BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Some say R.J. Barrett has "failed to make the leap at 21 years old.

But at 25 years old it's been 7 years now and Turner has NEVER made a leap 😅🤣

Jets should draft Desmond Ridder

your shtick of mentioning Jets stuff or Elf just doesn't work at all. Ever

In fact, it's kind of tedious

Just trying to figure out how the suns are so successful while Elf rides pine. It’s impossible

The application of irrelevant sarcasm does not work.
If your taken serious, its moronic.
If its a stab at humor, it fails.
Either way it don’t work.

While it might not be original i think it's humorous enough. On a scale of one to 10, 10 being something that makes you burst out laughing,I think it's a solid 6

Elf on the shelf or we talking Elfred Payton lame deflection comments?

In France Fred Weis was a good player and Jerry Lewis was a comedic god. Perspective if all relative.
In my mind I rooting like hell for Kemba. But in a world were knicks are not better than last year (yet?) and we “Upgraded” from Elf to Walker, why are we not better?
Yes, there is lots of blame to go around. Elfred Payton is not a great player, and Thibs did not have better last year. Yet, his play was not the issue for the whole season. He tailed off. True. I get it. Nalod never has called for his return.
Or stream a jerry Lewis movie!

You might be stretching it a bit a there. How about rewording that to read "Fred Weis played pro basketball in France...and he was tall."

Lol. Didn’t Freddy Wei’s retire after Vince literally posterized him?

The asking price is t0o high just like it was for Sexton, and Leon is as conservative as it gets.

Leon said the knicks will still looked to be aggressive on the trade front, but that was a bold face lie.

He hasn't been aggressive at any point since he's gotten here, we have made some minor trades on draft night to move down in the draft, traded for Rose even though we were sitting on 30 mill in cap space all last season.

Kemba and Fournier were decent acquisitions, but lets be honest, Derozen and Ball would have been a more aggressive approach they just didn't want to shell out the extra $$$.

knicks1248 wrote:At this point the knicks interest in Turner is luke warm at best and it most like ain't happening.

The asking price is t0o high just like it was for Sexton, and Leon is as conservative as it gets.

Leon said the knicks will still looked to be aggressive on the trade front, but that was a bold face lie.

He hasn't been aggressive at any point since he's gotten here, we have made some minor trades on draft night to move down in the draft, traded for Rose even though we were sitting on 30 mill in cap space all last season.

Kemba and Fournier were decent acquisitions, but lets be honest, Derozen and Ball would have been a more aggressive approach they just didn't want to shell out the extra $$$.

I'm not sure those were the right moves to make w/I getting a real PG first. But I think DeRozan was set on going to LA, with Chicago as his fallback, before the season even ended. The Ball to Chicago deal was also at up before FA even started. I'm not sure I can say how aggressive Leon was in his pursuit.

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:At this point the knicks interest in Turner is luke warm at best and it most like ain't happening.

The asking price is t0o high just like it was for Sexton, and Leon is as conservative as it gets.

Leon said the knicks will still looked to be aggressive on the trade front, but that was a bold face lie.

He hasn't been aggressive at any point since he's gotten here, we have made some minor trades on draft night to move down in the draft, traded for Rose even though we were sitting on 30 mill in cap space all last season.

Kemba and Fournier were decent acquisitions, but lets be honest, Derozen and Ball would have been a more aggressive approach they just didn't want to shell out the extra $$$.

I'm not sure those were the right moves to make w/I getting a real PG first. But I think DeRozan was set on going to LA, with Chicago as his fallback, before the season even ended. The Ball to Chicago deal was also at up before FA even started. I'm not sure I can say how aggressive Leon was in his pursuit.

well to answer the bold

Turns out, according to two NBA sources, [Knicks GM Scott] Perry was leaning toward a bolder pursuit, that of San Antonio standout swingman DeMar DeRozan. According to the sources, DeRozan had sincere interest in the Knicks, but instead ended up with a generous deal in Chicago – a three-year, $85 million package. The Knicks inked [Evan] Fournier for four years, $78 million (with bonuses) while retaining a team option for the final season."

It was simply a more passive approach, but where i was wrong was thinking fournier was more on perry and Thibs than it was on Leon.

The Team friendly contracts given out this summer is a good and bad sign for this FO

The good is that you can expect them to not over pay for any player in the NBA, i don't care who it is.

The bad is majority of above avg players will always follow the money unless they get traded here, experience playing here like Randle any wants to re-up at a discount

"I felt like going to the Lakers was a done deal and that we were going to figure it out. I was going to come home," said DeRozan, a Compton, Calif. native. "The business side of things just didn't work out. A couple of things didn't align. It didn't work out. It's just part of the business, part of the game. My next option was definitely Chicago. So, looking back at it, it worked out well."

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Some say R.J. Barrett has "failed to make the leap at 21 years old.

But at 25 years old it's been 7 years now and Turner has NEVER made a leap 😅🤣

Jets should draft Desmond Ridder

your shtick of mentioning Jets stuff or Elf just doesn't work at all. Ever

In fact, it's kind of tedious

Just trying to figure out how the suns are so successful while Elf rides pine. It’s impossible

The application of irrelevant sarcasm does not work.
If your taken serious, its moronic.
If its a stab at humor, it fails.
Either way it don’t work.

While it might not be original i think it's humorous enough. On a scale of one to 10, 10 being something that makes you burst out laughing,I think it's a solid 6

Elf on the shelf or we talking Elfred Payton lame deflection comments?

In France Fred Weis was a good player and Jerry Lewis was a comedic god. Perspective if all relative.
In my mind I rooting like hell for Kemba. But in a world were knicks are not better than last year (yet?) and we “Upgraded” from Elf to Walker, why are we not better?
Yes, there is lots of blame to go around. Elfred Payton is not a great player, and Thibs did not have better last year. Yet, his play was not the issue for the whole season. He tailed off. True. I get it. Nalod never has called for his return.
Or stream a jerry Lewis movie!

You might be stretching it a bit a there. How about rewording that to read "Fred Weis played pro basketball in France...and he was tall."

Lol. Didn’t Freddy Wei’s retire after Vince literally posterized him?

I think he still played for a bit more, but he had issues with depression and was in a bad place. Not sure if they were Vince Carter dunk related.

The Carter dunk was a really big deal when it happened. It had never happened before in an actual game either nba or Olympics and was a big reason Carter became such a big international sports celebrity. It drove Weis crazy that he overnight became a worldwide joke for reasons other than being the bust the Knicks drafted over Ron Artest

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:At this point the knicks interest in Turner is luke warm at best and it most like ain't happening.

The asking price is t0o high just like it was for Sexton, and Leon is as conservative as it gets.

Leon said the knicks will still looked to be aggressive on the trade front, but that was a bold face lie.

He hasn't been aggressive at any point since he's gotten here, we have made some minor trades on draft night to move down in the draft, traded for Rose even though we were sitting on 30 mill in cap space all last season.

Kemba and Fournier were decent acquisitions, but lets be honest, Derozen and Ball would have been a more aggressive approach they just didn't want to shell out the extra $$$.

I'm not sure those were the right moves to make w/I getting a real PG first. But I think DeRozan was set on going to LA, with Chicago as his fallback, before the season even ended. The Ball to Chicago deal was also at up before FA even started. I'm not sure I can say how aggressive Leon was in his pursuit.

well to answer the bold

Turns out, according to two NBA sources, [Knicks GM Scott] Perry was leaning toward a bolder pursuit, that of San Antonio standout swingman DeMar DeRozan. According to the sources, DeRozan had sincere interest in the Knicks, but instead ended up with a generous deal in Chicago – a three-year, $85 million package. The Knicks inked [Evan] Fournier for four years, $78 million (with bonuses) while retaining a team option for the final season."

It was simply a more passive approach, but where i was wrong was thinking fournier was more on perry and Thibs than it was on Leon.

The Team friendly contracts given out this summer is a good and bad sign for this FO

The good is that you can expect them to not over pay for any player in the NBA, i don't care who it is.

The bad is majority of above avg players will always follow the money unless they get traded here, experience playing here like Randle any wants to re-up at a discount

Maybe they decided not to pursue after hearing back from Derozan's camo.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/demar-derozan-lakers-bulls-free-agency-deal/1ef1okj7ea5vd1u0tztmxgrxja

"I felt like going to the Lakers was a done deal and that we were going to figure it out. I was going to come home," said DeRozan, a Compton, Calif. native. "The business side of things just didn't work out. A couple of things didn't align. It didn't work out. It's just part of the business, part of the game. My next option was definitely Chicago. So, looking back at it, it worked out well."

Probably.

Perry once said they would not pursue players that don't absolutely want to be here.

I'm yet to see the current FO aggressively pursue any top tier players, or any player for the matter, and it's simply because they are not Maxing out any players..

Part of the reason KD didn't signed here was because they didn't want to guarantee that 4th yr, especially coming off those injuries.

I seriously doubt this FO will give up a 1st rnd pick for Myles, I think they are looking at OBI and some 2nd round picks, and INDI is seeking a 1st and some young potential stars

NYKMentality wrote:■ Myles Turner has season highs of 13 and 15 rebounds.

Mitchell Robinson has season highs of 17 and 18 rebounds.

■ Myles Turner has a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.5.

Mitchell Robinson has a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.7.

■ Myles Turner has season highs of 4 and 4 blocked shots.

Mitchell Robinson has season highs of 5 and 5 blocked shots.

Basketball is more than just scoring especially for Centers and I'd much rather sign Mitchell Robinson long term and continue watching him develop (2-3 years younger than Turner) rather than trading for Turner. A player who does NOT impact more than Robinson.

I think most people want Turner because of the fit. Our centers defender can help on Randle which is bad. That would not be the case with Turner because you have to respect his shot. Every NBA team is trying to get a stretch 5 for spacing. This is not a new concept.

HofstraBBall wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:■ Myles Turner has season highs of 13 and 15 rebounds.

Mitchell Robinson has season highs of 17 and 18 rebounds.

■ Myles Turner has a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.5.

Mitchell Robinson has a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.7.

■ Myles Turner has season highs of 4 and 4 blocked shots.

Mitchell Robinson has season highs of 5 and 5 blocked shots.

Basketball is more than just scoring especially for Centers and I'd much rather sign Mitchell Robinson long term and continue watching him develop (2-3 years younger than Turner) rather than trading for Turner. A player who does NOT impact more than Robinson.

Do think Miles is a much better offensive player. Actually shoots beyond one foot. Think you do have to take that into strong consideration when the time comes to make a long term decision. Will agree about Miles being older. And disagree about "we need him badly". In addition, hard to guarantee how he will fit.

For me, Miles is one of several examples in why the Knicks may choose to spend bigger money on other Center options. Miles is just one that seems available.

Still hope Mitch stays with us for many years though. Love his energy and athleticism. Think he is a big part of our success when playing well.

Cmon now, if Myles was this team you would not be hoping the knicks traded him for mitch...

The only reason mitch gets love around here is because we drafted him and his contract is peanuts.

I can think of 28 centers in this league that would be a better fit on this roster in this system than MR

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:; Myles Turner has season highs of 13 and 15 rebounds.

Mitchell Robinson has season highs of 17 and 18 rebounds.

; Myles Turner has a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.5.

Mitchell Robinson has a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.7.

; Myles Turner has season highs of 4 and 4 blocked shots.

Mitchell Robinson has season highs of 5 and 5 blocked shots.

Basketball is more than just scoring especially for Centers and I'd much rather sign Mitchell Robinson long term and continue watching him develop (2-3 years younger than Turner) rather than trading for Turner. A player who does NOT impact more than Robinson.

Do think Miles is a much better offensive player. Actually shoots beyond one foot. Think you do have to take that into strong consideration when the time comes to make a long term decision. Will agree about Miles being older. And disagree about & ;we need him badly. In addition, hard to guarantee how he will fit.

For me, Miles is one of several examples in why the Knicks may choose to spend bigger money on other Center options. Miles is just one that seems available.

Still hope Mitch stays with us for many years though. Love his energy and athleticism. Think he is a big part of our success when playing well.

Cmon now, if Myles was this team you would not be hoping the knicks traded him for mitch...

The only reason mitch gets love around here is because we drafted him and his contract is peanuts.

I can think of 28 centers in this league that would be a better fit on this roster in this system than MR

I'll judge their stats on the NBA basketball court too.

I'd love to see your "28 Centers".

Clean wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:■ Myles Turner has season highs of 13 and 15 rebounds.

Mitchell Robinson has season highs of 17 and 18 rebounds.

■ Myles Turner has a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.5.

Mitchell Robinson has a Player Efficiency Rating of 19.7.

■ Myles Turner has season highs of 4 and 4 blocked shots.

Mitchell Robinson has season highs of 5 and 5 blocked shots.

Basketball is more than just scoring especially for Centers and I'd much rather sign Mitchell Robinson long term and continue watching him develop (2-3 years younger than Turner) rather than trading for Turner. A player who does NOT impact more than Robinson.

I think most people want Turner because of the fit. Our centers defender can help on Randle which is bad. That would not be the case with Turner because you have to respect his shot. Every NBA team is trying to get a stretch 5 for spacing. This is not a new concept.

Yep its about fit. He opens up the floor for Randle Offensivly. You can play small without giving up size

NYKMentality wrote:When has Turner ever made the leap?

He's now in his 7th season and he's never once improved his game.

His statistical numbers of production of years 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and now year 7 are identical. They've stayed exactly the same. He's never once improved his abilities as a basketball player.

He's never made it out of the 1st round.

He's had 5 1st round eliminations.

He's been swept in the 1st round (3x).

And failed to lead Indiana to the playoffs last year.

☆ 6 years in the league (now 7th season).
☆ 5 1st round exits.
☆ And failed to make the playoffs last year.

What has this overrated Myles Turner ever done for Indiana that makes you Knicks fans want to A.) Trade the farm for him in a trade and B.) End up paying him big time $money$?

You guys would've ran Turner out of NY 4-5 seasons ago and would've attacked him more than you did Julius Randle while getting eliminated 1st round vs. Atlanta last year.

I said what I said and I meant what I said.

Tonight @ NY?

Myles Turner =
32 Minutes.
Only 5 Points.
7 rebounds.
1 assist.
0/2 from 3 (some "deadly 3 point shooting Center" he is).

Yup.
Right.
Lets trade for the most overrated Center in the league.

🤣😁😂