wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

I don't think you understand the situation at all, what you are saying is nonsense.

wargames wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

I don't think you understand the situation at all, what you are saying is nonsense.

Agreed. Just to reiterate, it’s a financial maneuver teams use to get assets for when their Free agents want to go to another team that is over the salary cap. We do have the assets for S&T with Fournier being the most obvious player to send out. It works because the Knicks are over the salary cap and Sexton and Brunson want new contracts.

Fournier for Sexton actually helps both teams. The Cavs need outside shooting to have a good lineup that isn’t 3 big reliant. Fournier would likely be a starter there and let them go with a traditional lineup of two bigs. Garland becoming so good means they definitely don’t want to pay Sexton anything. Plus Sexton was basically looking to leave before he got injured and after missing a season $20 Mil is a very fair price for Sexton who wanted more pre-injury. He isn’t great now, and I was against trading a first for him but he is another sneaky upside guy if we’re sending Fournier out.

Brunson is a bit harder to see happening for the Mavs except that Timmy and Bullock are not playing well. So Fournier could fight for their starter spot, and they definitely want that 2023 pick back. When they traded it to the Knicks it wasn’t the expanded draft. That was 2022 but Covid pushed it back a year. It’s going to be full of talent similar to 2021 another draft they missed out on. Flipside I really think they want to keep Brunson, they’ve been looking for a PG that fits with Luka since he was drafted.

If Mavs know Brunson doesn't want to sign there, I think :

Fournier and their 1st back

for:

Bullock, Brunson and Frank or Moses Brown (one of the latter two to make up the salary)

OR

Fournier and Mitch (if Knicks don't want to re-sign Mitch)

for:

Bullock, Brunson and whatever salary filling bum

is reasonable for both sides. Maybe getting Bullock back will help get Randle's head back in the game (his best buddy last year)

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:Brunson is not available. He is basically starting on the Mavs. Unless you want to give RJ for Brunson. The best deal for the Knicks and it makes a whole lot of sense is Randle for Simmons.

Brunson is an impending free agent. His ties to the Knicks aren’t a secret. He would have no issues forcing his way here. I could buy the argument he’s not available if his contract wasn’t about to expire. Barrett isn’t needed. I say obi, Kemba and the Dallas first for Brunson and either Bullock or Powell would do it. Brunson is 25 and it’s no secret his skillset being able to play on or off the ball would work well.

In the end we got Brunson without giving up RJ, or even giving Dallas their pick back. The Mitchell chaos clouded things, but I would say this offseason was a huge success with Brunson alone. He was acquired coming off a great playoff run without trading much to clear up the space for him. Huge win for the front office that is being overlooked for obvious reasons. Hoping the season proves we got this right for once.

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

Looks like the Monopoly money show went on anyway.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

Looks like the Monopoly money show went on anyway.

All it took was 7 different trades including trading the #11 overall pick this year

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

Looks like the Monopoly money show went on anyway.

All it took was 7 different trades including trading the #11 overall pick this year

Knicks traded the 11th pick for 3 future first round picks and used spare parts to clear space for Brunson. Context is key.

When you want to bash facts aren’t useful.

I actually wonder if the reason everyone is slimming down and working on their handle is to be better equipped to run a 4 man out offense and need speed to beat their man in a foot race to the basket.

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

Looks like the Monopoly money show went on anyway.

All it took was 7 different trades including trading the #11 overall pick this year

Knicks traded the 11th pick for 3 future first round picks and used spare parts to clear space for Brunson. Context is key.

When you want to bash facts aren’t useful.

Those picks are protected in a way the only one that might be a guarantee is the Bucks 2025 pick. They didn’t get those picks to draft, they probably got them to trade and Ainge showed his opinion on them. Getting Brunson cost a lot and I am hoping it factors in to the league not punishing the Knicks. Unlike Philly which seems to have a lot of hush/hush under the table money agreements going on.

I don't think you have a good grasp of the details of the picks? Not sure how you come to that conclusion.

Yeah this is very off. And the only way someone can conclude that getting Brunson cost “a lot” is if that person has a very high opinion of Kemba, Burks or Noel.

wargames wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

Looks like the Monopoly money show went on anyway.

All it took was 7 different trades including trading the #11 overall pick this year

Knicks traded the 11th pick for 3 future first round picks and used spare parts to clear space for Brunson. Context is key.

When you want to bash facts aren’t useful.

Those picks are protected in a way the only one that might be a guarantee is the Bucks 2025 pick. They didn’t get those picks to draft, they probably got them to trade and Ainge showed his opinion on them. Getting Brunson cost a lot and I am hoping it factors in to the league not punishing the Knicks. Unlike Philly which seems to have a lot of hush/hush under the table money agreements going on.

I don't think you have a good grasp of the details of the picks? Not sure how you come to that conclusion.

Yeah this is very off. And the only way someone can conclude that getting Brunson cost “a lot” is if that person has a very high opinion of Kemba, Burks or Noel.

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https://twitter.com/JCMacriNBA/status/1571880509919186944

I do not think those teams improve enough that those picks convey outside of the bucks. Detroit is really young and and will need to continue to be bad and draft well. The Wizards are a smart decision from tanking themselves. People say the Knicks are a treadmill team but the Wizards are the definition of it. IF they are smart they will be sellers this year and try to get a good young pieces to put next to Beal to try and attract another star in 2024. I am not even being facetious the wizards are the number #1 team in my book that should break their roster down. They have Beal and nothing else.

All those picks are good trade filler but not great filler. The Knicks should attach them to Fournier and get a younger piece to sign long term.

Honestly this team has really good depth. Drafting too many players aren’t going to help us and I actually think pick #11 will be one of the higher picks the Knicks get in the immediate future. This team is a playoff chasing and they might actually pull it off.

Here is a better representation of the Detroit and Washington picks: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2023 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York

2023 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

wargames wrote:

Philc1 wrote:If we keep losing games with Kemba and his noodle knee and Burks self destructing at PG I can see Westbrook coming here

Why though? It’s not worth the headache. Once you accept this season isn’t going to go well trading for Westbrook to make next season bad makes no sense. It’s only making things worse for a longer period.

In FA we could look to make a move on a PG two targets is Brunson or Sexton through S&T. Sexton especially might be gettable because the Cavs really don’t have a SG and Garland and Okoro make Sexton pointless. Another move would be to offer Fournier and the Mavs 2023 pick for Brunson in a S&T this summer. I hate to give that pick up, but those are both two scenarios only possible in the summer through S&T.

Westbrook is playing like trash now that he isn’t a Uber athlete and I love seeing him mess us the smug Lebron and Lakers plans. The Knicks need to stay the heck away from that situation. We’re not gifting Lebron Shumpert and JR Smith for two seconds again.

We aren’t under cap what are we signing these guys with Monopoly money?

It’s a Sign and Trade I call it S&T for short. Basically their teams sign them for say 20 Million and then trade them immediately to the Knicks for Fournier’s $17 Million contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal

The last time I think the Knicks did one was David Lee, but we was sending the newly signed guy out
https://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

We can send multiple guys out but only could get Sexton or Brunson back in return. I think Sexton would be very gettable from the Cavs. They don’t really want him and could use Fournier. The Mavs for Brunson to a lesser degree, but you know they want that 2023 pick back.

We don’t have the assets to get these guys in a sign and trade unless you want to include RJ and Mitch as part of a package and that’s a showstopper

Brunson you might be able to get if you also agree to take on KP’s crappy contract. Cuban is so desperate to get rid of him he might offer us that but No thanks.

Looks like the Monopoly money show went on anyway.

All it took was 7 different trades including trading the #11 overall pick this year

You're not getting trolled when your **** is wrong.