MS wrote:I don’t make a move for any of there players. Sabonis is special, but he’s not getting this team to the next level.

I would stay away from panicked moves.

Keep the young guys we have good veterans that can keep helping them get better. Fournier is a tough one right now because he doesn’t fit with the team and Burks is probably a better player.

Something like Fournier, Mitch, the Cha pick (likely to be converted to a 2nd rounder) and the Dallas pick might make sense for NY but doesnt do much for Indy. If we had an expiring deal maybe that works but we dont really have much to match Turner's salary.

He's slightly more valuable (younger) than a Marcus Morris type. Friendly contract and middle first rounder is what Turner is worth. If the Pacers think he's getting some haul back good luck with that

Right now, we are a superstar away from being elite. We have the complimentary players. We need a Lillard type player and we will be top 5 in the league. Any chance we can pry Beal from Washington?

NYKBocker wrote:The only player I like in their roster is Sabonis. I think it would be a lateral move to exchange Randle and Sabonis. Unless, the plan is to start Obi.

Right now, we are a superstar away from being elite. We have the complimentary players. We need a Lillard type player and we will be top 5 in the league. Any chance we can pry Beal from Washington?

Big pass on Lillard. He’s going to be another Kemba for us except with a huge contract

Sabonis is 25. He can play the 3 and coexist with Randle and Obi

fishmike wrote:Also people Myles Turner is NOT a great player. He's OK. He totally disappears at times. He's not a high motor guy. He's very average at a lot of things and has pretty much been the same player since coming into the league.

People thinking that Turner is going to move the needle and worth trading picks and kids for are going to be very disappointed. He's a nice role player.

I agree. We tend to over value other players, just because they are 1 of many to have career games against us. But look at all the players that killed us or had career years against us this season, their next few games were trash. So be careful, some players turn up, based on the team they are playing or the city. when a player is labeled to have a slow motor (aka Knox). Thats usually a sign (I say usually becasue Tmac had that label and he turned out great).

With that said, Turner will spread the floor, because he's known to be a 3pt threat. And he will instantly be our best shooting forward on the team. I just wouldn't over pay for him. I agree, he's a solid role player. Same with sabonis (who by the way, can also shoot from 3). But it's more about fit than talent. And sometimes a player may be a better fit for us, and terrible fit for others, regardless of talent. Gary Payton Jr was a journey man. He's now 29 I believe. Played on many different teams. Now in GS, he's a nice fit. So fit and chemistry is important. And when you have a coach that lacks offensive creativity, sometimes it's better to have a system guy like Sabonis, at the PF spot. Or a system guy like Turner, waiting for that 3pt shot. Sometimes when you don't have a solid offensive system (like most defensive coaches) adding system type players should not be looked at as a bad thing, but rather a good thing that should help thibs and the team. It might be something we need. We already have guys that play in a free flowing style, like Obi, IQ or even Burks. But some players need that structure or system to succeed (EF).

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:Also people Myles Turner is NOT a great player. He's OK. He totally disappears at times. He's not a high motor guy. He's very average at a lot of things and has pretty much been the same player since coming into the league.

People thinking that Turner is going to move the needle and worth trading picks and kids for are going to be very disappointed. He's a nice role player.

I agree. We tend to over value other players, just because they are 1 of many to have career games against us. But look at all the players that killed us or had career years against us this season, their next few games were trash. So be careful, some players turn up, based on the team they are playing or the city. when a player is labeled to have a slow motor (aka Knox). Thats usually a sign (I say usually becasue Tmac had that label and he turned out great).

With that said, Turner will spread the floor, because he's known to be a 3pt threat. And he will instantly be our best shooting forward on the team. I just wouldn't over pay for him. I agree, he's a solid role player. Same with sabonis (who by the way, can also shoot from 3). But it's more about fit than talent. And sometimes a player may be a better fit for us, and terrible fit for others, regardless of talent. Gary Payton Jr was a journey man. He's now 29 I believe. Played on many different teams. Now in GS, he's a nice fit. So fit and chemistry is important. And when you have a coach that lacks offensive creativity, sometimes it's better to have a system guy like Sabonis, at the PF spot. Or a system guy like Turner, waiting for that 3pt shot. Sometimes when you don't have a solid offensive system (like most defensive coaches) adding system type players should not be looked at as a bad thing, but rather a good thing that should help thibs and the team. It might be something we need. We already have guys that play in a free flowing style, like Obi, IQ or even Burks. But some players need that structure or system to succeed (EF).

Turner has been an OK shooter for his career, but he's really turned it up this year. But it's good to question ow much of an impact he'd have. Realistically, how many more wins would he have over the course of the season? I don't know.

Shaq playing in Phils triangle he was a beast

Shaq playing in MDA's 7 sec system he was not a beast.

Shawn Marion played some center in MDA's system and was pretty good, he wouldn't be able to do that anywhere else.

As much as i see Turner as a better fit with Randle, im not so sure he would have any success in thibs system

Kemet wrote:The only player on the Pacers the Knicks desperately need are .. Brogdan!
Brogdan could help D.Rose & Quickley keep the ball out of dribble-dribble Randles hands in the rotation.

Is Turner even better than Brook Lopez?