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1/25/2022  5:42 PM
blkexec wrote:I’m hearing thibs name come up a lot now. Especially after yesterday’s game. Saying we are the dumbest team in the league. And it’s hard to disagree. We lack offensive creativity and IQ from the players to the coach.

And whose opinions are those coming from that it would make it worthwhile to make them relevant to pay attention to?

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1/25/2022  5:57 PM
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:I’m hearing thibs name come up a lot now. Especially after yesterday’s game. Saying we are the dumbest team in the league. And it’s hard to disagree. We lack offensive creativity and IQ from the players to the coach.

And whose opinions are those coming from that it would make it worthwhile to make them relevant to pay attention to?

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1/25/2022  6:16 PM
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:I’m hearing thibs name come up a lot now. Especially after yesterday’s game. Saying we are the dumbest team in the league. And it’s hard to disagree. We lack offensive creativity and IQ from the players to the coach.

And whose opinions are those coming from that it would make it worthwhile to make them relevant to pay attention to?

XM radio Justin something and a former nba player. Good show and great discussion on all teams especially the Knicks.

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1/25/2022  6:18 PM
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1/25/2022  6:24 PM
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:I’m hearing thibs name come up a lot now. Especially after yesterday’s game. Saying we are the dumbest team in the league. And it’s hard to disagree. We lack offensive creativity and IQ from the players to the coach.

And whose opinions are those coming from that it would make it worthwhile to make them relevant to pay attention to?

I believe Justin termine said it but the question is do you agree or disagree? Sounds like I hurt your feelings calling the team dumb. He used the word dumb I use the word IQ, which is what we lack on offense. And we lack creativity after timeouts.

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1/25/2022  6:26 PM
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martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:I’m hearing thibs name come up a lot now. Especially after yesterday’s game. Saying we are the dumbest team in the league. And it’s hard to disagree. We lack offensive creativity and IQ from the players to the coach.

And whose opinions are those coming from that it would make it worthwhile to make them relevant to pay attention to?

I believe Justin termine said it but the question is do you agree or disagree? Sounds like I hurt your feelings calling the team dumb. He used the word dumb I use the word IQ, which is what we lack on offense. And we lack creativity after timeouts.

Nothing we haven’t already talked about. What’s interesting is now the sports people are focused on thibs more than just Randle. About time

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1/25/2022  6:37 PM
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martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:I’m hearing thibs name come up a lot now. Especially after yesterday’s game. Saying we are the dumbest team in the league. And it’s hard to disagree. We lack offensive creativity and IQ from the players to the coach.

And whose opinions are those coming from that it would make it worthwhile to make them relevant to pay attention to?

I believe Justin termine said it but the question is do you agree or disagree? Sounds like I hurt your feelings calling the team dumb. He used the word dumb I use the word IQ, which is what we lack on offense. And we lack creativity after timeouts.

I'd like to know how you differentiate between a badly drawn up play by the coach and a poorly executed one by the players. Cause that happens to every coach and every team. This is not rocket science man.

But really, you don't participate in back and forths very well. You shy away from answering any direct questions and avoid by responding to something in tangent that misses all the marks. I have no interest in that type of discussion.

If you'd like to level up, do so. Hurt my feelings? Come on man

I'll give you another chance, try this one:

martin wrote:blkexec, here is another direct question for you.

I think you mentioned you played D1 ball but correct me if I am wrong, so you may have experience in this area.

If a coach randomly decided to bench a starter for the 13th or 14th or 15th guy on the bench who has not earned his minutes, what does that typically do to the lockeroom and guys who that 13th-15th guy jumped over without earning those minutes?

You have repeatedly suggested that you would jump the 13th man on Knicks roster to the starting position in regards to Deuce.

What downward effect could that bring about if it doesn't work out?

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1/25/2022  7:33 PM
I’m not avoiding your questions. I answer them in long responses because I’m on my phone 80% of the time and it’s difficult to use with my thumbs as a keyboard. Because your questions is never 1 word answers.

I think you mentioned you played D1 ball but correct me if I am wrong, so you may have experience in this area.

I did not play D1 ball….I played HS ball and college intramurals sports against college players. I’m a late bloomer who was invited to an nba came in my late 20’s when I started playing on a pro and semi pro leagues with players that was eventually drafted or nba players in the off season. That’s when I used to say the Knicks is missing a guard like me. Which is why I like grimes. He’s similar to my game.

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1/25/2022  7:51 PM
If a coach randomly decided to bench a starter for the 13th or 14th or 15th guy on the bench who has not earned his minutes, what does that typically do to the lockeroom and guys who that 13th-15th guy jumped over without earning those minutes?

I was invited to an nba camp but turned it down. I was making more money as an engineer than I would’ve been if I got picked up in the g league or overseas. With no college experience I didn’t feel like it was worth riding the bench in some country when my wife and son are home plus I was getting paid decently. Young mechanical engineer.

I answered this but not to your liking I guess. Deuce to me is the 3rd PG on the depth chart so I don’t look at it that way. Each position has a ranking of players. Also if the vets in front of him are injured I don’t see your point. If the vets are healthy and playing bad, some coaches will make a point to play the rookie and sit the vet. Just to make a point that if u don’t play my way, take the highway. But the rookie has to earn it in practice, which is what we can’t see and only assume. But it depends on the coach. If I’m playing bad and not playing defense I deserve to be benched. Moves like that wakes you up. Case in point see Kemba when he came back.

Now to your point if thibs believes IQ and Burks are PGs then he has to earn that starting spot and will start on the bench to earn it. He can’t jump over IQ and Burks. I just don’t see them as PGs. So I gave an answer based on my perspective. But to your point and Thibs old school approach, he has to beat out Kemba IQ Rose Burks before deuce even gets mins forget starting. Me wanting him to be a starter is my fan craze and liking for deuce. I believe he can be groomed long term as a permanent starter and he might be the missing link for the 2 way PG who doesn’t need or try to be on Randle level. He could be a good compliment. But so can IQ. Now if we talking about the SG or wing position, that’s loaded and damn near impossible for deuce. Half the team are wing players. But I see him as a PG which is a limited position on this team and easier to make an impact since Kemba is always hurt, rose hurt IQ os a shooting guard and so is Burks. Deuce comes off the bench as a backup and shines. My own story book tail. Not a reality but I’m aloud to dream.

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1/25/2022  8:03 PM
Also can’t compare D1 and the nba. More politics and money involved so the approach and strategy of a coach is different.
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1/25/2022  8:09 PM
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blkexec wrote:Run down the list of PGs on the team.
Kemba - we tried him and it didn’t work. Next PG
Rose - he’s hurt next PG
Deuce - he’s the next man up on the PG chart

Where’s the negative impact?

You can say IQ is ahead of deuce, fine. Even though IQ came in the league with less PG experience than Deuce. But I’m ok with IQ or deuce starting.

But deuce starting is not jumping over anybody because there’s only 3 PGs on the team. Lol

At the end of the day, what matters is not what you or I think. To this point, an experienced Coach does not agree with you. May be because of things mentioned above.

As mentioned, I will be rooting for the kid if he does.

Wrong. If the only thing that matter is what the coach think, then ultimateknicks would not be here. It’s created for a reason. Gives fans a voice an outlet. If that’s the case, you can reply to everybody’s post with the same response. That’s boring. With these forums we get to play coach or play GM. Without that there’s no BRIGGS. 😜

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1/25/2022  9:04 PM
blkexec wrote:Also can’t compare D1 and the nba. More politics and money involved so the approach and strategy of a coach is different.

It’s a little bit different now. More players are staying in college longer. It’s not like the early 2000’s when anyone who stayed in college after his freshman year was considered undraftable

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1/26/2022  10:08 AM
blkexec wrote:
If a coach randomly decided to bench a starter for the 13th or 14th or 15th guy on the bench who has not earned his minutes, what does that typically do to the lockeroom and guys who that 13th-15th guy jumped over without earning those minutes?

I was invited to an nba camp but turned it down. I was making more money as an engineer than I would’ve been if I got picked up in the g league or overseas. With no college experience I didn’t feel like it was worth riding the bench in some country when my wife and son are home plus I was getting paid decently. Young mechanical engineer.

I answered this but not to your liking I guess. Deuce to me is the 3rd PG on the depth chart so I don’t look at it that way. Each position has a ranking of players. Also if the vets in front of him are injured I don’t see your point. If the vets are healthy and playing bad, some coaches will make a point to play the rookie and sit the vet. Just to make a point that if u don’t play my way, take the highway. But the rookie has to earn it in practice, which is what we can’t see and only assume. But it depends on the coach. If I’m playing bad and not playing defense I deserve to be benched. Moves like that wakes you up. Case in point see Kemba when he came back.

Now to your point if thibs believes IQ and Burks are PGs then he has to earn that starting spot and will start on the bench to earn it. He can’t jump over IQ and Burks. I just don’t see them as PGs. So I gave an answer based on my perspective. But to your point and Thibs old school approach, he has to beat out Kemba IQ Rose Burks before deuce even gets mins forget starting. Me wanting him to be a starter is my fan craze and liking for deuce. I believe he can be groomed long term as a permanent starter and he might be the missing link for the 2 way PG who doesn’t need or try to be on Randle level. He could be a good compliment. But so can IQ. Now if we talking about the SG or wing position, that’s loaded and damn near impossible for deuce. Half the team are wing players. But I see him as a PG which is a limited position on this team and easier to make an impact since Kemba is always hurt, rose hurt IQ os a shooting guard and so is Burks. Deuce comes off the bench as a backup and shines. My own story book tail. Not a reality but I’m aloud to dream.

Thanks for this reply and the others. I didn't mean to pry into your personal story, just wanted to know or confirm what level of ball you had been exposed to but the details are fantastic. It must be incredible to get that type of opportunity.

I can get behind a crazed fan who is realistically only taking on his own perspective about what he would do. I was trying to take on what Thib's or any coaches realistic perspective and the additional responsibilities they have to manage and undertake. I would only add, if you don't take on Thib's and the realistic approach of what we think is going on with the team, it'll be lacking in the real world of things, but we know that and don't care from a Bing Bonger's perspective.

And I think you probably understand this: I am asking you questions that I think you and I both already know the answers to. For instance, in the NBA if you elevate McBride from barely playing to starter, it'll ruin lockeroom and make for very unhappy players and you are pretty much ruining any type of culture you try to establish and probably your own career. This is their livelihood. In a vacuum, I'd love to see more McBride and Jericho play over Taj but it ain't happening; ding Thibs as much as you want but no coach makes that type of elevation (outside of dire injury and COVID situations) from high level high school through college and upwards. You and I and just about everyone else who has played on a team environment knows this.

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1/26/2022  10:19 AM
I would add: it's hard to constantly ask "Why doesnt Thibs just do this?!?" while purposely ignoring his perspective and only caring about what your perspective is.

But that OK too if you just a Bing Bonger crazed fan

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1/26/2022  10:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2022  10:49 AM
blkexec wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
blkexec wrote:Run down the list of PGs on the team.
Kemba - we tried him and it didn’t work. Next PG
Rose - he’s hurt next PG
Deuce - he’s the next man up on the PG chart

Where’s the negative impact?

You can say IQ is ahead of deuce, fine. Even though IQ came in the league with less PG experience than Deuce. But I’m ok with IQ or deuce starting.

But deuce starting is not jumping over anybody because there’s only 3 PGs on the team. Lol

At the end of the day, what matters is not what you or I think. To this point, an experienced Coach does not agree with you. May be because of things mentioned above.

As mentioned, I will be rooting for the kid if he does.

Wrong. If the only thing that matter is what the coach think, then ultimateknicks would not be here. It’s created for a reason. Gives fans a voice an outlet. If that’s the case, you can reply to everybody’s post with the same response. That’s boring. With these forums we get to play coach or play GM. Without that there’s no BRIGGS. 😜

Agreed. The forum is to talk about fan ideas and what YOU think. But you still have to have valid arguments and take realistic factors into account. Or else we would just be talking about unicorns. I thought we were speaking on practical reasons why Thibs has not started Deuce. Several REAL life considerations were mentioned.

Btw, as you mentioned in another post, in terms of wanting Deuce to be developed. IMO, he is being developed quite well. As you have mentioned, he is doing well in the G League. Where he is improving his skills at the PG position against other NBA hopefuls. Also, young players are sometimes thrown in too early and fail, which actually hurts their development, confidence, and chances to make it in the NBA. Feel Since Deuce is developing nicely, the best time to work him in is not in the middle of a very testy/challenging time for the Knicks. Which holds a lot of pressure to win. Best is to wait to see how this season pans out and then start getting him some reps once the year seems lost.

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1/26/2022  3:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2022  3:56 PM
martin wrote:I would add: it's hard to constantly ask "Why doesnt Thibs just do this?!?" while purposely ignoring his perspective and only caring about what your perspective is.

But that OK too if you just a Bing Bonger crazed fan

I guess that makes me a bing bing fan, just not a over the top as some. I’m more low key.

I actually enjoy playing GM or playing coach. We get to make wild transactions and don’t give a crap about reality. The isssue is when fans confuse their fantasy from reality. Even now I feel like I can build a team better than some of these GMs. With my GM skills in basketball leagues. It’s very impressive. That part is just scouting and understanding how to put different skills together. And yes I know a GM does more than that. But that’s the only part I like. Start with a clean slate. Let me scout the league 1 year and I will garauntee we make it to the championship next year, but that’s when I was playing and being the gm at the same time. 49 and I can still go, just not like I used to.

But I don’t want coach thibs job, I just want to sit back and give him the players he need to win long term and short term. And I believe that’s what Leon rose has done well, based on what was available. Just hasn’t met expectations (his own or fans). U would think last year was the base but it looks like the ceiling for certain stats like 3pt shooting. I can understand the wins and loses but how can Randles 3pt percentage drop from 40 to 30% by adding 2 offensive players? I believe if him and RJ stayed at 40% we would be a different team right now.

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