jskinny35 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:jskinny35 wrote:Randle supporters look to the 2 games Randle missed when the team struggled to support why we need to keep Randle. Those same people posting should remember that most here were not suggesting to have him sit out and not play. Randle could be turned into a different opportunity (eg trade for player, picks, young prospects, packaged with another in trade). Our team has a host of problems - but Randle is the focal point as everything runs through him. He holds the most value. The 2nd unit and RJ play a different style/pace and Randle has not adjusted one bit - he still holds the ball too long, poor decision-making when pressured, etc - he's been there 3 seasons. It's not even fair to expect he will suddenly develop these skills after being in the league for 6+ seasons. He's not all of the sudden going to be ok with becoming a 2nd or 3rd option (if RJ passes him which appears possible). He sulks when he doesn't get calls he feels he should, or when the fans express their displeasure.
And if I'm wrong and he were okay with a demoted role - it would have to be a Melo-type trade where we deplete have of the young talent and picks to land a player more accomplished than Randle. That makes zero sense to me.
It's far easier to trade one flawed player (with value) and keep the remaining players/reserves/picks to continue building. Yes we would mostly likely take a step back at first. We're not going anywhere but middle of the road with Randle as the leader.
As for Collins - it's not a bad idea as Toppin isn't ready to step in as a starter so Collins is solid, athletic and still young enough there's hope for more development. Getting Collins would take the pressure off the next issue of landing a specific type of PG to fit around Randle.
Please, this is total non sense,
Marbury
Melo
Amare
Jr Smith
Beasely
Tyson
Fans wanted all of these guys out as soon as they struggled.
Doesn't matter who it is, you struggled knicks HOMERS will want you out of here in a heart beat.
But if Your RJ, KP, Frank, Willy herm, Knox, you can struggle as much as you want....it's ok.
Your argument is weak and baseless. I did not want most of the guys off the Knicks - loved Tyson, Beasley and Amare, Liked Marbury and Melo but time came when it was clear we needed to move on from them. It did make me laugh when you posted guys like KP and Knox as I was never big fans of them but anyway...
This is not a reactionary thing - I've been posting this since the beginning of last season when I suggested he overachieved and we should "sell high." How can you possibly suggest that was the wrong move and that where we are at now is not much worse? His value has decreased but there is still some. You clearly must be a Homer if you have blind loyalty over the team. Let's prove this - RJ is my guy (favorite player on team right now) but if doesn't continue to grow and is still shooting 55% FT in a few seasons he can go as well. I would trade him right now if if clearly made us better in the long-term.
A few questions I hope you will answer...
Can you explain with actual reasoning (not feeling/emotions) why you believe moving on from Randle is "total nonsense"?
What can you offer to realistically defend and support why (after almost 3 full seasons) we should continue to build around Randle?
What problems can you acknowlege w/Randle (eg too ball dominant, doesn't handle pressure well, plays slowly, sulks) if any?
If we were to continue building around Randle - how would you realistically obtain the #1 guy so Randle drops down to the #2 or #3?
Do you not see the difficulty/limitations as we keep trying to find the right fits around Randle vs not having this issue?
If we did gut the bench and draft picks to land a #1 level player - why do you think that would be better/easier vs changing one player?
You always have to ask yourself, did Randle change or did things change around him?
It's easy for you to point the finger at the guy you don't like instead of looking at the team as a whole.
It's easy to say why the hell is Randle holding the ball without thinking did his team make the right cut, is he moving where he is suppose to be.
RANDLE DOES NOT PLAY WELL NEXT TO MITCHEL ROBISON, He struggled with Fiz, and he struggle a little last yr before Mitched went down.
He had his best stretch as a Knick when Mitch was not playing....that isn't even debatable.
