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knicks1248
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1/7/2022  9:19 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
VDesai wrote:Just play him vs Boston!

Yeah whats the deal with that? Is the guy unmotivated to play everyone else?

Boston actually wanted him back for a few bucks less than the knicks offered, so why does he feel the need to explode only against them

He needs to get his sht together and starting playing like that on a consistent basis.

It's ridiculous that he has that capability and be coming out playing like trash 4 out of every 5 games

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1/7/2022  11:06 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
VDesai wrote:Just play him vs Boston!

Yeah whats the deal with that? Is the guy unmotivated to play everyone else?

Boston actually wanted him back for a few bucks less than the knicks offered, so why does he feel the need to explode only against them

He needs to get his sht together and starting playing like that on a consistent basis.

It's ridiculous that he has that capability and be coming out playing like trash 4 out of every 5 games

Maybe he just understands the weaknesses of that roster and how to exploit them? A lot of the same players from last year's roster are back this year.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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1/7/2022  11:20 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
VDesai wrote:Just play him vs Boston!

Yeah whats the deal with that? Is the guy unmotivated to play everyone else?

Boston actually wanted him back for a few bucks less than the knicks offered, so why does he feel the need to explode only against them

He needs to get his sht together and starting playing like that on a consistent basis.

It's ridiculous that he has that capability and be coming out playing like trash 4 out of every 5 games

Maybe he just understands the weaknesses of that roster and how to exploit them? A lot of the same players from last year's roster are back this year.

Ha, if "understands the weaknesses of that roster" means making all of his 3 pointers, I'll take it.

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1/7/2022  11:25 AM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
VDesai wrote:Just play him vs Boston!

Yeah whats the deal with that? Is the guy unmotivated to play everyone else?

Boston actually wanted him back for a few bucks less than the knicks offered, so why does he feel the need to explode only against them

He needs to get his sht together and starting playing like that on a consistent basis.

It's ridiculous that he has that capability and be coming out playing like trash 4 out of every 5 games

Maybe he just understands the weaknesses of that roster and how to exploit them? A lot of the same players from last year's roster are back this year.

Ha, if "understands the weaknesses of that roster" means making all of his 3 pointers, I'll take it.


Anyway....I apologize for LMAO at the joke about him being a Covid variant. LEAVE EVAN ALONE! I don't want hear any complaining when the fans boo and responds by walking by center court and dropping a McBride.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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1/7/2022  12:00 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
VDesai wrote:Just play him vs Boston!

Yeah whats the deal with that? Is the guy unmotivated to play everyone else?

Boston actually wanted him back for a few bucks less than the knicks offered, so why does he feel the need to explode only against them

He needs to get his sht together and starting playing like that on a consistent basis.

It's ridiculous that he has that capability and be coming out playing like trash 4 out of every 5 games

Maybe he just understands the weaknesses of that roster and how to exploit them? A lot of the same players from last year's roster are back this year.

nah dude, his actions look like revenge, but i think after he hit a couple clutch shots his teammates started looking for him.

He had a much higher usage rate with h-i's previous teams and maybe he just isn't getting enough touches or PT to get into a rhythm.

we are 6-1 we he score 20 or more

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1/7/2022  12:03 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
VDesai wrote:Just play him vs Boston!

Yeah whats the deal with that? Is the guy unmotivated to play everyone else?

Boston actually wanted him back for a few bucks less than the knicks offered, so why does he feel the need to explode only against them

He needs to get his sht together and starting playing like that on a consistent basis.

It's ridiculous that he has that capability and be coming out playing like trash 4 out of every 5 games

Maybe he just understands the weaknesses of that roster and how to exploit them? A lot of the same players from last year's roster are back this year.

Ha, if "understands the weaknesses of that roster" means making all of his 3 pointers, I'll take it.


Anyway....I apologize for LMAO at the joke about him being a Covid variant. LEAVE EVAN ALONE! I don't want hear any complaining when the fans boo and responds by walking by center court and dropping a McBride.

I hope he drops another 40 points tomorrow and we can "sell high".

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1/7/2022  1:06 PM
Contract would be a steal ..................................If we played BOS like 70 times a year , outside of playing BOS he has been str8 up garbage
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1/7/2022  1:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2022  1:07 PM
Panos wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
VDesai wrote:Just play him vs Boston!

Yeah whats the deal with that? Is the guy unmotivated to play everyone else?

Boston actually wanted him back for a few bucks less than the knicks offered, so why does he feel the need to explode only against them

He needs to get his sht together and starting playing like that on a consistent basis.

It's ridiculous that he has that capability and be coming out playing like trash 4 out of every 5 games

Maybe he just understands the weaknesses of that roster and how to exploit them? A lot of the same players from last year's roster are back this year.

Ha, if "understands the weaknesses of that roster" means making all of his 3 pointers, I'll take it.


Anyway....I apologize for LMAO at the joke about him being a Covid variant. LEAVE EVAN ALONE! I don't want hear any complaining when the fans boo and responds by walking by center court and dropping a McBride.

I hope he drops another 40 points tomorrow and we can "sell high".


YOU DON'T DESERVE EVAN FOURNIER!!!You deserve Frank Ntilikina, Fredrick Weiss, Ronny Turiaf and Joakim Noah 😤
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1/7/2022  1:08 PM
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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1/7/2022  1:41 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
VDesai wrote:Just play him vs Boston!

Yeah whats the deal with that? Is the guy unmotivated to play everyone else?

Boston actually wanted him back for a few bucks less than the knicks offered, so why does he feel the need to explode only against them

He needs to get his sht together and starting playing like that on a consistent basis.

It's ridiculous that he has that capability and be coming out playing like trash 4 out of every 5 games

Maybe he just understands the weaknesses of that roster and how to exploit them? A lot of the same players from last year's roster are back this year.

Ha, if "understands the weaknesses of that roster" means making all of his 3 pointers, I'll take it.


Anyway....I apologize for LMAO at the joke about him being a Covid variant. LEAVE EVAN ALONE! I don't want hear any complaining when the fans boo and responds by walking by center court and dropping a McBride.

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1/7/2022  1:44 PM
Seriously, what is his grievance against Boston? Did he really want to be there that much?
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1/7/2022  1:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2022  1:55 PM
smackeddog wrote:Seriously, what is his grievance against Boston? Did he really want to be there that much?

Evan Fournier reportedly agreed to a deal with the New York Knicks, but his first choice was to remain with the Boston Celtics after ending last season with the team.

"That was my priority going into the summer," he said of re-signing with Boston, per Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe. "Because I knew the place. I talked to Brad (Stevens) and we couldn’t get a deal done, obviously. But I had my options. It wasn’t necessarily Boston only but I was more inclined to sign there because they traded for me and I felt good while I was there.

If We can get both Fournier and RJ to bump their avgs up to 17ppg we can be a serious threat in the east..

His defense will never be not even avg, so out scoring opponents is the approach we should be taking

Julius Randle and RJ Barrett represented the go-to options offensively for New York last season, and Fournier represents another weapon after averaging 17.1 points per game last season between the Celtics and Orlando Magic.
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1/7/2022  2:53 PM
Everyone is trying to find their way. He plays well when he can play a 2 man game with Randle and get open looks. When he hits a few he gains confidence and can hit from all spots. But they have to get him involved early. 1 to 15 on the Knicks have been hot and cold on outside shooting. Not one guy hitting consistently. But Fournier was the one paid the most to shoot
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1/7/2022  3:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2022  3:31 PM
EF is a volume shooter. He needs a lot of attempts, to catch his rhythm. Yesterday, he caught fire early and it was on. But when Kemba comes back, I don't think EF is a good 4th wheel. That's too many alpha dogs in front of him. EF and Randle was on, but RJ was off. Next game, Randle and RJ will be on, and EF off. It's very hard to get 3 volume shooters to all be hot at the same time. Then add in Kemba, who's another volume shooter and forget about it.

Golden State works because Klay is on another level. He comes out hot and doesn't need a lot of attempts to get going. Klay doesn't need to over dribble as well. He's a pure catch and shoot 3&D player. And thats what we need, a poor mans version of Klay. There's a lot of catch and shoot players in the league and in the draft. Grimes is a good example of a catch and shoot player. He might be that missing piece we need, once he gains more nba experience.

Plus, GS entire team focus on getting Klay going. Knicks need to treat EF the same way. Along with RJ. Randle will find his points and impact like he always has. Kemba will find his points as well, so I'm not worried about them. But RJ and EF will need help from the team to get going early. If EF and RJ are rolling, we are hard to beat. If EF and RJ are bricking, we can lose to a College / G league team. Its unfortunate, but thats how this team is built. If they are not hot from the jump, these two guys will continue to brick and force up shots, even when their shot is off. RJ can mix it up and drive to the hole. EF can as well, with his float game. But it seems like when these guys are hot early, our chances of winning goes up.

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1/7/2022  3:46 PM
blkexec wrote:EF is a volume shooter. He needs a lot of attempts, to catch his rhythm. Yesterday, he caught fire early and it was on. But when Kemba comes back, I don't think EF is a good 4th wheel. That's too many alpha dogs in front of him. EF and Randle was on, but RJ was off. Next game, Randle and RJ will be on, and EF off. It's very hard to get 3 volume shooters to all be hot at the same time. Then add in Kemba, who's another volume shooter and forget about it.

Golden State works because Klay is on another level. He comes out hot and doesn't need a lot of attempts to get going. Klay doesn't need to over dribble as well. He's a pure catch and shoot 3&D player. And thats what we need, a poor mans version of Klay. There's a lot of catch and shoot players in the league and in the draft. Grimes is a good example of a catch and shoot player. He might be that missing piece we need, once he gains more nba experience.

Plus, GS entire team focus on getting Klay going. Knicks need to treat EF the same way. Along with RJ. Randle will find his points and impact like he always has. Kemba will find his points as well, so I'm not worried about them. But RJ and EF will need help from the team to get going early. If EF and RJ are rolling, we are hard to beat. If EF and RJ are bricking, we can lose to a College / G league team. Its unfortunate, but thats how this team is built. If they are not hot from the jump, these two guys will continue to brick and force up shots, even when their shot is off. RJ can mix it up and drive to the hole. EF can as well, with his float game. But it seems like when these guys are hot early, our chances of winning goes up.

this sounds a lot like a bench player, something I think makes sense for him. He's not good defensively. He's much a play maker. Not a black hole but surely a guy who's game is built around getting his shot off. He should be in Burk's role last year. If he's missing its 16 minutes. If he's sniping (and often he was) its 30 minutes cause you are riding him in the 4th.
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1/7/2022  3:54 PM
I agree about Fournier - too inconsistent to start so he either moves to the bench or we package him to get rid of him. Sell high!

Assuming we can't get trade Fournier... would Dallas go for this? They seem to love our ex-players and Bullock has struggled so far in Dallas.


Burks, Noel, filler and Dallas #1 pick back for Bullock, Cauley-Stein, Jalen Brunson and filler (waive).

Again, I'd much prefer to dump Fournier on them but don't think anybody aside from the Celtics would be interested in Fournier right now.


Why (NY)?
We get Bullock back as our starting 3, RJ back to the 2 (natural position) and can live with exchange of Noel for Cauley-Stein. (Noel hasn't given us much this season due to injuries).

Fournier and Kemba go to the bench in better roles as they are brittle and inconsistent. Never bad to have more options on the bench.

Of course focus is landing J.Brunson who many here believe could be a great fit at PG.

Why (Dall)?
Noel has been hurt for us - but Dallas could use a more mobile big/shot blocker to pair with KP. Burks give them scoring that Bullock hasn't provided much this season. They prob do this as they can get their pick back (protect it top 5).

My top choice for PG (w/Randle) would be Haliburton but Brunson could be a decent option. Hoping Kemba's knees hold up and Fournier develops consistency this season seems unlikely to me.

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1/7/2022  4:24 PM
jskinny35 wrote:clip...

Why (NY)?
We get Bullock back as our starting 3, RJ back to the 2 (natural position) and can live with exchange of Noel for Cauley-Stein. (Noel hasn't given us much this season due to injuries).

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What makes SG RJ's natural position? I strongly disagree. I see him as a SF. He's tall and strong enough to be a SF and his shot is not good enough, nor is he fast enough to be a SG.

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1/7/2022  4:37 PM
He can use his strength when matched up against SG vs SF which are usually taller, stronger, etc... He only plays SF this season because Fournier couldn't guard Tatum's shadow, let alone most SGs due to their speed, quickness, length and strength. That's why Bullock guarded SF's last season and probably a reason why RJ performed better last season as he was matched up with smaller players (Tatum is like 6'8" with long arms btw). RJ needs to shoot better whether he's a 2 or a 3. Think Jimmy Butler type.
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1/7/2022  6:46 PM
jskinny35 wrote:I agree about Fournier - too inconsistent to start so he either moves to the bench or we package him to get rid of him. Sell high!

Assuming we can't get trade Fournier... would Dallas go for this? They seem to love our ex-players and Bullock has struggled so far in Dallas.


Burks, Noel, filler and Dallas #1 pick back for Bullock, Cauley-Stein, Jalen Brunson and filler (waive).

Again, I'd much prefer to dump Fournier on them but don't think anybody aside from the Celtics would be interested in Fournier right now.


Why (NY)?
We get Bullock back as our starting 3, RJ back to the 2 (natural position) and can live with exchange of Noel for Cauley-Stein. (Noel hasn't given us much this season due to injuries).

Fournier and Kemba go to the bench in better roles as they are brittle and inconsistent. Never bad to have more options on the bench.

Of course focus is landing J.Brunson who many here believe could be a great fit at PG.

Why (Dall)?
Noel has been hurt for us - but Dallas could use a more mobile big/shot blocker to pair with KP. Burks give them scoring that Bullock hasn't provided much this season. They prob do this as they can get their pick back (protect it top 5).

My top choice for PG (w/Randle) would be Haliburton but Brunson could be a decent option. Hoping Kemba's knees hold up and Fournier develops consistency this season seems unlikely to me.

Why would you want Bullock back as a starter? We saw how easy it was to cancel him out and to allow star guards to rest while defending him. I understand this year is not going well but I still would not make the same mistakes of the past[While also having a worse contract].

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1/7/2022  7:48 PM
jskinny35 wrote:He can use his strength when matched up against SG vs SF which are usually taller, stronger, etc... He only plays SF this season because Fournier couldn't guard Tatum's shadow, let alone most SGs due to their speed, quickness, length and strength. That's why Bullock guarded SF's last season and probably a reason why RJ performed better last season as he was matched up with smaller players (Tatum is like 6'8" with long arms btw). RJ needs to shoot better whether he's a 2 or a 3. Think Jimmy Butler type.

I want the SG for this team to be fast and a sniper. Neither of which is RJ

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