistent starter lineup were to decrease the games 10 man rotation to a 8 man rotation. The Kemba exile was when coach Thibs canceled the Knicks 2nd unit bench lineup (D.Rose, Quickley, Burks, Obi, Taj Gibson/Sims) from the game rotation. Why?
Because D.Rose refuse (again) to be a part of the starter lineup, so coach Thibs had to put Burks in the starter lineup to replace Kemba. When the Knicks went 1-7 in the next 8 games having Burks in the starter lineup, D.Rose knew his name was gonna come up to replace Burks, so the surgery D.Rose put on hold, he decided to go with the surgery asap.

The Knicks FO decision-making in the 2021-22 season were not on the same-page with the NBA COY Thibs.
The draft pick Grimes, the resigning of Burks, the signing of Fournier, and the trade for Cam Reddish all 4 players have something in common. They all play the same position as RJ Barrett, plus all 5 players are 1 position players having a very low IQ in passing-skills and team ball-movement.

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3/17/2022  6:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2022  6:08 PM

I thought it was interesting how Mitch who was not even in the lineup seemed so interested to hear what they were talking about. We know he has his issues playing with the starters but this was good to see.

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3/17/2022  7:09 PM
Clean wrote:

I thought it was interesting how Mitch who was not even in the lineup seemed so interested to hear what they were talking about. We know he has his issues playing with the starters but this was good to see.

PHONEY !!!
If this was the preseason games, I could except RJ Barrett wanting to co-exist with the rookies.
We got 13 games left to the season, and Quickly did a great job this season leading the rookies and Barrett.

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3/17/2022  8:45 PM
fishmike wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:The knicks are so much interesting to watch when the kids are given playing time.if the front office wants to stir the team back to last year's success. They need to undo last offseason's signing and double down on the youth!

If Thibs played the yoots earlier, say when he removed Kemba the 1st time, we would at least be in the playin tournament or playoffs. Instead he started Burks and gave most his mins to the vets.

Our young core already plays with loads of energy. Now their confidence is starting to increase. And the wins over teams we suppose to beat are adding up.

During the season, every guard had a career game. I’m sure thibs is kicking himself that he never played our best guard defender during those games. Deuce is a solid on ball defender to have off the bench. IQ looks like he found that balance between playmaking and shooting.

This is a deep team full of good but not great players. Before we talk about adding players we need to decide on which players will we drop. We already 12 or more deep when rose and grimes return.


Im sorry... who was he supposed to play over the veteran he trusts? Didnt you play some ball? You really think a coach is going to play 2nd round rookie over a guy he trusts and has played well for him?

Burks wasnt good but when you lose your starter and backup PGs things get hard. Suggesting the answer was there all along is silly.

The answer? To what question?

It’s very simple guys. Burks is not a PG or combo guard. And to think the answer is deuce, u are not understanding my point at all.

Yes I played ball, but that was in the 80s. It’s a different game now. We had PGs that set up plays for the team.

But let me be a little clear for you. When thibs removed Kemba, that was his opportunity to switch things up. Just looking at deuce is very narrow minded. Thibs had his chance to make changes. Let’s say it this way. Let’s say I was thibs and I removed Kemba (which I wouldn’t do because it was too early)

I’m starting IQ not Burks. And I’m moving Deuce to the second unit. I’m moving Fournier to the bench and starting grimes. Also I’m not dropping Kemba, I’m moving him to the bench. Thibs saying he respects Kemba too much to bench him is bullshet. It’s more disrespectful to remove him from the team and he did it twice 🤣. So I call bullshet on that.

That’s just off the top of the head without thinking too much. So please stop this “how can you start deuce over Burks stuff. Please. Deuce was the next PG on the depth chart. But I’m bringing him off the bench to get used to nba speed first. IQ wouldve been the next man up. IQ understands if rose came back, he would start. Now to me it’s still close between picking IQ or deuce at that time why? So I’ll admit I was going back and forth between IQ and deuce to start, why u ask? Because RJ and Randle are the ball handlers. Thibs system runs with or without a PG. could be why he put Burks in there. What thibs failed to forget is we already had a problem with slow tempo, And guard defense at the point of attack. Burks is 6’6. He’s not agile enough to guard point guards with a quick first step and a jumper, which is most guards in the nba.

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3/17/2022  8:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2022  8:55 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:The knicks are so much interesting to watch when the kids are given playing time.if the front office wants to stir the team back to last year's success. They need to undo last offseason's signing and double down on the youth!

If Thibs played the yoots earlier, say when he removed Kemba the 1st time, we would at least be in the playin tournament or playoffs. Instead he started Burks and gave most his mins to the vets.

Our young core already plays with loads of energy. Now their confidence is starting to increase. And the wins over teams we suppose to beat are adding up.

During the season, every guard had a career game. I’m sure thibs is kicking himself that he never played our best guard defender during those games. Deuce is a solid on ball defender to have off the bench. IQ looks like he found that balance between playmaking and shooting.

This is a deep team full of good but not great players. Before we talk about adding players we need to decide on which players will we drop. We already 12 or more deep when rose and grimes return.


Im sorry... who was he supposed to play over the veteran he trusts? Didnt you play some ball? You really think a coach is going to play 2nd round rookie over a guy he trusts and has played well for him?

Burks wasnt good but when you lose your starter and backup PGs things get hard. Suggesting the answer was there all along is silly.

Be more direct: Just playing McBride more was not the solution for the Knicks to make the play-in game.

Ok let’s be direct. I don’t give a rats azz about the play in game. This team was trash early and I’m on record saying what’s the point in making the playoffs with the vets consuming majority of the minutes just to lose in the first round. How does deuce playing in the gleague against non nba players prepare him for nba speed? Now that Thibs is finally playing deuce you want to say, see he’s not ready 🤣. Stop it. Nobody knows how deuce would’ve looked right now if thibs put him in the rotation earlier. So stop it. I’m all about winning. But at some point I have to understand our team of vets was not doing it. We was losing and the yoots was bringing us back. What game are y’all watching????? Is this jump on Blkexec day because I disapproved your great coach. I also trashed Phil Jackson before we even hired him. I’m not afraid to Admit when I’m wrong trust me. But the best development is game time not practice or gleague.

U want more specifics? Play deuce as the Pg in the second unit and start IQ until rose gets back. By then you will see who’s ready for what. We didn’t know at that time rose was done for the year. So I was ok with IQ or deuce starting.

Playing with RJ and Randle, all deuce will do is stand in the corner and take open shots. Exactly what he’s doing now. I was hesitant with IQ because I didn’t want him to worry about getting RJ and Randle involved and mess up his game.

Now it’s a mute point. IQ is clearly the PG for this team, until someone else steps up. Deuce is then and is now the best guard defender on the team. If not then who’s better at guarding other PGs on this team?

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3/18/2022  5:02 AM
blkexec wrote:
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:The knicks are so much interesting to watch when the kids are given playing time.if the front office wants to stir the team back to last year's success. They need to undo last offseason's signing and double down on the youth!

If Thibs played the yoots earlier, say when he removed Kemba the 1st time, we would at least be in the playin tournament or playoffs. Instead he started Burks and gave most his mins to the vets.

Our young core already plays with loads of energy. Now their confidence is starting to increase. And the wins over teams we suppose to beat are adding up.

During the season, every guard had a career game. I’m sure thibs is kicking himself that he never played our best guard defender during those games. Deuce is a solid on ball defender to have off the bench. IQ looks like he found that balance between playmaking and shooting.

This is a deep team full of good but not great players. Before we talk about adding players we need to decide on which players will we drop. We already 12 or more deep when rose and grimes return.


Im sorry... who was he supposed to play over the veteran he trusts? Didnt you play some ball? You really think a coach is going to play 2nd round rookie over a guy he trusts and has played well for him?

Burks wasnt good but when you lose your starter and backup PGs things get hard. Suggesting the answer was there all along is silly.

Be more direct: Just playing McBride more was not the solution for the Knicks to make the play-in game.

Ok let’s be direct. I don’t give a rats azz about the play in game. This team was trash early and I’m on record saying what’s the point in making the playoffs with the vets consuming majority of the minutes just to lose in the first round. How does deuce playing in the gleague against non nba players prepare him for nba speed? Now that Thibs is finally playing deuce you want to say, see he’s not ready 🤣. Stop it. Nobody knows how deuce would’ve looked right now if thibs put him in the rotation earlier. So stop it. I’m all about winning. But at some point I have to understand our team of vets was not doing it. We was losing and the yoots was bringing us back. What game are y’all watching????? Is this jump on Blkexec day because I disapproved your great coach. I also trashed Phil Jackson before we even hired him. I’m not afraid to Admit when I’m wrong trust me. But the best development is game time not practice or gleague.

U want more specifics? Play deuce as the Pg in the second unit and start IQ until rose gets back. By then you will see who’s ready for what. We didn’t know at that time rose was done for the year. So I was ok with IQ or deuce starting.

Playing with RJ and Randle, all deuce will do is stand in the corner and take open shots. Exactly what he’s doing now. I was hesitant with IQ because I didn’t want him to worry about getting RJ and Randle involved and mess up his game.

Now it’s a mute point. IQ is clearly the PG for this team, until someone else steps up. Deuce is then and is now the best guard defender on the team. If not then who’s better at guarding other PGs on this team?


blkexec .. You are always 100% bout the Knicks!
It was to early (20 games, 11-9 record) in the season to DNP, Ban, Exile, or put in the dog-house the new vet PG (Kemba).
Especially, when this is the same type of PG situation (20 games, 9-11 record) as last season, when lots of Knicks fans wanted to replace Payton for rookie Quickly to be the starter PG. But four games later Knicks traded for D.Rose to be our PG finisher, instead of starter.
The Kemba act by Knicks coach Thibs (20 games into the season) had to effect and divide the players and coaching-staff, and should've never happen. Because its still effecting Knicks fans today (29-40 record).

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