Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

franco12 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

franco12 wrote:
FO has to tell Thibs to give McBride time. NO bs. And if he can't, then yea, he should be fired. Not telling him lose games. Simply stating reality- there is 0% of making the play offs- or if you want, 1%. And as a franchise, we have to find out if the kid has a shot of being any kind of PG for us.

When you hire a head coach, you are giving him the power to run the active roster on the court as he sees fit.

That's the deal.

If you want a rookie to play and you are the GM, you either hope someone gets injured or suspended or you trade off the veterans in front of the rookie.

Thibs was hired to try to win games. He is actually trying to win games. You can argue he's not doing a great job of strategy at times to do that, but he's more likely to win games now with his veterans. Leon Rose knew exactly what kind of coach that Thibs represented and was established at being.

I'm going to be fair about this all. Thibs is a high conflict personality type. He's always feuding with someone somewhere and it's just his thing. But if he's not a fit in the vision for this team and where it's at and where it needs to be, that's on Leon Rose for hiring him in the first place.

If Leon Rose wanted the team to play a certain way, he should have installed himself as head coach. Or hired a no experience puppet of a coach to do what he wants.

If Leon Rose wanted to coach the team and make playing time decisions, he's a bigger ahole than the guy who hired him.

Didn't we already experience the bold with Mr. Prez Triangle Hot Pockets? Is that your not so subtle point, or are you actually making a valid suggestion?

And once upon a time in the late 90’s a GM named Gregg Poppovich fired a decorated head coach Bob hill and all that resulted was 5 championships

Not saying Thibs should be fired but Rose is absolutely right to criticize his rotations which are inept right now. He’s playing his veterans waaaayyy too much while not playing young guys like Obi and Cam enough and he has a pg who has played well in actual games rotting away in westchester

WTF are you talking about? Pop spent 6 years as an assistant coach, and you're comparing that to 2 year FO veteran super agent Leon Rose?

And yet Grimes is getting time and so is IQ, even though neither are setting the world on fire...

Obi does great things on the break and moves well on offense, but among our big men, he's still a defensive liability. Which we know will not fly with Thibs.
McBride was given two starts and some playing time and did what, exactly? He's playing well in Westchester, whoopi-de-dam-doo.

Did I miss Randle's Defensive Player of the Year award?

I guess some here would like to see players get time, learn by playing, learn through their mistakes.

And I totally get it- maybe McBride isn't an NBA player- but I don't think we know that yet. Question, could he really be a worse PG than Burks?

**Looks around several times***.. Who in the hell is saying Randle's a DPOY? My actual point is, if you take a slight glance at our beloved team's defensive stats, no big man other than RJ (who's technically more of a SG) is worse than Obi.

Question is, does Thibs just possibly already know at this juncture that McBride is a worse PG than Burks? And with Rose coming back, maybe the question should be why bring the kid back right now for yet another few cameo appearances so he can piss his pants again?

Practice is where you learn. You're forking out $150 bucks a seat to watch games at MSG while eating 20 dollar hot dogs and drinking 8 dollar beers, and you want to see G-league college kids learning about making mistakes? Seriously?

Yeah, we talkin bout practice...

But, but…….how will yo know?????

I'm sure they'll let Randle talk soon at a post-game, and then he'll spill the beans about how Thibs got all pissed because Deuce mispronounced his name or didn't genuflect while calling him "Mister Coach Sir"...

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

franco12 wrote:
FO has to tell Thibs to give McBride time. NO bs. And if he can't, then yea, he should be fired. Not telling him lose games. Simply stating reality- there is 0% of making the play offs- or if you want, 1%. And as a franchise, we have to find out if the kid has a shot of being any kind of PG for us.

When you hire a head coach, you are giving him the power to run the active roster on the court as he sees fit.

That's the deal.

If you want a rookie to play and you are the GM, you either hope someone gets injured or suspended or you trade off the veterans in front of the rookie.

Thibs was hired to try to win games. He is actually trying to win games. You can argue he's not doing a great job of strategy at times to do that, but he's more likely to win games now with his veterans. Leon Rose knew exactly what kind of coach that Thibs represented and was established at being.

I'm going to be fair about this all. Thibs is a high conflict personality type. He's always feuding with someone somewhere and it's just his thing. But if he's not a fit in the vision for this team and where it's at and where it needs to be, that's on Leon Rose for hiring him in the first place.

If Leon Rose wanted the team to play a certain way, he should have installed himself as head coach. Or hired a no experience puppet of a coach to do what he wants.

If Leon Rose wanted to coach the team and make playing time decisions, he's a bigger ahole than the guy who hired him.

Didn't we already experience the bold with Mr. Prez Triangle Hot Pockets? Is that your not so subtle point, or are you actually making a valid suggestion?

And once upon a time in the late 90’s a GM named Gregg Poppovich fired a decorated head coach Bob hill and all that resulted was 5 championships

Not saying Thibs should be fired but Rose is absolutely right to criticize his rotations which are inept right now. He’s playing his veterans waaaayyy too much while not playing young guys like Obi and Cam enough and he has a pg who has played well in actual games rotting away in westchester

WTF are you talking about? Pop spent 6 years as an assistant coach, and you're comparing that to 2 year FO veteran super agent Leon Rose?

And yet Grimes is getting time and so is IQ, even though neither are setting the world on fire...

Obi does great things on the break and moves well on offense, but among our big men, he's still a defensive liability. Which we know will not fly with Thibs.
McBride was given two starts and some playing time and did what, exactly? He's playing well in Westchester, whoopi-de-dam-doo.

So a GM can only fire or even criticize a coach if he himself was an assistant coach?

Deuce is rotting away in westchester while we have to watch Alec Burks play point guard 40 minutes a night. If that’s not inept what is?

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

franco12 wrote:
FO has to tell Thibs to give McBride time. NO bs. And if he can't, then yea, he should be fired. Not telling him lose games. Simply stating reality- there is 0% of making the play offs- or if you want, 1%. And as a franchise, we have to find out if the kid has a shot of being any kind of PG for us.

When you hire a head coach, you are giving him the power to run the active roster on the court as he sees fit.

That's the deal.

If you want a rookie to play and you are the GM, you either hope someone gets injured or suspended or you trade off the veterans in front of the rookie.

Thibs was hired to try to win games. He is actually trying to win games. You can argue he's not doing a great job of strategy at times to do that, but he's more likely to win games now with his veterans. Leon Rose knew exactly what kind of coach that Thibs represented and was established at being.

I'm going to be fair about this all. Thibs is a high conflict personality type. He's always feuding with someone somewhere and it's just his thing. But if he's not a fit in the vision for this team and where it's at and where it needs to be, that's on Leon Rose for hiring him in the first place.

If Leon Rose wanted the team to play a certain way, he should have installed himself as head coach. Or hired a no experience puppet of a coach to do what he wants.

If Leon Rose wanted to coach the team and make playing time decisions, he's a bigger ahole than the guy who hired him.

Didn't we already experience the bold with Mr. Prez Triangle Hot Pockets? Is that your not so subtle point, or are you actually making a valid suggestion?

And once upon a time in the late 90’s a GM named Gregg Poppovich fired a decorated head coach Bob hill and all that resulted was 5 championships

Not saying Thibs should be fired but Rose is absolutely right to criticize his rotations which are inept right now. He’s playing his veterans waaaayyy too much while not playing young guys like Obi and Cam enough and he has a pg who has played well in actual games rotting away in westchester

WTF are you talking about? Pop spent 6 years as an assistant coach, and you're comparing that to 2 year FO veteran super agent Leon Rose?

And yet Grimes is getting time and so is IQ, even though neither are setting the world on fire...

Obi does great things on the break and moves well on offense, but among our big men, he's still a defensive liability. Which we know will not fly with Thibs.
McBride was given two starts and some playing time and did what, exactly? He's playing well in Westchester, whoopi-de-dam-doo.

So a GM can only fire or even criticize a coach if he himself was an assistant coach?

Deuce is rotting away in westchester while we have to watch Alec Burks play point guard 40 minutes a night. If that’s not inept what is?

Pop fired Bob Hill and took the reins himself, or are you forgetting that little detail that led to 5 chips? You are really going to continue to compare that to Leon Rose here, now? Breathe through your nose, I don't think you're getting enough oxygen to your brain.

How many posts can you say "Deuce is rotting away in westchester" and continue ignore his stat line in the 20 odd games he's played with the big boys this season? Is "rotting away" some sort of mantra for "I just know I know more than Thibs"?

Are you going to continue to complain about Alec Burks when DRose is back playing PG now?

Philc1 wrote:Davis Mills on a crappy Texans Team:

16 tds 11 INTs 66% comp pct

Zach Wilson

9 tds 11 Ints 55% comp pct

Zach Wilson sucks dude.

Bet you won't post your 4th year lover boy Sam Darnold stats @ Carolina. You know the same QB you loved for 5 years now 🤭😆🤭 @ you dude.

Bet you won't post all of the HOF legends stats who had crappy "Rookie Numbers" either.

And I bet you won't post Zach Wilson vs Josh Allen Rookie stats neither 🤭😆🤭 @ you.

Only a clueless football fan would ever write off a QB after 1 Rookie Season drafted by a 2-14 team.

Funny how you posted his 11 INTs but intensionally left out the parts where 7 of those INTs came first 3 weeks and/or how he ended the final 10 games with only 4 INTs and/or how only Zach Wilson and Aaron Rodgers ended the year with 5 consecutive games of 0 INTs thrown.

Zach Wilson doesn't suck dude unfortunately only your QB I.Q sucks because you literally sucked off SAM DARNOLD for 4-5 years

NYKMentality wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Davis Mills on a crappy Texans Team:

16 tds 11 INTs 66% comp pct

Zach Wilson

9 tds 11 Ints 55% comp pct

Zach Wilson sucks dude.

Bet you won't post your 4th year lover boy Sam Darnold stats @ Carolina. You know the same QB you loved for 5 years now 🤭😆🤭 @ you dude.

Bet you won't post all of the HOF legends stats who had crappy "Rookie Numbers" either.

And I bet you won't post Zach Wilson vs Josh Allen Rookie stats neither 🤭😆🤭 @ you.

Only a clueless football fan would ever write off a QB after 1 Rookie Season drafted by a 2-14 team.

Funny how you posted his 11 INTs but intensionally left out the parts where 7 of those INTs came first 3 weeks and/or how he ended the final 10 games with only 4 INTs and/or how only Zach Wilson and Aaron Rodgers ended the year with 5 consecutive games of 0 INTs thrown.

Zach Wilson doesn't suck dude unfortunately only your QB I.Q sucks because you literally sucked off SAM DARNOLD for 4-5 years

Jets won 7 games with Sam Darnold in 2019. They haven’t won 7 games combined in over 2 years since with your boy JD

Zach Wilson is ranked 32 out of 32 nfl starting qbs last season by PFF. That includes other rookie quarterbacks and it includes Sam Darnold. Their rankings not mine. He has a 39 QBR under pressure which was by far the worst in the NFL last season. He sucked in college facing legit competition and what a shocker he sucked last season facing NFL defenses. He looks great throwing 50 yard spirals indoors in shorts and a tshirt tho I’ll give you that.

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I've pretty much given up on making the playoffs. Hopefully we end up with a top 3 draft pick and draft that PG from Purdue

foosballnick wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

franco12 wrote:
FO has to tell Thibs to give McBride time. NO bs. And if he can't, then yea, he should be fired. Not telling him lose games. Simply stating reality- there is 0% of making the play offs- or if you want, 1%. And as a franchise, we have to find out if the kid has a shot of being any kind of PG for us.

When you hire a head coach, you are giving him the power to run the active roster on the court as he sees fit.

That's the deal.

If you want a rookie to play and you are the GM, you either hope someone gets injured or suspended or you trade off the veterans in front of the rookie.

Thibs was hired to try to win games. He is actually trying to win games. You can argue he's not doing a great job of strategy at times to do that, but he's more likely to win games now with his veterans. Leon Rose knew exactly what kind of coach that Thibs represented and was established at being.

I'm going to be fair about this all. Thibs is a high conflict personality type. He's always feuding with someone somewhere and it's just his thing. But if he's not a fit in the vision for this team and where it's at and where it needs to be, that's on Leon Rose for hiring him in the first place.

If Leon Rose wanted the team to play a certain way, he should have installed himself as head coach. Or hired a no experience puppet of a coach to do what he wants.

If Leon Rose wanted to coach the team and make playing time decisions, he's a bigger ahole than the guy who hired him.

Didn't we already experience the bold with Mr. Prez Triangle Hot Pockets? Is that your not so subtle point, or are you actually making a valid suggestion?

And once upon a time in the late 90’s a GM named Gregg Poppovich fired a decorated head coach Bob hill and all that resulted was 5 championships

Not saying Thibs should be fired but Rose is absolutely right to criticize his rotations which are inept right now. He’s playing his veterans waaaayyy too much while not playing young guys like Obi and Cam enough and he has a pg who has played well in actual games rotting away in westchester

WTF are you talking about? Pop spent 6 years as an assistant coach, and you're comparing that to 2 year FO veteran super agent Leon Rose?

And yet Grimes is getting time and so is IQ, even though neither are setting the world on fire...

Obi does great things on the break and moves well on offense, but among our big men, he's still a defensive liability. Which we know will not fly with Thibs.
McBride was given two starts and some playing time and did what, exactly? He's playing well in Westchester, whoopi-de-dam-doo.

So a GM can only fire or even criticize a coach if he himself was an assistant coach?

Deuce is rotting away in westchester while we have to watch Alec Burks play point guard 40 minutes a night. If that’s not inept what is?

Pop fired Bob Hill and took the reins himself, or are you forgetting that little detail that led to 5 chips? You are really going to continue to compare that to Leon Rose here, now? Breathe through your nose, I don't think you're getting enough oxygen to your brain.

How many posts can you say "Deuce is rotting away in westchester" and continue ignore his stat line in the 20 odd games he's played with the big boys this season? Is "rotting away" some sort of mantra for "I just know I know more than Thibs"?

Are you going to continue to complain about Alec Burks when DRose is back playing PG now?

It’s amazing how Deuce, a rookie, he can’t get a chance to develop or possibly get better because Alec Burks the bricklayer gives us such a great chance at winning. What are we, 9 games under .500 after starting out the season 5-1?

It's amazing how poor rookie Deuce's shooting %'s suck major ahole, but bricklayer Alec Burks is listed currently as only one of three people Thibs has on his team shooting anywhere near 40% from three.

Again, please show where McBride excels statistically in the 20+ games he's played in. Bricklayer? How's that 75% from the FT hitting you? Thibs is playing rookie Grimes, gee, I wonder why that is?

Here's the Knicks issue in a nutshell. Rose went down on Dec 18. After that, Thibs moved Burks and IQ to cover at PG. Since that time as the Knicks continued to lose - both of their shooting stats have dropped - in some cases significantly. The problem is the FO did not sufficiently address contingencies at the point for signing 2 older guys (Rose and Kemba) both with previous significant & chronic injury issues. The problem was compounded by Thibs - who moved guys out of position to cover this gap when Rose went down. You draft and sign guys to play a role/position. If they suck to the point that instead of playing them when guys are injured, you have to move other guys into different roles to cover for injuries, then why are they even on the roster? Even the last guy on the bench has a role - which is to be ready in case of injury.

Kemba is done for the season, Rose may also be done. Beyond IQ - who is really a SG - The Knicks have 2 active point guards on the roster - McBride and Arcidiacono - both of whom don't play at all or play 2 minutes per game in garbage time. Why the F are they on the roster if Thibs has no intention of playing them even when there are no other options as PG?

Burks:

thru Dec. 18 : FT% = 0.833 | FG% = 0.388 / 3PT% = 0.400
after Dec 18 : FT% = 0.813 | FG% = 0.369 / 3PT% = 0.369 (Taj Gibson averages 0.364 for the season)

IQ:

thru Dec. 18 : FT% = 0.923 | FG% = 0.390 / 3PT% = 0.346
after Dec 18 : FT% = 0.902 | FG% = 0.343 / 3PT% = 0.304

While it's certainly questionable if McBride will be a viable solution at PG - I don't know about you, but I would rather have Burks on the wing - as he is a 40% shooter from 3 while on the wing and can also ably defend the wing.

You bring up an issue I’ve had with thibs for a while. As great of a coach he is, he’s made some questionable moves.

Makes me think the FO and Thibs are not on the same page. Deuce is the third string PG, and he’s being overlook for what? Are they saving him for something in the future? If he’s that bad, how come we don’t see that in the g league. There are plenty of examples like dotson who killed in the g league and that allowed him a roster spot. Deuce impact on that g league team impacts the entire teams win / loss. What else does he have to do? I wish we could watch him in practice. He must be tripping over his own feet or something.

As soon as thibs put Burks at PG and he was the reason why we beat ATL, thibs stuck with Burks. And Burks never regained that same impact. It was fools gold. Now I understand IQ at point. He’s a tweener. Too small to guard SGs but small enough to guard PGs. Remember thibs looks at the game from the defensive end. What thibs didn’t think about was Burks and IQs offensive impact. And how that would affect the team. This is where thibs weakness of being stubborn hurts the team. It was clear early on those two are not the answer at point and their lack of scoring now hurts the teams offense. Burks used to be the closer to hit big shots in the 4th. IQ was doing his steph curry impersonation hitting logo 3s. All that magic slowly faded while they learn on the job how to run the point and play next to Randle and RJ.

To me that says thibs prefers taller and longer guards. Then why get rid of elf. If he was on this team now, he would get more burn than deuce cause that’s what thibs likes. He likes to have more length at the point. I’m like ok, but what about rose? With the bulls did he play rose only because he was the number 1 pick? Seems like on paper, if it was up to thibs, he would’ve played a taller PG instead because thibs sees the game from a defensive perspective. I do as well, which is why I can see thibs weaknesses and his neglect on offense. I’m sure the FO does as well but at this point we have no other options. So thibs stays. Well we have to stop giving thibs the option. And the FO needs to make moves to force thibs to play certain players like cam.

Yeah I agree with you. If you not playing deuce, then why have him on the roster. Either thibs sees him as a long term solution that’s not ready yet or they keeping his value high by letting him dominate in the g league for a potential off season trade. Hey, who are we to question an established coach who won coy. This is the typical response from knick fans. Well even the smartest person in the world makes mistakes. And Thibs with the FO made some major mistakes which is why we are 9 games under 500.

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I've given up on making the playoffs.

We're 4.5 games back of ATL for the 10th seed and 5 games back in the loss column.

Hopefully we get lucky with the ping pong balls and end up with a top 3 draft pick and draft that PG from Purdue Jaden Ivey.

1.0 game out of the 7th worst NBA record (and wouldn't be shocked to watch us go 2-19 to end the season).