Like I said in the past if Thibs can change his rotations and focus on development now that chances of us making the playoffs are low I would be fine with him staying. I have nothing against him I just don't like his coaching style with teams that are not talented enough to win. I don't think he will ever change so I want him gone before he does damage. Short term thinking is fine when you have a team that can win in the short term. We suck so thinking only in the short term is going to do more harm than good.

Clean wrote:We suck so thinking only in the short term is going to do more harm than good.

We think suck, therefore we are. LMAO

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Clean wrote:Someone on another forum found this article on Thibs from his time on the Wolves. Since he never changes this still applies to today. Even to his teams playing really bad in the 4th because the starters are tired while the opponents actually got rest.

https://deadspin.com/tom-thibodeau-is-destruction-1821265024/amp

“But Thibodeau, now the head coach and team president of the Minnesota Timberwolves, has another trick up his sleeve, one he developed during his time with the Bulls. It isn’t really an X’s-and-O’s thing; in fact, the Timberwolves don’t really do anything innovative or even particularly sharp, basketball-wise. It’s just: When the other team takes its starters out of the game to get some rest... Thibodeau, uh, doesn’t.”

"For all that, Thibodeau’s over-reliance on his starters isn’t even good basketball. The talent-overloaded Timberwolves have performed terribly in fourth quarters this season, when their best players are tired and their opponents’ aren’t. They scored a mere 39 points in the second half of the second game of that back-to-back on Dec. 3 and 4, and lost to a cratering Grizzlies team that had just fired its coach."

"According to the NBA’s stats site, Minnesota’s starting five—Jeff Teague, Jimmy Butler, Andrew Wiggins, Taj Gibson, Karl-Anthony Towns—is the NBA’s most used five-man lineup, by miles. Through 28 games, that lineup has logged 167 more minutes—nearly three and a half more games—than any other lineup. And that’s only when they’re all five playing together: At a point in the season when other teams are using deep rotations and all-bench second units to develop their reserves and prevent wear and tear on their starters, the Timberwolves virtually never go any significant stretch of time without at least one starter on the floor."

"As you might expect, treating his players like they are not human beings has tended not to work out super duper well for those players. Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, two of the most important players on Thibodeau’s Bulls teams, aged like bananas under his care; both eroded from All-Stars to shambling old zombies by the time they turned 30."

We need to cut bait before he does major damage to our team and our young players.

Interesting take. Is this true on knicks? I know RJ and Randle get big minutes but so do many others.
That article chronicled 28 games on the wolves like how many years ago? I get it, Thibs plays his main guys but how was it last year vs. this?
How has Butlers minutes changed in the years he left Minny? Has injuries and being over 30 mattered? Noah was not known to take care of his body. Does that factor? What about Deng?
Its a good blanket statement but there are Variables to consider. Many of them.

Thibs plays his guys that are doing well and stays with it. Is that different than his previous stints?

This isn't completely accurate. We've seen many games this season where Randle's effort and play were lacking, and he still played his usual 35 plus minutes. We've also seen many instances where guys off the bench were playing a very good game, but still ended up getting pulled as if certain guys are slotted to get a certain amount of minutes each night, regardless of how well they are playing.

The culture looked pretty good last year. We got exposed in the playoffs and hit a hot team overachieving. This year the guys the FO brought in have not been good fits. The starters have no gelled in any way. Best player is having a really BAD season, we have no PG play...

What you are seeing this year is probably the best thing for this whole franchise. If they thought they could ride RJ/Julius to a 2nd round berth every year they are just mistaken and thats humbling but good IMO. I wanted Derozan for (now) obvious reasons but the FO saw differently. At least they are drafting (reasonably) well.

You can dig up hit pieces on every NBA coach. Thibs isnt perfect for sure but this season's failures start with the FO then go to Randle. Thibs doesnt control Randle. That's not fail. And coaches who yank around their newly resigned max players dont last long. The only solution to Randle is ride it out and either move him or rehab him (like Siakam)

With Thibs you need a PG who break down the D, otherwise its going to be a lot of ISO. Its funny... people thought he wasnt modern. Problem is he's TOO modern. He lets the players play their game so long as he likes it and basically means "be aggressive."

FO has done a cute job drafting role player, signing role players and giving Randle a big payday. I am not sur what else Leon has accomplished so far. Dumping this season on Thibs would really be kicking the can down the road again

Nalod wrote:Derozen is havig like his best season EVER and most likley it would not be the same as here. Not sure what it is but its too easy to thing he’d be replicating this here. We also needed a long range shooter and he is not.

And its not like he was ours for the taking. He might have had an interest but he was all about LA day one from what I have read.
Im not defending the decision, just saying its not like we said “No”. Did we?

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https://twitter.com/KnicksVerse/status/1496946779585056782

Is he watching the same games as us? The starters rank near the bottom of the league. The vets are out there in clutch time because that is the Thibs way. So how is this now the kids fault? They barely get enough time to get in a rhythm but it's their fault? Obi has one of the best plus/minus on the team, in his 8 to 10 minutes a game. So he usually outscores other teams when he is on the floor but its mostly his fault. This guy will never change.

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/KnicksVerse/status/1496946779585056782

Is he watching the same games as us? The starters rank near the bottom of the league. The vets are out there in clutch time because that is the Thibs way. So how is this now the kids fault? They barely get enough time to get in a rhythm but it's their fault? Obi has one of the best plus/minus on the team, in his 8 to 10 minutes a game. So he usually outscores other teams when he is on the floor but its mostly his fault. This guy will never change.

You do understand that the reporter asked Thibs specifically about the 28 point turnaround? When the young guys gave up the lead?

Thought it was a fair and fairly mild response. Unless you are looking for something to hate Thibs about.

Clean wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/KnicksVerse/status/1496946779585056782

Is he watching the same games as us? The starters rank near the bottom of the league. The vets are out there in clutch time because that is the Thibs way. So how is this now the kids fault? They barely get enough time to get in a rhythm but it's their fault? Obi has one of the best plus/minus on the team, in his 8 to 10 minutes a game. So he usually outscores other teams when he is on the floor but its mostly his fault. This guy will never change.

You do understand that the reporter asked Thibs specifically about the 28 point turnaround? When the young guys gave up the lead?

Thought it was a fair and fairly mild response. Unless you are looking for something to hate Thibs about.

Trust me I don't have to go making stuff up or go digging hard if that was what I wanted to do. Thibs gives people a lot of things to hate him for. I mean he got fired twice already for doing exactly what he is doing now. If there was more to the question what you could do it post the missing clip or something. I am going by what I see here because I def am not going to watch a full Thibs interview now with my hype for this team down in the trash. If with full context the answer seems better just say that instead of insinuating I have ulterior motives.

It's 40 seconds long. Did you listen to it closely?