VDesai wrote:Why does it matter? We didn't have a chance to draft Morant. We just need to be concerned with getting the bast out of Barrett. He still has a lot of upside for the Knicks

And just like that RJ shows us his 2 way potential. He will become a strong 2 way playmaker and eventually an all star.

blkexec wrote:

VDesai wrote:Why does it matter? We didn't have a chance to draft Morant. We just need to be concerned with getting the bast out of Barrett. He still has a lot of upside for the Knicks

And just like that RJ shows us his 2 way potential. He will become a strong 2 way playmaker and eventually an all star.

We really need him to play like that more often

RJ is a nice player, glad he is in a Knicks uni but I would not be upset at all if the Knicks moved him for a capable, legit NBA starting PG.

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I wanted Mills to move heaven and earth on draft night to grab this guy..like RJ + 3 future 1st rounders (obi, grimes)

Not only would we have a franchise player, it would have solved our PG issues for the next 10 yrs.

My question is do you think RJ has the potential to be a 21/7/4 player in this system under this coach.

With Randle being our primarily ball handler in this slow system, i just don't see it happening. They will have some good games together against certain teams, but not on a consistent bases.

If Fox and Haliburton are available, I'm willing to sacrifice Rj for one of them, I think FOX will be an All star before RJ, and he's probably the only PG that can take the ball out of Randle's hand for the most part.

Let me ask you, do you think Ja will ever be on RJ level?

Do we have an RJ problem or a thibs offensive system problem?

Ja will never be 6’6 with nba strength and agility to guard 3 positions.

Thibs offensive issues is as old as thibs career. We know the problem, what’s your solution? Ja was picked 2nd, was there a trade scenario you would like to share that mills should’ve did? Again, we know the problems, what we don’t have are solutions.

And comparing a PG in an offensive friendly system with better supporting cast members is a waste of time to me. RJ doesn’t have to have Ja stat line to help us win games.

I only used JA because they were in the same draft, but my overall point was are you willing to sacrifice RJ for Fox or Haliburton

Thibs system does not benefit RJ...just like MDA's system didn't benefit Melo

Jah Morant the player of the week. Momentum carried him to the topic of conversation. Has he been inconsistent in the NBA? A bit. Kid is incredible and maybe Mills did make a reasonable offer to move up a spot. Maybe not. Remember we Had fiz JR’s rookie year. Remember most rookies are inconsistant. If consistantly bad its not gonna happen. When you see flashes of high upside you see its there. Half full.

Lets bring randle into the convo. One theory is he is trying to be last nights Randle more and is having a hard time with it. Hear me out, last year was his ceiling and he carried the team. We bring in EF and Kemba and team struggles. He got paid. Not max money, but good money. We fell in love with him. “We Here”! His kid. The pregnant wife, etc. All good stuff. NY fans as they do should be booing the performance a bit than the man but things get out of hand. He is frustrated, he retort’s as he should not have. Back to roles, Randle is not a full carry the team on his back kind of player but he can at times. We seen it. We did not pay him as one. He has to involve RJ and EF and get them going. Add Kemba. Yes, RJ was here last year but at the 2 guard and was not as important to the offense. If Knicks are to let him him grow he needs more touches and he is gtting them. He is doing just fine but inconsistant. Thats ok as long as he trends higher. He is 21.
Obi is 24 in March. I hold him to a different standard.
Some of us think RJ should be better after 2.5 seasons? Thats an eternity in NYC Knick world.

For now Teams are not letting randle beat them but letting RJ. They have to respect him. If so, EF gets looks. EF can kill a team. We have three offensive weapons. Randle is dealing with that. New and more grown up RJ, EF and himself. And the Chemistry to get it going falls on him for now.
He has to handle the Bo birds and move forward. Team evolves as he does.

Spectatular athletes like Jah, westbrook, and Kyrie are unicorns and fun to watch. they can be not so durable and comes with a high risk/reward. Have to draft them. Paying full retail at their peak can be a disaster if they get injured. true with all players but I said “high reward/high risk”.

My Floor on RJ is Igudala. Ceiling is perhaps a mix of Donovan mitchel/joe Johnson/adrian Dantly person. Not lighting quick but durable and strong. Joe was a shooter. Dantly at 6-4 was a beast inside (in a differnet era mind you). Him being 21 is not an excuse, its an opportunity. He is not close to a finished product.

If we talking chemistry, OBI needs a Jah type guard in a quick pace. I do think a core OBI plus trade for Haliburton is a natural trade idea. Fox can feed him well with that pace. Thats not equal value proposition but it fits the personalities of the respected teams. Our second team suffers and I have not solutions. IQ and ObI gets it done? Maybe we expand the trade further

Now what was it about Haliburton that we and other teams passed drafting him?

VDesai wrote:Why does it matter? We didn't have a chance to draft Morant. We just need to be concerned with getting the bast out of Barrett. He still has a lot of upside for the Knicks

This.

My buddy who is an angry Knicks hater the other day starts gloating about how much better Ja Morant is. I was like “yeah, if the Knicks could draft him they would have.” Then he’s like why didn’t you guys trade up?

foosballnick wrote:

Clean wrote:RJ really did look like a star tonight. If he can ever find consistency and can play like this more often we are golden.

On a random note, I opened up a post game thread on another Knicks forum and the first couple of posts was them rejoicing that someone named NYKMentality was suspended by mods. It should have been obvious but he is probably a troll. So I will now treat him as such. Maybe that is why he seems to have taken the tonight off here. Got suspended elsewhere and just called it a night.

IMO RJ has a very good ability to get to the rim using a combo of his strength and craftiness. The main issue I see is that while he gets to the rim, his finishing skills however tend to leave me frustrated and often wanting more. Sometimes he just throws it up or makes a questionable decision against a superior shot blocker for instance. If somehow he can fix his finishing issues which also means drawing more fouls inside - it may mean 3 or 4 more baskets a night plus extra foul shots on average which would bring him to plus 20ppg.

If we had big men that could space the floor the lane would be much more open.

Last night i seen RJ driving to the basket and almost ran into Mitch's back just below the FT line, he literally had to pivot and go around mitch for an awkward lay up.

It's so frustrating to watch because it happens when any of our players try and drive, and some want to know why our players don't dump it off to him on drives, he makes it so difficult to do that because the spacing is non existing.

OBi is not even a decent perimeter shooter, but you never see him camping out in the paint, and at least he tries to shoot, runs the floor hard for easy buckets, and i don't see any of that from mitch.

knicks1248 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Clean wrote:RJ really did look like a star tonight. If he can ever find consistency and can play like this more often we are golden.

On a random note, I opened up a post game thread on another Knicks forum and the first couple of posts was them rejoicing that someone named NYKMentality was suspended by mods. It should have been obvious but he is probably a troll. So I will now treat him as such. Maybe that is why he seems to have taken the tonight off here. Got suspended elsewhere and just called it a night.

IMO RJ has a very good ability to get to the rim using a combo of his strength and craftiness. The main issue I see is that while he gets to the rim, his finishing skills however tend to leave me frustrated and often wanting more. Sometimes he just throws it up or makes a questionable decision against a superior shot blocker for instance. If somehow he can fix his finishing issues which also means drawing more fouls inside - it may mean 3 or 4 more baskets a night plus extra foul shots on average which would bring him to plus 20ppg.

If we had big men that could space the floor the lane would be much more open.

Last night i seen RJ driving to the basket and almost ran into Mitch's back just below the FT line, he literally had to pivot and go around mitch for an awkward lay up.

It's so frustrating to watch because it happens when any of our players try and drive, and some want to know why our players don't dump it off to him on drives, he makes it so difficult to do that because the spacing is non existing.

OBi is not even a decent perimeter shooter, but you never see him camping out in the paint, and at least he tries to shoot, runs the floor hard for easy buckets, and i don't see any of that from mitch.

Yeah, I saw that with Randle on one play. Mitch cut into the paint and looked at Randle with hands open. Randle wanted that block to himself and it caused Randle to turn the ball over. So I agree with the negatives on Mitch. But I can also list the same number of positives that 3 pt shooting bigs can’t do but mitch can.

As long as thibs is the coach save your energy. Thibs likes rim protectors. And so do I. I also like to have that big who u can throw a lob too after penetrating the paint. Mitch got to the free throw line a lot which put the team in the penalty. Turner ain’t doing that. Lopez ain’t doing that hanging around the 3 pt line. Mitch got some offensive rebounds which led to extra possessions. Turner and Lopez ain’t doing that. So yes Mitch has limitations but so does ever jump shooting 7 fter. The worst thing about 3pt shooting big like Cleveland’s PF Mark something. When their shot isn’t falling they are worthless. U cant impact the game as a big guy missing 3pt shots. What Mitch needs is a face up mid range game. Even Noel has that. And Noah as well, thibs favorite center. But Mitch brings so much more to the game that doesn’t show up in the stat sheet.

foosballnick wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:No. Ja is already in "All-Star" status

RJ is a nice player, glad he is in a Knicks uni but I would not be upset at all if the Knicks moved him for a capable, legit NBA starting PG.

Curious as to who you would trade RJ for?

A straight up trade for most players wouldn't work because of contracts but those still on the rookie scale....

LaMelo Ball
Ja Morant
Tyrese Haliburton

Clean wrote:RJ really did look like a star tonight. If he can ever find consistency and can play like this more often we are golden.

On a random note, I opened up a post game thread on another Knicks forum and the first couple of posts was them rejoicing that someone named NYKMentality was suspended by mods. It should have been obvious but he is probably a troll. So I will now treat him as such. Maybe that is why he seems to have taken the tonight off here. Got suspended elsewhere and just called it a night.

Nalod wrote:Has anyone looked at Fox’s contract? $160mil over the next 5 years. Thats a lot more than Randle! RJ will bet getting paid.
Thats another subject but Fox worth 28mil now, goes to 37mil in 5 years.

Then there is what your giving up for him. Im not sure this is a good idea.

Plus trading big for small is rarely smart.