JrZyHuStLa wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:You know what's interesting?

None of these guys are in the top 23 under age 23.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ca.nba.com/amp/news/23-under-23-ranking-the-nbas-next-generation-luka-doncic-lamelo-ball-jayson-tatum/8l4hu8xskdwd1hryrf21if41u

Your favorite Trae young and Luka Doncic are doing an AWFUL job @ leading their teams to wins this year.

And so are a lot of other players listed on that list.

So what's your point?

That none of our guys are on this list lol.

RJ Barret is #16 on the list you linked. Did you even read the link or are you just here to spread your usual Knicks hate for the holiday season?

Yup and now would clearly be left off of any updated lists.

Major regression.

@ 21 years old he's actually one of the younger players on that list.

And a lot of other players on that list would be completely removed due to A.) Injury. B.) Regression and C.) Their teams ABSOLUTELY stinking.

And major regression?
Only 25 games in?

Funny.

Because during his last 3 games (before getting hit with covid) he combined for 70 points (23.3 points per game) along with 12/20 from 3 (.600%).

But yet you're talking about "major regression"?

Unbelievable. Get real dude. He's freaking 21 years old.

Why are you repeatedly fixated on his last 3 games when you can use a much larger body of work by comparing all of last season vs a quarter of this season?

Is it because that will tell you he has been awful this year?

Dude. You're so CLUELESS about R.J. Barrett to the point that you didn't even realize he was on the list that you linked and posted.

I'm fixated on his last 3 games because they were awesome performances while he combined for 70 points and 12/20 from 3.

He's also only 21 years old and one of the YOUNGEST PLAYERS ON THAT LIST YOU POSTED 😅

RJ has statistically been worse. His age is irrelevant.

You're basically saying because he's 21 he can regress. Some 21 year Olds just keep getting better.

Your boy isn't.

Just man up about it.

You telling people to "man-up" might just be one of the funniest things I've read on this board. Is RJ on your linked list or not? We all know you're a hater who mostly posts when things are not good and disappeared when things went well last season. Not to worry though, if RJ performs well the remaining 3/4 of this season, I expect you'll slink away instead of ya know...."manning up".

You the forum attendance monitor ?

You surely need a real job my friend.

A) Already have a job, but thanks for asking. I'm a biotechnologist in Pharma development. Currwntly working on immuno-oncology, CAR-T and Lipid nano particle therapies. Apologies for all the big words - but at least you might be able to look them up on your google machine, that is as long as mom's wifi reaches her basement.

B) I'm not your friend and probably never will be.

C) I'm certainly not the board monitor. But if you're gonna blatently lie in a post and then double down on it, you deserve to be called out.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

ToddTT wrote:This thread is awesome.

They just eat it up all the time, I love it.

Because you're a troll.

Oh I'm sorry.

I mean a "hustla".

How old are you dude? 13?

Can't WAIT for both of Deuce McBride and Immanuel Quickley to return to action.

This young core is going to become A+ special.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

ToddTT wrote:This thread is awesome.

They just eat it up all the time, I love it.

JMO but overt trolls like you ruin what is a pretty solid Knicks discussion board for everyone.

WOODMANnYk wrote:There are a lot of talent on that list of young Knicks but the coaching staff and FO needs to put these kids in spots where they can succeed and excel.. When you add Kemba, a scoring pg and Fournier who needs the ball in order to score in ryhthm, Barrett will be taking a backseat but hopefully it doesnt stop his overall growth and development. Bobby Huggins did a great job with Deuce in college so he will play a solid role with this team especially in the defensive end. Grimes will become a 2 way player. As for Toppin, I dont think he'll ever become a starter in this league. Quickley reminds me of a young jamal crawford and will be an effective 6th man off the bench.. Sims will be the sleeper of that draft class and MitchRob needs to play smarter basketball. Sometimes, he makes these bonedheaded plays which gets him in foul woes. Only 23 but he needs to stay healthy and play consistent basketball. Knicks got soemthing good here.. Let's just hope they dont go into a knee jerk reaction mode and package some of these young talent for someone not worth it.. Lastly, They should be playing Knox more minutes, at 22 yrs old, i think he gets it now.. In order for us to know, he needs to be on the court during games...

Good post man but I strongly disagree about Obi Toppin not ever becoming a starter in this league.

His athleticism is unreal. It's absolutely freakish. And his ability to move without the ball with cuts is electricity. He reminds me so much of Amare Stoudemire.

His leap from year 1 as a rookie last year to year two this season is also very promising (moving forward). Just look at his per 36 minutes.

PER 36.

ROOKIE = 13.3 points, 7.3 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 0.8 blocks and a FG% of .498%.

2nd year = 19.8 points, 8.9 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.3 blocks and a FG% of .531%.

Amare Stoudemire 2nd year PER 36 =

20.1 points, 8.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.2 blocks and a FG% of .475%.

Those 2nd year per 36 numbers between Stoudemire vs. Toppin are DAMN NEAR IDENTICAL!

His FT shooting has also improved too. .731% as a Rookie and now .804% as a 2nd year kid this year.

■ And most importantly his Player Efficiency Rating has sky rocketed from 12.7 as a Rookie to 20.1 this year.

If he can improve his 3PT shot he's going to develop into an absolute STAR.

Not even a young 2nd year Amare Stoudemire had a Player Efficiency Rating of 20.1 as a 2nd year kid (he had a 19.8.

Obi Toppin is special man.

ToddTT wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

ToddTT wrote:This thread is awesome.

They just eat it up all the time, I love it.

JMO but overt trolls like you ruin what is a pretty solid Knicks discussion board for everyone.

+1

BTW, you can go to your profile settings and make them vanish.

NYKMentality wrote:

Kemet wrote:These five are rotation KEEPERS .....
Deuce McBride = 21 years old.
Quentin Grimes = 21 years old.
Immanuel Quickley = 22 years old.
Obi Toppin = 23 years old.
Mitchell Robinson = 23 years old.

Sims maybe Raw, but the player we need throughout a season to come in for any big men injuries.
I would've like to see Knox in a steady lineup for 18 min a game .. something the Knicks never gave him.

Come on man.

How can you leave out R.J. Barrett?!?!?

He's I believe the youngest (of them all) and has already shown NBA flashes of two way player;

And you're leaving him out of the rotation @ only 21 years of age?

After the Knicks 1-4 post-season performance vs the Hawks ....
I would've traded RJ Barrett for a top 15 pick in the 2021 offseason NBA Draft.
I'm just hoping the Knicks got RJ Barrett on the trade-table in the 2 to 4 team trade for Ben Simmons.
There's no place for RJ Barrett on the Knicks!
Barrett having no passing skills, and a very low b.ball IQ on both sides of the court says, Barrett's not a NBA starter, plus Barrett doesn't have any chemistry with the Knicks ball-movement 2nd unit players D.Rose, Quickley, and Obi.

I watch 3 seasons of RJ Barrett performance in the NBA, and a few games at Duke.
Barrett's talent has been poor at the SG & SF position.
All of the Zion publicity at Duke making Zion the number 1 pick in the NBA draft, 10% of ZION publicity fell towards RJ Barrett & Reddish in one of the poorest NBA draft class, which made poor scouting teams believe RJ Barrett was a 3rd pick, instead of a 30th pick in a regular draft class.

Kemet wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Kemet wrote:These five are rotation KEEPERS .....
Deuce McBride = 21 years old.
Quentin Grimes = 21 years old.
Immanuel Quickley = 22 years old.
Obi Toppin = 23 years old.
Mitchell Robinson = 23 years old.

Sims maybe Raw, but the player we need throughout a season to come in for any big men injuries.
I would've like to see Knox in a steady lineup for 18 min a game .. something the Knicks never gave him.

Come on man.

How can you leave out R.J. Barrett?!?!?

He's I believe the youngest (of them all) and has already shown NBA flashes of two way player;

And you're leaving him out of the rotation @ only 21 years of age?

After the Knicks 1-4 post-season performance vs the Hawks ....
I would've traded RJ Barrett for a top 15 pick in the 2021 offseason NBA Draft.
I'm just hoping the Knicks got RJ Barrett on the trade-table in the 2 to 4 team trade for Ben Simmons.
There's no place for RJ Barrett on the Knicks!
Barrett having no passing skills, and a very low b.ball IQ on both sides of the court says, Barrett's not a NBA starter, plus Barrett doesn't have any chemistry with the Knicks ball-movement 2nd unit players D.Rose, Quickley, and Obi.

I watch 3 seasons of RJ Barrett performance in the NBA, and a few games at Duke.
Barrett's talent has been poor at the SG & SF position.
All of the Zion publicity at Duke making Zion the number 1 pick in the NBA draft, 10% of ZION publicity fell towards RJ Barrett & Reddish in one of the poorest NBA draft class, which made poor scouting teams believe RJ Barrett was a 3rd pick, instead of a 30th pick in a regular draft class.

RJ, the third overall pick who averaged 17 and 7 last year for a top 15 pick? Wow that’s phenomenal value!

blkexec wrote:Not sure if this has already been said, but to me Grimes is better than EF. Let’s talk offense first. U can say Grimes might be a better shooter. He reminds me of Allan Houston, how he can get hot quick. But to reduce argument sake, let’s say it’s a tie as far as offense. Defense? Do we even have to compare this? It’s actually laughable how much better grimes is vs EF.

I think Kemba has played his way into keeping his starting roll for now. And EF was my ideal candidate to be moved to the bench anyway. Now I think he’s a good trade piece. This is the only time EF will get all this playing time. And he has shown he can still light it up.

But if grimes takes his minutes, we will not see any drop offs in team performance. If anything it should be neutral or better. If neutral, I still trade EF. Gives grimes and others more playing time to learn and grow from their mistakes, during real nba action. Thoughts?

Make it happen Rose. Thibs is already on record talking highly of grimes and his defense, along with McBride and sims, in a recent article on the homepage. After grimes made 5 threes, thibs only talked about his defense alone is great and a much needed energy on defense, especially with a starting PG like Kemba. U should never have 2 defensive liabilities as your starting back court or 1st line of defense. Now that Burks is on the second unit, time to move grimes up and EF down.

100%. I think the Knicks will wait til Fournier is out for COIVD protocol to move Grimes to starting spot or have major minutes as his replacement (Burks will prob start in place of Fournier).

I think the Knicks will pursue a major trade, have to see how things shake out.